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What is the difference between 'Fake News' and 'Political Spin'?


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    Is Trump simply re-branding Political Spin as Fake News when he doesn't like the spin or the facts?

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    In Trump's case, an impeachment means a coup, that message is designed to go out to his right wing followers, and to political opponents, it's spin.

    By now, most Americans except Trump followers are able to discern fact from fiction, real news from fake news. Most liberals, progressives and democrat voters view just about everything he says as bullshit. IMHO, the best source for accurate journalism is PBS.

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    On Monday, Trump suggested that the United States should form a state-run global news network "to counter CNN's unfair coverage. Apparently, he does not feel that FOX (which is already the same as state-run television) isn't supportive enough.

    The network has already "retired" Shep Smith. Could Chris Wallace be next?

    It's no secret that Sean Hannity has had discussions with RT about doing a show on the Russian network, which means that we already HAVE the equivalent of state-run television.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-suggests-us-should-form-state-run-global-news-network-2018-11?fbclid=IwAR1vISJKE2i3GohwZ9j3z9RlbjOUEqHrwYfnZZX8b6mxVR1_yi8iCTKM-z8

    Besides, Trump already has Trump TV, which he established in 2004.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Productions

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    Since this is Sunday, you would think that Trump would take a day off from tweeting, and do something constructive.

    Nope. That's just not him.

    This is what he had to say today:

    "The New York Times is an embarrassment to journalism. They were a dead paper before I went into politics, and they will be a dead paper when I leave, which will be in 5 years. Fake News is the Enemy of the people!

    https://bipartisanreport.com/2020/03/08/trump-tweets-ny-times-is-dead-people-revolt-instantly/

    The best response to his nonsense came from Timothy Ferris, who posted this:

    "COCKWOMBLE: A PERSON, USUALLY MALE, PRONE TO MAKING OUTRAGEOUSLY STUPID STATEMENTS AND/OR INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR WHILE GENERALLY HAVING A VERY HIGH OPINION OF THEIR OWN WISDOM AND IMPORTANCE.’

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    I guess the next newspaper will be the "Moscow Herald" or the "Kim Special" just wait, Putin will tell him how to do it just before the elections.
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    I fake story was circulating that Joe Biden stuck a gun in a woman's mouth in Wisconsin. Ridiculous and as absurd as it sounds, people might actually believe fake news and stories such as this.

    politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/06/f...

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    If you could only use two words to describe Trump, they would have to be "petty" and "vindictive".

    A White House official ordered a CNN reporter to give up her front-row seat and move to the back of the press room before President Trump’s briefing on Friday, in what appears to be another attempt by Trump to punish a network he calls “fake news."

    The reporter, CNN White House correspondent Kaitlan Collins, refused to move, as did a second reporter whose seat in the rear of the room she was ordered to take. The official then suggested the matter would be resolved by the Secret Service, though no action was taken, according to several people involved in the episode.

    Network reporters, including those from CNN, have assigned seats at the front of the briefing room, under a plan managed by the White House Correspondents’ Association (WHCA) and agreed to by White House officials last month. The agreement reduced the number of reporters in the briefing room to meet social distancing requirements.

    The White House’s latest effort to reorder the briefing room came after a brief verbal clash between Collins and Trump during the televised briefing on Thursday.

    “No, that’s enough,” he said, adding. “The problem is, you don’t write the truth.” Collins continued to press, but Trump replied, “No, not CNN. I told you, CNN is fake news. Don’t talk to me.”

    Over the WHCA’s objections and in violation of social distancing measures, the president earlier this month gave preferential access to a reporter from the One America News Network. The small cable network has a history of favoring Trump in its reporting.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-white-house-tried-to-move-a-reporter-to-the-back-of-the-press-room-but-she-refused-then-trump-walked-out/2020/04/25/a5d16cc6-8714-11ea-ae26-989cfce1c7c7_story.html

    One America News Network (OANN), also known as One America News (OAN), is a conservative, far-right news and opinion channel owned by Herring Networks, Inc., launched on July 4, 2013. The network is headquartered in San Diego, California, and operates news bureaus in Washington, D.C. and New York City.

    The channel targets a conservative and right-of-center audience Its prime time political talk shows have a conservative perspective, and the channel regularly features pro-Donald Trump stories The channel has been noted for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network

    In comments on CNN last night, Jim Acosta called the White House’s tactics on the seating issue “Soviet-style [and] totalitarian-like.” He said it took “almost an act of civil disobedience [by Collins and Johnson] to foil the White House’s plans.”


