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    I won't bother to rehash what is already known. I just want to point out that Trump and his staff are using the same key phrase over and over "Investigate Joe Biden and his son for corruption"

    First point. Trump and his staff intentionally don't use Biden son's name "Hunter Biden" because it just confuses Trump's base to use two names, so they only use "Joe Biden". Trump's base simply hears "Joe Biden is involved in corruption". For Trump and his base, everything is KISS (Keep it simple stupid); 128 characters and at a 4th grade reading level. All Trump's political strategies are limited to one Tweet. Any thing longer is too complex for Trump and his base to handle.

    Second point. Joe Biden has never been involved with his son's businesses, so its extremely misleading to make the connection of corruption just because they are related. And Trump's base does not give a damn what happens outside the US boarders, so even for them this one is considered junk mail not worth opening.

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    Repetition, repetition, repetition. Look for Trump to repeat these charges again and again. It feeds his base, but also casts doubt with moderate "undecideds". Look for Biden's poll numbers to drop as a result. This is what Trump does. It works.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Repetition, repetition, repetition. Look for Trump to repeat these charges again and again. It feeds his base, but also casts doubt with moderate "undecideds". Look for Biden's poll numbers to drop as a result. This is what Trump does. It works.

    It's depressing how gullible and predictable Americans are. What's more depressing is that it works.

    Donald drags everything around him down to his level and the American people willingly follow like blind sheep walking off a cliff.

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    Nothing new just affirmation that repeating a lie creates belief that the lie is true.

    BBC - Future - How liars create the ‘illusion of truth’

    www.bbc.com/future/story/20161026-how-liars-create-the...

    “Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels.

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    The New York Times had several article about this topic this morning.

    First, before his call to the Ukraine President, he ordered his staff to freeze $391 million in aid before calling the president. He issued his directive to Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, who conveyed it through the budget office to the Pentagon and the State Department, which were told only that the administration was looking at whether the spending was necessary, the officials said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/us/politics/trump-un-biden-ukraine.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Second, the inspector general of the intelligence agency, Michael Atkinson, referred the whistle blower complaint to the acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire. Under federal law, Mr. Maguire had a responsibility to deliver the inspector general’s findings to Congress within a week. Instead, the Department of Justice advised Mr. Maguire not to pass along the report. Mr. Atkinson felt compelled to alert Congress to the existence, but not the contents, of the complaint.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/opinion/whistle-blower-trump-ukraine.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Third, as hard as it may be to believe, getting impeached might actually to Trump's advantage . Ross Douthat explains the 3 advantages to Trump in the article below:

    First, if the Democrats impeach him they will be doing something unpopular instead of something popular.

    Second, Trump is happy to pit his overt abuses of power against the soft corruption of his foes

    Third, an impeachment battle would give Trump a last chance to solidify his hold on the souls and reputations of his possible Republican successors.

    Which brings us to the last reason Trump might kind of like to be impeached: Because the circus is the part of politics that he fundamentally enjoys.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/opinion/impeach-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

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    The Washington Post mentioned this morning that Trump actually confirmed that he withheld aid, but his latest story is that he wanted to have other countries help pay for it.
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    Descending further into madness:

    During a meeting with Polish President Andrzej, Trump said that Joe Biden should get the electric chair. He ended by almost screaming at the press corps, "You're all crooked as hell." Then, barely taking a beat, he concluded with, "Okay thank you very much, I hope you enjoyed it."

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/23/1887372/-Trump-loses-it-in-front-of-world-s-fake-media-rails-about-Biden-deserving-the-electric-chair?detail=emaildkre

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: Repetition, repetition, repetition. Look for Trump to repeat these charges again and again. It feeds his base, but also casts doubt with moderate "undecideds". Look for Biden's poll numbers to drop as a result. This is what Trump does. It works.

    It's depressing how gullible and predictable Americans are. What's more depressing is that it works.

    Donald drags everything around him down to his level and the American people willingly follow like blind sheep walking off a cliff.

    The gullibility is primarily limited to his base. They have the frame of of mind of evangelicals, even if not all of his base are religious. By this I mean an individual (ie Trump) is perceive to be a great leader, therefore is 100% untouchable; God had made him president, not the voters. Their role is to stand behind him 100% no matter what he does or what he says. They would stand him if he shot and killed someone on the WH lawn, then turns to reporters "I am president, and I can kill anybody I see fit. Its in the constitution. It's God's Will"... Of course if he did something that egregious, the rest of the nation would demand he be removed from office immediately, and he would be forced to resign within 48 hours. Once removed, he would be charged with murder.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: Repetition, repetition, repetition. Look for Trump to repeat these charges again and again. It feeds his base, but also casts doubt with moderate "undecideds". Look for Biden's poll numbers to drop as a result. This is what Trump does. It works.

    It's depressing how gullible and predictable Americans are. What's more depressing is that it works.

    Donald drags everything around him down to his level and the American people willingly follow like blind sheep walking off a cliff.

