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the dangers of organized religion

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    Thanks for the clarification. It was a show about Knute Rockne as he coached at Notre Dame. Catholics and they're the Fighting Irish.

    Interesting fact on the Klan that I wasn't aware of (15%).

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    A federal judge in Manhattan just voided the "conscience rule", a rule backed by the Trump administration that would make it easier for doctors and nurses to avoid performing abortions on religious or moral grounds.

    https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2019/11/06/us/06reuters-usa-healthcare-religion-lawsuit.html?auth=login-facebook&login=facebook

    The "conscience rule" would also apply to businesses that refused to include birth control in their medical coverage. The most prominent company in this category is Hobby Lobby, owned by the Green family, which just opened the Bible museum in Washington, D.C.. Tellingly, the grand opening gala in November 2018 wasn’t held in its new $400 million shrine to the scripture near the Capitol. Instead, funders and fans convened at the Trump International Hotel,

    https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2019/11/06/us/06reuters-usa-healthcare-religion-lawsuit.html?auth=login-facebook&login=facebook

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    The judge in this case was an Obama appointee. Given how many Trump appointees hand picked by the Federalist Society are now taking their seats for life, it is not inconceivable that the judge's ruling could be reversed by a higher court or the Supreme Court.
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    Bill Barr had an interview this week with New York Cardinal; Timothy Dolan this week.

    This is what he had to say:

    "The problem today is not that religious people are trying to impose their views on non-religious people. It’s the opposite — it’s that militant secularists are trying to impose their values on religious people, and they’re not accommodating the freedom of religion of people of faith.”

    He told Dolan that the Founding Fathers adhered to “the centrality of religion to the health of America Democracy” and that losing that religious conviction is dangerous for the U.S.

    https://deadstate.org/bill-barr-atheists-are-conducting-an-organized-militant-effort-to-drive-out-religion/?fbclid=IwAR2eweHEKABzZm8GUiXUthnk-xWfFOOOXqt8mEibUpiPlmMUPidyda9nfrE

    Unfortunately, Bill, that simply is not true.

    Many of the founding fathers—Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe—practiced a faith called Deism. Deism is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems. Deists believe in a supreme being who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws—and after creation, is absent from the world. This belief in reason over dogma helped guide the founders toward a system of government that respected faiths like Christianity, while purposely isolating both from encroaching on one another so as not to dilute the overall purpose and objectives of either.

    In his first term as president, Thomas Jefferson declared his firm belief in the separation of church and state in a letter to the Danbury, Conn. Baptists.

    A treaty of peace and friendship between the United States and Tripoli that was approved by George Washington explicitly stated: “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion…

    https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/news/2008/01/08/3794/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/

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    If you had to pick the most religious president going back to 1992, who would it be?

    Bill Clinton obviously had a few moral lapses, but he DID have 2 or spiritual advisers.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1998/09/15/us/testing-president-counselors-clinton-selects-clerics-give-him-guidance.html

    George W. Bush read the Bible every day, but only had one spiritual adviser - Billy Graham

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6014570/ns/us_news-washington_post/t/bush-leaves-specifics-his-faith-speculation/#.XotSochKiUk

    Obama had 5

    https://www.au.org/blogs/wall-of-separation/all-the-presidents-clergy-obama-looks-to-five-religious-leaders-for-counsel

    Trump has 25, which does not even count the people in "Catholics for Trump"

    https://archive.thinkprogress.org/meet-donald-trumps-new-evangelical-advisory-board-6a5bfc5460d7/

    Despite the fact that he has cheated on all three of his wives, has had numerous affairs throughout his life, has cheated his banks, his suppliers, and his employees, and has violated all 7 of the deadly sins numerous times, there ARE people who think that he was chosen by God.

    Barry Goldwater pegged the danger of the religious folks 60 years ago, and he would be horrified at what he saw today.

    My Catholic sister-in-law does not understand why I don't want to watch masses on television, and there's no point in trying to explain it to her, so I won't even start .

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    Like I've said before: "religion' does not belong in "governing" which is totally an worldly "human" endeavor . We are the only "living" thing on this planet who invented this crazy thing. Mostly to get 'power" over the people and "enrichment" as an bonus.

    The Catholic churches are not for nothing plastered with gold which they stole from the Inca's and the poor.

    Sorry to say lots of useless wars are fought because because of religion since centuries, killing millions of people.

    Nutty people like Pence, Pompeo and even Biden (devout Catholic) etc. and the preachers here will make sure to keep the killing going.

    Yes "religion" is an "human" created curse and regardless of "science" the dumb ass people keep believing in "ghosts" and "donkey" herders and think "babies" drop from the sky and landed here via an parachute in the year "0" by accident in Israel, why not in Iceland? Old books were solely written by "humans" only, who were scared of the unknown and also believed in "fantasy"; to be able to get "power" over the people..

    When are people going to wake up that this planet and its people are self contained and nothing out there controls "human" beings. The only thing which is more powerful than people are all kinds of "viruses" and other "deceases" as well may be an "falling" star or "space junk". Stupid "humans" love to fight each other just like animals do, it is in their heritage and not an "god" thing. Humans likely will erase themselves over time, due to their own stupidity and no religion will save their asses.. Amen.

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    Again yesterday, I'd heard MSM reported that religious exemption claims are the reasons some states are not asking people to stay home. I believe come Easter Sunday, cops might have to arrest people for violating government orders. Technically, being written a citation is an arrest.
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    Remember the Louisiana pastor who defied the governor's order not to hold gatherings larger than 50 people?

    He held services again on Sunday, and he plans to do so yet again on Tuesday night.

    On Sunday, Pastor Tony Spell said, his Life Tabernacle Church in Baton Rouge drew about 1,000 people to its services, in part by busing people in from across five parishes. (This must be the religious right's idea of "freedom riders")

    On Tuesday evening, the pastor plans to hold services again, despite the governor's stay-at-home orders, a petition seeking his arrest and a flood of criticism from fellow Christians.

      "If they close every door in this city, then I will close my doors," Spell told CNN on Tuesday. "But you can't say the retailers are essential but the church is not. That is a persecution of the faith."

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/us/louisiana-pastor-spell-coronavirus/index.html