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    Some of the more zealous 2nd amendment folks have facetiously suggested that we ban cars because they kill people, but that is a false equivalency to guns.

    Cars are designed to provide transportation.

    Guns are designed to kill.

    The reason that auto deaths have gone down steadily since the peak year of 1972 is due to:

    (1) safer automobiles

    (2) better enforcement of drunk driving laws

    (3) better designed roads

    (4) all drivers are required to be licensed and insured *

    (5) drivers can lose their license to drive for various violations.

    In contrast, an individual who wants to buy a gun:

    (1) does not have to pass a background check to verify his eligibility to buy a gun at gun shows or in a private sale.

    (2) In most states, he is not required to go through training before buying a gun

    (3) he is not required to purchase insurance

    (4) red flag laws (which would take away guns from dangerous people) do not exist in many states.

    (5) in many states (like Arizona) are not even required to have a permit to own a bgun

    On top of that, gun manufactures (unlike car manufacturers) cannot be sued if their product causes injury or death.

    * The first state to issue a drivers license was New York, in 1901. It was not until 1959, that all states required driver's licenses, and for many years, many states did not even require drivers to go through an exam.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver%27s_licenses_in_the_United_States

    Supposedly, Mitch McConnell is suddenly interested in passing gun legislation- but don't hold your breath.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/us/politics/gun-background-checks.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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    Since most GOP members are immersed in the second amendment, I really don't see how they'll pass any new legislation, they'll claim it's a violation of a citizen's privacy to pass red flag laws.
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    As I've said so many times; it says nowhere in the "second amendment" that "civilians" can own guns. It says "militia" can own guns. Thus hang all the lawyers who are complicit in all the killings. Amen
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    I think the second amendment should either be abolished or amended itself, they did it before for prohibition, they can do it now for gun laws, but congress is too unwilling, they're afraid if they do, it'll affect their reelection chances.
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    The only thing that will stop this kind of mass shooting violence is removing all guns. Removing all guns would probably precipitate another kind of violence. Don't be reassured that the number of gun owners has gone down. It is probably a lot more than polling can account for.
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    The California Assembly on Monday sent a bill to Gov. Gavin Newsom's desk. The bill would expand Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPos), commonly referred to as red flag laws. As it currently stands, family members and law enforcement officials are able to petition the court to take away a person's firearms. The bill heading to Newsom's desk, if signed, would now allow employers, co-workers, and high school and college teachers and administrations to also petition a court, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    Seems like a sensible law to me, but the conservatives (see below) think it would be a "serious infringement of gun rights".

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/09/10/california-legislature-sends-bill-expanding-red-flag-laws-to-gov-newsom-n2552740

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    The California Assembly on Monday sent a bill to Gov. Gavin Newsom's desk. The bill would expand Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPos), commonly referred to as red flag laws. As it currently stands, family members and law enforcement officials are able to petition the court to take away a person's firearms. The bill heading to Newsom's desk, if signed, would now allow employers, co-workers, and high school and college teachers and administrations to also petition a court, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    Seems like a sensible law to me, but the conservatives (see below) think it would be a "serious infringement of gun rights".

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/09/10/california-legislature-sends-bill-expanding-red-flag-laws-to-gov-newsom-n2552740

    Arizona, Looking at all of this, then this country won't last with all these half ass measures. If you look at present at the whole picture of this country and what is going on, then forget it; it will become even worse than Venezuela if we don't watch out. Amen
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    Both California and New York have recently passed what I would call "enhanced red flag" laws that allow more people to warn authorities about dangerous individuals.

    Beto O'Rourke, of course, is absolutely correct when he said that "weapons of war" have no place on our streets. Naturally, he got a DEATH THREAT from one of the state legislators in Texas, which he reported to the FBI.

    Another innovative approach is the program just introduced by Green Giant. For every semi-automatic weapon turned in, the company is offering 25 pounds of green beans. Gun owners who turned in multiple weapons could receive premium products like their Italian herb vegetable medley and fire-roasted sautéed zucchini.

    At press time, though, Green Giant had discontinued the program after receiving over 5 million death threats.

