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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    My wife and I watched the entire debate, and found that we liked ALL of the candidates. In my opinion, the best statement was Kamala Harris's opening remarks, where she addressed Trump directly.

    My favorites are still Elizabeth Warren and mayor Pete, but I also thought that Biden did a better job this time. Since I also liked Harris and Booker, it's going to be hard for me to pick just one candidate.

    Mayor Pete presented as the most presidential.
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    I liked Mayor Pete very much.

    Joe Biden is a great man. Joe, you don't play the... Radio..... Record player.... To expose children to more words. In theory his comments were sound. In reality he seemed out of touch. It sounded like sitting around "The Radio" in the 1930's. So what's the difference that it was 80 years ago.

    I would love to buy Joe Biden lunch and thank him for his contributions.

    Election in 14 months. A few more until inauguration. Then 48 - 86 months to serve. Hard truth is his prime is behind him.

    All 10 on stage were better than #45. Who can win ? That's the Trillion dollar question.

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    This story was just released by Rolling Stone. It's not very positive.

    rollingstone.com/politics/political-com...

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    Anyone who thinks Joe Biden is too old to be President but doesn't think Bernie is should probably dust off their calculators.

    Being President isn't a reality show, as much as Donald and Bernie would like it to be. I don't care about having a beer with my President and I don't care if my President has a Freudian slip while 1,000 cameras are focused on them. I care about whether or not my President has the mental fortitude to make tough decisions for the betterment of our country, even if those decisions aren't always popular with the base.

    Joe Biden has that mental fortitude; Donald Trump does not.

    We have to be realistic here. We aren't trying to find the candidate that the "coastal elites" love. We have to find the candidate that Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin like more than Donald.

    That's it. If we don't do that then we'll all be watching in shock as Donald is sworn in for a second term because we shot ourselves in the foot yet again.

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    Before anyone chastises me for hating on Bernie, I'll say this: I'm voting for whoever the Democratic nominee is. I'm not wedded to Biden at all. I'm voting D whether the candidate is Biden (the person I think can carry the states we need), Warren (I actually like her a lot, but don't know about her appeal in the states that actually matter), Buttigieg (don't think he has a chance in hell of winning against Donald), Sanders (heaven forbid), or anyone else.

    We have to keep our eyes on the prize because if Democrats lose in 2020 then we may never have the opportunity to vote for a President again. And I'm not being hyperbolic.

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    Jared, nothing matters as long as the "system" of "vetting" and the voting "system" is as it is. Thus which ever candidate is selected it will evolve into the same shit as it is right now. It depends on the "candidate" if he or she sees "$ signs" in the job and has an built in decency as Obama did have. Otherwise due to the piss poor system the candidate can do whatever Trump does all over again. Thus as long as the system has no "limit" laws for Presidents (the sky is the limit), so possibly we get an weirdo again.

    Sorry this is an awful stupid country "asking" for dictatorship. Amen

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    I posted some comments recently on one of our various threads about the 2020 election about Trump's plot to disparage Biden by withholding emergency funds to the Ukraine unless they drummed up some evidence against Biden.

    That, my friends, is called extortion - which is what mob bosses do.

    The scheme that Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump have been running in Ukraine deserves to be getting more attention, and lately it has been. Three House committees are now investigating the scam in which both Giuliani and Trump have been leaning on Ukrainian officials in an effort to get them to claim that Vice President Joe Biden is under investigation. Which he definitely is not. As part of this plot, Trump has even been holding up military aid to Ukraine to place pressure on the new pro-Western government.

    The New York Times reports that Trump has folded on this part of the scheme after the idea of withholding aid from a U.S. ally created outrage on both sides of the aisle.

    How obvious was Trump’s blackmail effort? So obvious that one of those who went to tell him to let it go was Lindsey Graham.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/13/1885246/-Trump-finally-agrees-to-release-military-aid-to-Ukraine-after-apparent-blackmail-effort-fails?detail=emaildkre

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    Candidates attacking each other, hardly any on the same page with any issue, I don't know man, this isn't the D party I used to know.
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    100% of Republicans will vote for their parties candidate. Most Democrats will vote for their candidate but as seen in '16 there are factions who will follow their candidate to the end by not voting or voting in a manner that has ulterior motives (third party throwing their votes into the dumpster).

    The Democratic party is shell shocked by an extremely loud and unconventional reality television guy who's anything but predictable.

    We're not him is a weak and pathetic approach. This party failed us in '16 and I am not sure that they won't fail us again in 14 months.

    We know that Republicans would walk to the polls in horrendous weather and they would vote. Democrats have 50% of the base who are the same. It's the other 50% who are easily distracted or disinterested who would put the final nail in the coffin. We need all Dems to vote and we need many many new voters to register and follow through by actually voting.

