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    We've already got a thread about Joe Biden, but it needs to be expanded to include most of the other candidates.

    The first debate will this coming Wednesday, and the second will be held the next night.

    Both of them will be a huge improvement over the 2016 Republican debates because


    (1) there won't be a "kids table" event for lesser candidates due to the fact that each debate will include front runners

    (2) the moderators will not be asking questions about hand size

    The following people will be in the first debate:

    Booker, Warren, Beto O’Rourke, Amy Klobuchar, John Delaney, Tulsi Gabbard, Julian Castro, Tim Ryan, Bill de Blasio and Jay Inslee.

    On the second night, Joe Biden will face off against Sanders, Harris, Buttigieg, Michael Bennet, Marianne Williamson, Eric Swalwell, Kirsten Gillibrand, Andrew Yang and John Hickenlooper.

    The debates will be on NBC, MSNBC, and Telemundo.

    The networks announced on Tuesday morning that the moderators will be Lester Holt, Savannah Guthrie, Chuck Todd, Rachel Maddow and José Díaz-Balart.

    https://time.com/5605427/2020-democratic-debate-qualified-candidates/

    At this point, it is likely that Trump will be the Republican candidate, but it's possible that he WILL have some challengers. As of now, those people are William Weld, John Kasich, and Larry Hogan.

    Presidents who face a reputable challenge in the primary frequently lose reelection, even after winning their party’s nomination; a divided party is less likely to turn out the votes needed. The last time this happened was in 1992, when President George H. W. Bush lost reelection to Bill Clinton after facing a far-right candidate (Pat Buchanan) in the primary.

    http://fortune.com/2019/04/22/republican-presidential-candidates-2020/

    The 2020 Democratic convention will be held July 13-16, 2020, in Milwaukee

    The Republican convention will be held in Charlotte, who was the ONLY BIDDER.

    Charlotte Mayor Vi Lyles, a Democrat, says the decision to host the convention was the hardest she has tackled — "not just as a mayor but as a mom and as a friend" to her community.

    To quell anger from her constituents, she has vowed that she will not deliver a welcome speech, an extraordinary break from custom. Other local leaders are going further, promising to use the occasion to speak out against Trump.

    In 2016, trump got 50.5% of the vote in North Carolina.

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    I guess I rather watch an "movie". Not worth watching. Sorry none of the candidates have "it", let alone enough experience for the job, or "know" where they get themselves into. Just watch the series Designated Survivor on Netflix.
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    Joe who?

    Yesterday, Pennsylvania Joe Sestak announced that he is running for president. Although he seems to have decent credentials, what exactly is he trying achieve by announcing his candidacy 3 days before the first debate?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Sestak

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    Joe is a good man. Not my candidate at this time. Not important to win though. Keep floundering Mr. Perez. Nobody wants your job anyway.

    Maybe in 2028 we will make changes.

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    TJ Wrote:

    Joe is a good man. Not my candidate at this time. Not important to win though. Keep floundering Mr. Perez. Nobody wants your job anyway.

    Maybe in 2028 we will make changes.

    Depends if Trump is then elected for life!:-P
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    The consensus seems to be that Elizabeth Warren won the first debate:

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/here-are-4-winners-and-9-losers-from-the-first-2020-democratic-primary-debate/?utm_source=push_notifications

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/opinion/first-democratic-debate.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    My favorite line was Jay Inslee naming President Trump as the greatest threat to our national security

    Looking forward to tonight's debate.

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    Quick summary of night 1. Luckily I spent the night talking with visiting family.

    rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news...

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    I'm happy I did not see it. However I saw some pieces of it today. Warren's stupidity is "healthcare" ; they refuse to copy other countries. In The Netherlands if you reach an certain level of income then you have to get private insurance or pay the bills yourself. Such as any billionaire, why should they get "free" healthcare. Thus "medicare" for all is stupid. But yeah they don't think here farther than the length of their noses. (An Dutch saying)
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    I was impressed by Kamala Harris in the 2nd debate - and I still like mayor Pete. Harris' line about "the food fight" was a classic.

