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Trump Strong arms Ukraine to investiage Biden

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    The name of whistle blower is already been leaked, at least to MSNBC, but MSNBC will not name the person.

    My bets are on Trump or Giuliani. Knowing how Trump works, he probably leaked it to Giuliani with the unspoken expectation (See Micheal Cohen's testimony) that Giuliani makes sure the whistle blower life get's ruined. Trump has always about pay back (see Republican party), and payback is about endless harassment.

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    Notice how quickly the WH turned over everything after this got into the media? They clearly could have used "Executive Privilege" and stone walled for several more mouths as they have been doing.

    Here is why I think the WH released nearly everything.

    1) It would be Watergate all over again. President tries to cover up a crime he directly was involved with. Guaranteed to be forced out office in disgrace. SC would never rule in his favor based on the evidence already released.

    2) There would have been one or more Deep Throats releasing intel about Trump's other back door deals with foreign leaders. Got to wonder what deals he has made with Putin and Kim Jong-un.

    2) If there are even greater crimes that have not yet been discovered, it always best to freely expose your lesser crimes, so that the LIFE SENTENCE crimes never see the light of day. In Trump's case, he doesn't want his business practices to be exposed. He'd resign immediately if had to chose between being president and Trump Inc.

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    Maguire is a "do it by the books guy" one of those civil servants who survive by just following the rules. His military background reinforces that character...just follow orders and don't embarrass the "higher ups". It is astounding that he would refer the whistleblowers charges to the very people who might be implicated in the charges, even giving Trump and his cronies the opportunity to claim "executive privilege". He claims he had no other choice (just following the rules) and furthermore, had not Trump himself acted to make the phone call public, he would not have acted.

    I don't know what transpired in Trump's brain to remove the secrecy and make the call transcript public, but everyone knows he doesn't like to read, and maybe his memory of what was in the transcript jived more with his false reality than the truth. Ha. He repeats his lies so often that he himself begins to believe them. Just saying...

    In any case, the late night comedians are enjoying it. As one said after reading the transcript, "only an idiot would release that self incriminating transcript." Yes....

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    A recently resurfaced letter written by a bipartisan group of Senators in 2016, however, demonstrates that Joe Biden’s efforts to root out corruption in Ukraine’s prosecutor general’s office and judiciary were emphatically supported by Republican Senators at the time, according to a report on CNN.

    The letter was sent by the Senate Ukraine Caucus and signed by Senators Rob Portman (R-OH), Mark Kirk (R-IL), Ron Johnson (R-WI), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), Chris Murphy (D-CT), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) and urged then-Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.”

    Despite abundant evidence that Biden’s actions were consistent with U.S. State Department policy and his efforts at removing a corrupt prosecutor were simultaneously being mirrored by diplomats from our European allies at the time, Trump continues to portray the former Vice President’s involvement in Ukraine diplomacy as a shady and illegal endeavor.

    In fact, there is no evidence whatsoever that either Joe or Hunter Biden committed any crimes, nor is it clear if Hunter was under any sort of investigation by Ukrainian officials at all.

    https://occupydemocrats.com/2019/10/03/trumps-biden-ukraine-conspiracy-falls-apart-as-2016-letter-signed-by-gop-senators-resurfaces/

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I don't know what transpired in Trump's brain to remove the secrecy and make the call transcript public, but everyone knows he doesn't like to read, and maybe his memory of what was in the transcript jived more with his false reality than the truth. Ha. He repeats his lies so often that he himself begins to believe them. Just saying...

    In any case, the late night comedians are enjoying it. As one said after reading the transcript, "only an idiot would release that self incriminating transcript." Yes....

    Trump is functionally insane. This more-or-less means he his perception of reality\events can be medically classified as being legally insane, but he is still able to function within many of the norms expected by society. When he looks in the mirror, he very likely see's a reflection of 25 year old man. When he rationalize his own behavior, his rationalization become his reality that he expects everyone else to accept. If the facts don't support his reality, then those facts must be 100% false. He only accepts facts that support his version of reality.