    It doesn't matter if Dems have "the most votes". That means nothing. Let's try (there's time left) to reach out to the 40 states who aren't the 10 largest. Perhaps there's common ground to discuss. Our '16 game plan was bad as evidenced by #45 seating 2 Scotus members. Fail again Mr. Perez. It's nothing that the "next generation" can't address. We must win this election because disadvantaged Americans need real healthcare and clean air and water. Our children and grandchildren need schools where death isn't allowable because the Red party was more concerned with contributions than safety.

    Many would be happy if we gave 5% more effort in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I say, is that all you have got ? Slightly better is not good enough. Lives and well being are on the line.

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    Dock don't worry. All the Trump policies will blow up in their faces; sorry to say that right now their policies are none existent and are on the pre-school level. Nothing what they plan is thought about, let alone was researched by competent people. Trump and his cronies "know it all". Like Trump said in the past: "I alone can do it all" . But yeah , he needs only "help" from some incompetent idiots like Pompeo and Pence; success assured.
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    TJ Wrote:

    100% of Republicans will vote for their parties candidate. Most Democrats will vote for their candidate but as seen in '16 there are factions who will follow their candidate to the end by not voting or voting in a manner that has ulterior motives (third party throwing their votes into the dumpster).

    The Democratic party is shell shocked by an extremely loud and unconventional reality television guy who's anything but predictable.

    We're not him is a weak and pathetic approach. This party failed us in '16 and I am not sure that they won't fail us again in 14 months.

    We know that Republicans would walk to the polls in horrendous weather and they would vote. Democrats have 50% of the base who are the same. It's the other 50% who are easily distracted or disinterested who would put the final nail in the coffin. We need all Dems to vote and we need many many new voters to register and follow through by actually voting.

    It doesn't matter if Dems have "the most votes". That means nothing. Let's try (there's time left) to reach out to the 40 states who aren't the 10 largest. Perhaps there's common ground to discuss. Our '16 game plan was bad as evidenced by #45 seating 2 Scotus members. Fail again Mr. Perez. It's nothing that the "next generation" can't address. We must win this election because disadvantaged Americans need real healthcare and clean air and water. Our children and grandchildren need schools where death isn't allowable because the Red party was more concerned with contributions than safety.

    Many would be happy if we gave 5% more effort in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I say, is that all you have got ? Slightly better is not good enough. Lives and well being are on the line.

    TJ, as long as the "system" stays as it is and "money" drives it, as well corruption and an "electoral college" and no "limits" for presidents and their behavior, then regardless who ever wins, then this country will still go down the drain. Amen
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    Sorry people these "debates" are no "debates" at all. Nothing about the "actual" tasks of Presidents, nothing about world politics (and have a clear well researched position in it), nothing about the "deficit" and how to fix it, nothing about the "middle east" and "solutions", nothing about getting "religion" out of "governing", nothing about saving "social security" and how to fund it, nothing about getting "corruption" out of politics, nothing about "correcting" the emoluments "clause" and making it an well detailed "law" , let alone getting an "honest" voting system without lots of money from the rich, as well strict (by law) definition of the limits of Presidential "powers. etc etc.

    So in my view, these debates are an waste of time and effort. It looks more like an 4th grade class interchange. Amen

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    As one who cares about the issues, I am in the minority. Most people vote their emotions (e.g. likability) rather than thinking critically about what it would take to get legislation enacted on the important issues of the day...health care, climate change, jobs, etc. People who vote for Bernie Sanders because they really believe that he can get his version of Medicare for all passed, free college for everyone, and more freebees paid for by the rich live in a different reality.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    As one who cares about the issues, I am in the minority. Most people vote their emotions (e.g. likability) rather than thinking critically about what it would take to get legislation enacted on the important issues of the day...health care, climate change, jobs, etc. People who vote for Bernie Sanders because they really believe that he can get his version of Medicare for all passed, free college for everyone, and more freebees paid for by the rich live in a different reality.

    Yes, Schmidt; indeed they live in an "la la land" reality. The points I make above your mail should be the "base"issues.
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    As I've mentioned before, the person who is the most likely to beat Trump is - Trump.

    The article below goes into more detail, but here are a few key points:

    "The problem for Trump is that the economic outlook is cloudier. U.S. businesses have pulled back on spending as they worry about no end in sight to Trump’s trade war. Business leaders say Trump’s unpredictable behavior — such as threatening to close the U.S. border with Mexico — leaves them on edge and makes it nearly impossible to plan for the future."

    "Only 35 percent of adults approve of Trump’s handling of trade negotiations with China, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll taken this month. Fifty-six percent of American adults disapprove."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/17/trump-is-handing-democrats-an-opening-economy/