    Yes Jared, you've got it. Isn't it time to do something about the "education" in this country? Especially in the "country side". As well get the "separation of church and State" back in place. Governing should be done without religion involved. Well being of people is not controlled from Mars.
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    Trump released "his" transcript. Barr and his cronies cleared Trump now of any wrongdoing. I could have guessed that.

    What's next? Are they now finally "hear" the "Whistle Blower's" version? Where are the brains? My guess is that Trump released just another phone call (without the things the "whistle blower" overheard) Wake up Democrats you are taken to the cleaners again!!

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    And it gets worse:

    The call begins with Trump congratulating Zelensky on his election victory, but quickly devolves into the president pressing for an investigation of his political rivals and endorsing an apparent conspiracy theory. He seems to suggest Hillary Clinton’s private email server is in Ukraine and asserts that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation started with that country.

    Speaking a day after Mueller had testified to Congress about his investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, Trump derides the special counsel for what he called “an incompetent performance” and asks for Ukraine’s help investigating the DNC server issue.

    In other words, at the start of his call, he asks for Ukraine's help in finding the location of the DNC server that U.S. officials said was hacked in the run-up to the 2016 election!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/transcript-of-trumps-call-with-ukrainian-president-shows-him-offering-us-assistance-for-biden-investigation/2019/09/25/16aa36ca-df0f-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html?fbclid=IwAR3VSHqUOJGDNUUYChjWUUhb6BQLVrA_8ZkNEqCJ7UOB1VrNDT9nsDRrKII

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    And the hits keep coming ....

    During the phone call, Trump also threatened a SITTING state department official named Marie Yovanovich , who served as the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine until May. She left her post post months earlier than expected after conservative media outlets and Donald Trump Jr. accused her of being part of an alleged Ukrainian attempt to support Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign.

    “What’s horrifying is Trump’s implication that, having recalled Ambassador Yovanovitch from post, he also intended to impose some kind of consequences on her for his displeasure at her failure to push his personal ? not policy ? agenda,”

    Back in May, Democratic lawmakers already slammed Yovanovitch’s removal as “a political hit job.”

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-threatened-an-american-serving-her-country-as-he-pressured-ukraine_n_5d8b9602e4b0c6d0cef53903?utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&utm_source=politics_fb§ion=politics&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1-YGXTTWwBFoGSrINmXWDdpchZIwGYq1N34D9KNi0P7ROnPbukM0fgBoE

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    We can see what Trump (and Barr) were trying to make happen.

    1) Pressure Ukraine to issue charges and arrests warrants for Joe Biden and his son

    2)Ukraine asks the US to honor the arrest warrants.

    3) Barr approves the arrest warrants; Joe and Hunter Biden are arrested by FBI.

    4) Trump claims deniability because this was something that happened in Ukraine, not US.

    If it was anybody but Trump, this would be a total absurd conspiracy theory. With Trump, such a conspiracy is normal operating procedure as if this is how the US President has been doing business for 200+ years.

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    Omertà (/o?'m??rt?/, Italian pronunciation: [omer'ta])[a] is a Southern Italian code of silence and code of honor that places importance on silence in the face of questioning by authorities or outsiders; non-cooperation with authorities, the government, or outsiders; and willfully ignoring and generally avoiding interference with the illegal activities of others (i.e., not contacting law enforcement or the authorities when one is aware of, witness to, or even the victim of certain crimes). It originated and remains common in Southern Italy, where banditry or brigandage and Mafia-type criminal organizations (like the Camorra, Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta and Sacra Corona Unita) are strong. Similar codes are also deeply rooted in other areas of the Mediterranean, including rural Spain, Crete (Greece), and Corsica, all of which share a common or similar historic culture with Southern Italy.

    It also exists, to a lesser extent, in certain Italian-American neighborhoods, especially in neighborhoods where the Italian-American Mafia has strong influence, as well as in Italian ethnic enclaves in countries such as Germany, Canada, and Australia, where Italian organized crime exists. Similar codes of silence have been observed in Jewish-American, Greek-American, African-American, Hispanic, and certain working class Irish-American neighborhoods. Retaliation against informers is common in criminal circles, where informers are known as "rats" or "snitches".

    So ...

    1) Trump has threatened the former ambassador to Ukraine, even though she no longer is in that position

    2) Trump just suggested that the Ukraine whistle blower should be executed

    http://ttps://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/listen-audio-emerges-of-trump-suggesting-ukraine-whistleblower-should-be-executed/?utm_source=push_notifications

    Responding to reports that US President Trump likened the whistle-blower's sources "to a spy" and said, "You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart?", the House intelligence chair said Americans should denounce such witness intimidation.

    "The President’s suggestion that those involved in the whistle blower complaint should be dealt with as 'we used to do' for 'spies and treason' is a reprehensible invitation to violence against witnesses in our investigation. All Americans must denounce such witness intimidation," Adam Schiff tweeted.

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    Is it just me, or did anyone else think that Joseph Maguire was withholding information? His facial expressions and body language made it seem he wasn't really honest at all, like he was hiding something.

    I want to hear and see the whistleblower's testimony.