    Let take a basic example. As president Trump will never be charged with a federal crime. In Trump's perception of reality this means he is free to do\say anything and everything he wants because he is not required to follow any laws. "I can't be charged with a crime, therefore I don't have to follow laws".

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    Trump is a criminal that is constantly exposing himself. In this specific case, he is not following obvious criminal protocol 101 of don't identify specific targets when on the phone (EVER!). Be vague, hint, talk between the lines, etc. Let someone (Rudy Giuliani )else communicate the details in person on his behalf.

    If Trump had not said "Joe Biden" while on the phone, everything would have gone as he had planned (or close enough): Ukraine officially proceeds to charge Joe Biden with crimes, then requests the US to arrest and extricate Bidden to the Ukraine. Barr decides to honor Ukraine request and pressures the FBI to arrest Biden, but Biden fights the extrication in the US Courts. Bottom-line Biden is forced to drop out race for the democratic nomination..... This is the reality Trump wanted to see happen, but he alone totally fucks up a perfectly good criminal plan to take down Joe Biden. Putin wouldn't have screwed it up because its so,so, simple, just don't ever speak the name "Joe Biden" and let others deliver the message and carry out the plan. How hard is that? Too hard for inept criminal like Trump. Nobody should hire Trump to execute any criminal plan.

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    I don't see Biden as an "threat" to Trump; he's too old to run and his "fund" raising is faltering. There is still just about an year to go, thus anything can happen, like Bernie getting an heart attack etc. But yeah Trump is even scared of an "mouse". So he attacks anything in his way. We'll wait and see; my "cristal ball" is "kaput"; so I can't predict the outcome of this "circus" anyway.
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    Dutch Wrote: I don't see Biden as an "threat" to Trump; he's too old to run and his "fund" raising is faltering. There is still just about an year to go, thus anything can happen, like Bernie getting an heart attack etc. But yeah Trump is even scared of an "mouse". So he attacks anything in his way. We'll wait and see; my "cristal ball" is "kaput"; so I can't predict the outcome of this "circus" anyway.

    The threat to Trump is that many voters who voted for Trump in 2016 truly like Biden and would consider voting for Biden in 2020. Those same voters are unlikely to switch to any of the other democratic candidates (Sanders, Warren, etc), so Trump feels much more secure facing off against them. However, if Trump's base starts weaken because of Biden, so goes the entire Republican party, and a huge democratic sweep in 2020, taking the WH, The Senate, and the House.

    If Trump tries his hardcore tactics on Biden of constantly bashing him day after day, Trump's base is likely to get fed up with Trump's bombastic attacks on someone (Biden) they consider to be a decent\fair guy, someone who talks to them using language they can related too. Trump wants a democratic candidate that his base hates, he wants another HC, not someone who his bases consider to be decent guy. Trump's #1 campaign fear is having Joe Biden doing rallies in red states. I bet Trump has nightmares about Joe Biden having rallies, stealing all Trump's thunder. Imagine Biden have a rally that has over 10K people show up, and then Trump has a rally the following week with only 2-3K show up. Trump would flip out.

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    The legal team for the Ukrainian whistle blower now has a SECOND whistle blower related to the scandal. The second individual has more direct knowledge of Mr. Trump’s dealings with Ukraine than the first whistle-blower, and who had grown alarmed by the president’s behavior, was weighing whether to come forward. The second official was among those interviewed by the intelligence community inspector general to corroborate the allegations of the original whistle-blower, one of the people briefed on the matter said.

    One member of the legal team confirmed on Twitter that the firm was now representing “multiple whistle blowers” but declined to say how many.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/us/politics/second-whistleblower-trump-ukraine.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

    On top of that, a whistle blower in the IRS has expressed concert about the lack of audits on the taxes of Trump and Pence.

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    Arizona, don't you think the whole thing is an "circus" which will go on for quite a while? I think a lot can happen until the actual elections. Trump and his cronies will do anything in their power to disrupt all of this; thus let the "party" begin.

    I still fear that the Senate will disrupt everything in the end. So any effort now will be wasted energy. How to "purge" the Senate? I don't have a clue.