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    Voice of America (VOA) is a state-controlled international television and radio network funded by the U.S. federal tax budget. It is the largest U.S. international broadcaster. VOA produces digital, TV, and radio content in 47 languages which it distributes to affiliate stations around the globe. It is primarily viewed by foreign audiences, so VOA programming has an influence on public opinion abroad regarding the United States and its people.[1]

    VOA was established in 1942 and the VOA charter (Public Laws 94-350 and 103-415) was signed into law in 1976 by President Gerald Ford.

    VOA is headquartered in Washington, D.C., and overseen by the U.S. Agency for Global Media, an independent agency of the U.S. government Funds are appropriated annually by Congress under the budget for embassies and consulates. In 2016, VOA broadcast an estimated 1,800 hours of radio and TV programming each week to approximately 236.6 million people worldwide with about 1,050 employees and a taxpayer-funded annual budget of US$218.5 million

    Some commentators consider Voice of America to be a form of propaganda.[6][7]

    In response to the request of the United States Department of Justice that RT register as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, Russia's Justice Ministry labeled Voice of America and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty as foreign agents in December 2017.

    And now, Trump has screwed it up.

    One of the more overtly radical actions undertaken by Team Trump this last year has been the attempted reformation of Voice of America and its parent agency, the U.S. Agency of Global Media (USAGM), into a partisan-led pro-Trump propaganda bucket. To this end, new Trump-selected USAGM Chief Michael Pack and subordinates have been mounting numerous inquiries aimed at pushing out Voice of America employees deemed insufficiently supportive of Dear Leader, including Voice of America White House Bureau Chief Steve Herman. Pack, a Steve Bannon associate described as "paranoid" in his hunt for anti-Trump witches among the agency's reporters, was put into the position to do exactly that.

    There is, however, a problem: The purge of insufficiently Trump-loyal reporters technically is a huge violation of the agency's own rules and regulations, which required a "firewall" between the agency's political appointees and USAGM's federally run news agencies to prevent exactly the kind of partisan vengeance-seeking and hackery Pack is engaged in.

    In September, agency whistleblowers stepped forward to file a claim with the State Department inspector general charging him with violating those rules. Now Pack is responding to those complaints.

    His response? Michael Pack has unilaterally rescinded the "firewall" rule. As of this Monday, Pack says, it no longer exists.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/28/1990134/-Caught-repeatedly-violating-firewall-rule-Trump-s-Voice-of-America-head-rescinds-it-entirely?detail=emaildkre

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    I only hope that the "world" around us realize what has happened. I think so, reading the overseas news. However in the Netherlands a lot of people still have the idea that the US is still trust worthy. In NATO they've got the picture and "keep their cool". Anyway : How many more "holes" is Trump digging to make this an "paria" country? It does no longer even help their own people in CA with the "fires". Let alone Puerto Rico.

    Let's hope that he gets kicked out fast; but I still have my doubts if this actually will happen.

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    An interesting question. Spin is claiming something says what you want. There may be varying amounts of truth in a spin. Fake News as employed by the asshat-in-chief is much more dangerous. The term itself is an attack on democratic institutions. The whiny little brat that he is understands this and flat out does not care. That many on the right believe his gibberish nonsense underscores the danger to democracy. The unwillingness to actually dig into political issues by far too many allows for charlatans like Trump to surface. Imo, not a single one of the Republican candidates before the 2016 general election would have beaten Hillary. All of them were deeply flawed with minimal nationwide appeal. Trump’s emergence points out the advancement of ignorance in a country with a strong streak of anti-intellectualism combined with rigid belief in untrue civic mythology. The destruction of the media, the press, contributes to this.
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Voice of America (VOA) is a state-controlled international television and radio network funded by the U.S. federal tax budget. It is the largest U.S. international broadcaster. VOA produces digital, TV, and radio content in 47 languages which it distributes to affiliate stations around the globe. It is primarily viewed by foreign audiences, so VOA programming has an influence on public opinion abroad regarding the United States and its people.[1]

    VOA was established in 1942 and the VOA charter (Public Laws 94-350 and 103-415) was signed into law in 1976 by President Gerald Ford.