    As you might suspect, though, this story is from America's finest news source - The Onion.

    https://www.theonion.com/green-giant-offering-program-where-gun-owners-can-trade-1838097221

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    Jay Lawrence, a member of the Arizona legislature wants police posted at every polling place to deal with possible violence he fears could result because of the current divisive and angry political atmosphere.

    “I would like to have security at every polling station to make certain that if there is a problem at the polling station, someone has a police officer with whom they can speak with regard to the offense that is being seen,” he said.

    Lawrence could not cite a single instance in Arizona history where anyone sought to interrupt voting. But he said things are different now.

    Who are the people he is worried about?

    Democrats.

    Is any of the cause for this situation due to presidential rhetoric?

    “Absolutely not,” he said as he launched into a defense of President Trump.

    “It is a president who has done so much for society,” Lawrence said. “I won’t even go into all of the things.”

    The way he sees it, the problem stems from the other side of the political divide.

    No hearing has yet been set for the legislation. If the legislature has any sense, they'll shred his bill as soon as possible.

    https://tucson.com/news/local/arizona-lawmaker-wants-police-posted-at-every-polling-place/article_11989c9f-0125-50e4-b3da-0c273d9c92c8.html

    Apart from the fact that Democrats are less likely to own guns, what are the other defining factors of gun ownership? Pew Research provides the answer:

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

    1) men are far more likely to own a gun then women

    2) the people the most likely to own a guy are over 65

    3) white people are far more likely to own guns than blacks or Hispanics

    4) people with college degrees are less likely to own guns than folks with less education

    5) people in the South are more likely to own guns than other parts of the country

    6) people living in rural areas are FAR more likely to own guns that people in cities or suburbs

    7) Democrats are FAR less likely to own a gun than Republicans or Independents

    There WAS a time when the NRA supported the Democratic Party, but that all changed in 1994, when Congress passed a ban on assault weapons. Today, nearly 99% of the $1 million in NRA contributions to congressional candidates in 2016 went to Republicans. The few Democrats who did get money -- Reps. Sanford D. Bishop Jr. of Georgia, Henry Cuellar of Texas, Collin C. Peterson of Minnesota and Tim Walz of Minnesota -- all have A ratings from the group.

    https://www.governing.com/topics/politics/tns-nra-campaign-contributions.html

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    It would be nice to have some lawyers demand that all the kids in school read the second amendment. Also the Supreme Court should demand that all the gun owners read it. It says nowhere that you can own an AR 15 or an AK 47, let alone what how many rounds per clip. Neither is there an "militia" nowadays and it does not even say "civilians" can own guns, not even for hunting. Officially the only thing you can own is an single shot musket if you are an militia member. This is what you get if you don't make an Constitution an "living" document, which is updated all the time. This "amendment" has never been updated and does not apply at all for the type of guns developed over time.

    Wake up America, you are being screwed over by these money hungry lawyers who get bribed by the NRA.

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    I just looked at the Arizona legislature website to determine the status of this bill ((HB2137). From what I can tell, there was no action taken on this bill, so it appears that it may die a merciful death.

    Prior to first being elected to office in 2014, Jay Lawrence was a talk show host for 26 years.

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    It's all part of the fear mongering campaign of Republicans. "Be afraid. Be very afraid."

    Research studies of the genetic make-up of conservatives shows that their brains are more susceptible to fear. That is why the fear factor works so well on them...whether it's a political leader yelling doom and gloom if Democrats are elected or a preacher giving them a sermon on how bad they will be treated by God should they not succumb to the words of the "preacher on the pulpit." Oh and a few hefty tax deductible donations will certainly help as well.

    "The more you give, the more God loves you."

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    Today is the 2nd anniversary of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. Three weeks after the shooting, Florida passed a "red flag" law that has since removed hundreds of guns from people that should not have them.

    Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, who leads a commission that investigated the massacre’s causes, says the shooter would have easily qualified for a red flag order. Gualtieri says while it is impossible to say that would have prevented the shooting, the gunman wouldn’t have been able to legally buy weapons or ammunition, making his preparation difficult.

    https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/02/14/in-2-years-florida-red-flag-law-removes-hundreds-of-guns/

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