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    The latest: It seems now that Trump and his "cronies" got their "fingers" into the Ukrainian "natural gas" business.

    As usual Trump will make sure he's "rewarded" as with everything he touches. However this "naive" country still does not want to see, that Trump's only goal is to get "money" for himself via every means. Like the kickbacks from the "wall" or other endeavors like this one in the Ukraine.

    Wake up America; this "corrupt" President is filling his own pockets via whatever means, not yours.

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    The legal team for the Ukrainian whistle blower now has a SECOND whistle blower related to the scandal. The second individual has more direct knowledge of Mr. Trump’s dealings with Ukraine than the first whistle-blower, and who had grown alarmed by the president’s behavior, was weighing whether to come forward. The second official was among those interviewed by the intelligence community inspector general to corroborate the allegations of the original whistle-blower, one of the people briefed on the matter said.

    One member of the legal team confirmed on Twitter that the firm was now representing “multiple whistle blowers” but declined to say how many.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/us/politics/second-whistleblower-trump-ukraine.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

    On top of that, a whistle blower in the IRS has expressed concert about the lack of audits on the taxes of Trump and Pence.

    Trump could line up 15 whistleblowers in a firing squad and kill them all, and the senate would probably say they had it coming.
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    Dockadams Wrote:Trump could line up 15 whistleblowers in a firing squad and kill them all, and the senate would probably say they had it coming.

    Trump's legal logic: "As president I can not be charged with any crimes, therefore I am free to do and say anything I want. I am not legally required to obey any laws. Sure, I can if I want; its my decision as president. I don't need to ask for permission; I just ask myself for permission. Its in the constitution, many people don't know that."

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    From this morning's Arizona Republic:

    WASHINGTON – Two Ukrainian born business partners, who showered Republican campaign committees with nearly $500,000 and dined with Donald Trump at the White House, were arrested late Wednesday on campaign finance charges as they tried to leave the country, federal authorities said Thursday.

    Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman helped Rudy Giuliani meet a Ukrainian prosecutor as the president’s personal lawyer pushed for an investigation into Trump’s political rival Joe Biden. Both of the men are among the prospective witnesses House Democrats want to question in their impeachment inquiry.

    The indictment charges Parnas, Fruman, David Correia and Andrey Kukushkin with federal campaign finance law violations. The charges relate to a $325,000 donation to a group supporting Trump’s reelection.

    It alleges they “conspired to circumvent the federal laws against foreign influence by engaging in a scheme to funnel foreign money to candidates for federal and state office so that the defendants could buy potential influence with candidates, campaigns and the candidates’ governments.”

    Parnas and Fruman had no significant history of political donations and “sought to advance their personal financial interests and the political interests of at least one Ukrainian government official with whom they were working,” the indictment charges. To hide their sources of funding and capital, Parnas and Fruman created a limited liability company called Global Energy Producers and “intentionally caused certain large contributions to be reported in the name of GEP instead of their own names,” the indictment says.

    The indictment alleges that Parnas, Fruman, Correia and Kukushkin schemed with an unidentified foreign national to get retail marijuana licenses in states, including Nevada. In 2018, Correia drafted a table of prospective political donations.

    The plan allegedly included two $500,000 transfers. The foreign national arranged for the funds to be wired from overseas accounts to a U.S. corporate bank account controlled by Fruman and another individual, the indictment charges.

    Giuliani said he couldn’t comment on the case and didn’t represent the men in campaign finance matters.

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    Also these guys were regular guests at Mar-a-Lago; there are pictures with Trumps son as well them standing besides Trump.

    They were dealers in drugs as well other shady deals. But Trump when asked said "I've never met these guys" while he's in the pictures. Sorry stupid people in this country, you elected an mafia mob boss, who never "worked" a day in his life and "pappy" fed him "millions" especially when he was in the shit.

    The stock market went up about 400 points today, because the idiot said China wants an "deal" and Brexit "looks" positive.

    I'm afraid that he may get an second term, because the idiots here only look at the job numbers and the economy; so if those are OK, then they don't care if there is an crook in the W.H. Amen