    I think that Bernie's "Medicare for all" is a non-starter, but a few of the debaters suggested having an option of private insurance, for those who still want it, alongside a Medicare for all plan for those who want that.

    "Medicare for all" would mean 150 million voters would lose the coverage they have, and that's going to make too many people uncomfortable.

    I'm still confused why Marianne Williamson and Andrew Yang were even on the stage. My impression of Michael Bennett, Eric Swalwell, and John Hickenlooper is that they simply are not charismatic enough to "win the hearts and souls of America" even though they have good ideas and a good track record. Kirsten Gillibrand came off as a little too aggressive.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-winners-and-losers-from-the-democratic-presidential-debates-second-night/ar-AADxE0e?ocid=spartandhp

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    Harris is probably a racist.
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    An total "nothing"; nowhere an question about Putin nor China. Let alone that Trump again can talk with Putin without witnesses. He said to Putin with an big smile on his "filthy face" not to interfere in the 2020 election. Putin smiled back. But the people here never studied body language anyway. In the meantime Ivanka and Kussner are making deals in Japan with Abu Dhabi to buy an golf course for Trump. He's got the whole entourage of Pompeo and Bolton etc with him to cover his insecurity.

    So what could go wrong? Please bring the barf bucket again. Democrats you are being used as " you know as the dumb asses" and you accept all of this?

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    Yes another wasted "millions" in this trip; result for the US "zero"; at least he had the pleasure to have again an unrecorded meeting with Putin. As well all smiles with the Khasoggi killer. He wants to stop at the DMZ in Korea to meet with Kim, his sweetheart. The "trade talks" are continuing, but no solution at all; back into the waiting room. Smart move from XI.

    Sorry forget it; thanks to Trump we are nothing anymore on the world stage.

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    The problem with the Democratic debates is that perhaps more than half the candidates on stage have zero chance of becoming the nominee, let alone president. They are there to promote a specific agenda, perhaps feeding their own egos. Opportunists looking for exposure...and maybe the VP slot or a cabinet slot.

    Sure Dems can brag about inclusion. However, the DNC needs to whittle down the numbers so that the later debates have maybe just 5 or 6 on stage for meaningful dialogues rather than having everyone doing a Bill de Blasio impersonation of interrupting (shouting over people) to get a word in edge wise in the limited time available.

    I saw that Chris Matthews liked Bill de Blasio. Not surprising considering how Matthews continually interrupts his guests.

    My limited take based on what I read. I didn't watch the debates.

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    Yes Schmidt, you see it correctly. As far as I've seen the "bits" on TV, I'm not impressed at all about the quality of the candidates related to "governing" qualities. Harris gave actually the same "show" as she did with Kavanaugh; you know the result.

    I don't want to sound negative but, I'm afraid that Trump's "game" and his "far east" trip has made his base even more "solid". Thus the real game is not over by a long shot.

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    Howard Dean was on Trevor Noah's show the other day - and I suddenly feel a lot better about the Democrat's chances in 2020. Dean really isn't worried about Trump getting re-elected, since (in his opinion) Trump will defeat himself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bc81gW8z8A&feature=youtu.be

    Dean has the credentials to back up his predictions, due to the fact that he was the Chair of the Democratic National Committee from 2005 to 2009. In the early stages of the 2004 presidential race, he was the top fundraiser or leading candidate up until the Iowa caucus.

    Dean formed the organization Democracy for America and later was elected chairman of the Democratic National Committee in February 2005. As chairman of the party, Dean created and employed the 50 State Strategy that attempted to make Democrats competitive in normally conservative states often dismissed in the past as "solid red". The success of the strategy became apparent after the 2006 midterm elections, where Democrats took back the House and picked up seats in the Senate from normally Republican states such as Missouri and Montana. In the 2008 presidential election, Barack Obama used the 50 state strategy as the backbone of his candidacy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean

    All of us became over confident in the 2016 election, sine we all knew that an idiot like Trump couldn't possible get elected - and then he did.

    This time around, though, I don't think we'll make that mistake again.

    If the candidates focus on core issues, and less on Trump, we will definitely elect a Democrat for president in 2020.