    VOA is headquartered in Washington, D.C., and overseen by the U.S. Agency for Global Media, an independent agency of the U.S. government Funds are appropriated annually by Congress under the budget for embassies and consulates. In 2016, VOA broadcast an estimated 1,800 hours of radio and TV programming each week to approximately 236.6 million people worldwide with about 1,050 employees and a taxpayer-funded annual budget of US$218.5 million

    Some commentators consider Voice of America to be a form of propaganda.[6][7]

    In response to the request of the United States Department of Justice that RT register as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, Russia's Justice Ministry labeled Voice of America and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty as foreign agents in December 2017.

    And now, Trump has screwed it up.

    One of the more overtly radical actions undertaken by Team Trump this last year has been the attempted reformation of Voice of America and its parent agency, the U.S. Agency of Global Media (USAGM), into a partisan-led pro-Trump propaganda bucket. To this end, new Trump-selected USAGM Chief Michael Pack and subordinates have been mounting numerous inquiries aimed at pushing out Voice of America employees deemed insufficiently supportive of Dear Leader, including Voice of America White House Bureau Chief Steve Herman. Pack, a Steve Bannon associate described as "paranoid" in his hunt for anti-Trump witches among the agency's reporters, was put into the position to do exactly that.

    There is, however, a problem: The purge of insufficiently Trump-loyal reporters technically is a huge violation of the agency's own rules and regulations, which required a "firewall" between the agency's political appointees and USAGM's federally run news agencies to prevent exactly the kind of partisan vengeance-seeking and hackery Pack is engaged in.

    In September, agency whistleblowers stepped forward to file a claim with the State Department inspector general charging him with violating those rules. Now Pack is responding to those complaints.

    His response? Michael Pack has unilaterally rescinded the "firewall" rule. As of this Monday, Pack says, it no longer exists.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/28/1990134/-Caught-repeatedly-violating-firewall-rule-Trump-s-Voice-of-America-head-rescinds-it-entirely?detail=emaildkre

    A federal judge in the United States has effectively barred the head of the agency that runs the state-funded news organization Voice of America (VOA) from interfering in editorial operations or making personnel decisions.

    The ruling against US Agency for Global Media (USAGM) CEO Michael Pack comes after he was accused of trying to turn VOA into a propaganda outlet in support of Donald Trump and the US president’s agenda.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/21/judge-bars-trump-appointee-from-interfering-in-voice-of-america

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    Let's hope Biden does "something" about "free speech" in the "media". There should be"limits" to that as other civil countries do. Media should be giving un-partial "news/information" but should refrain from playing uncalled for "politics" as a sideline. The "truth" factor should be "checked" all the time. Like FOX News; their license should have been revoked a long time ago, because such creates the "cult" we have now. Then the question arises how can we get rid of this without bloodshed. "Prevention" always works better than "eradication".
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    In a sign that sanity is starting to return to our country, both CNN and MSNBC beat FOX in monthly viewers for the first time since 1999.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cnn-msnbc-beat-fox-news-in-monthly-viewers-for-first-time-since-1999-01612319591

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    Lately, examples of fake news has been appearing on every tab I open using MS edge browser, like dog drives owner's car into garage door and survives the crash, Donald Trump will be reinstated as our president, Mitch McConnell lays down for democrats, do this or that to lose weight....blah, blah, blah

    this is frustrating for me because I like reading about current events and REAL NEWS, not this fake BS.

    I've found lately that MS edge has really infected my PC with nothing but bullshit. I might begin using firefox. I've found the true meaning of MS, and it doesn't stand for Micro Soft.

    It's especially bad when MS tracks your shopping habits, I hate that, and I have done what I can to try to prevent MS from tracking me, but nothing seems to work, and it pisses me off.

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    Trump's letter of today showed that he was shocked that YouTube has temporarily suspended RSBN (Right Side Broadcasting Network).

    RSBN was started in 2015 in order to broadcast Trump's rallies. As of January 2022, RSBN's channel has over 1.54 million subscribers and has received 235 million total views, which proves that there are a lot of gullible people in this country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Side_Broadcasting_Network

    The reason that YouTube suspended RSBN is due to the fact that the company violated YouTube's election integrity policy, which "prohibits content that advances false claims that widespread fraud changed the outcome of the 2020 U.S. presidential election."

    Due to wide-spread misinformation about COVID, YouTube also had to institute penalties for passing on false information about COVID.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/technology/pro-trump-youtube-channel-suspended-due-to-election-misinformation