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Trump the "most sucessful con man in the history of the world"

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    "Trump is the most successful con man in the history of the world." -- Chris Hayes in a conversation with Chuck Schumer, May 7, 2019.

    "Nevertheless, he [Trump] is a master con artist, perhaps the best. He would probably wear that title as a badge of honor and brag on it in some circles. It’s what he is decisively good at and he knows it. But just not as president." -- Schmidt, blog article, August 8, 2017: Donald Trump: From Bad Businessman to Worst President

    Okay, I'm doing a Trump calling attention to what I said two years ago. Trump is a fraud, and eventually justice will be served on the master con artist. It may just take a while longer.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    "Trump is the most successful con man in the history of the world." -- Chris Hayes in a conversation with Chuck Schumer, May 7, 2019.

    "Nevertheless, he [Trump] is a master con artist, perhaps the best. He would probably wear that title as a badge of honor and brag on it in some circles. It’s what he is decisively good at and he knows it. But just not as president." -- Schmidt, blog article, August 8, 2017: Donald Trump: From Bad Businessman to Worst President

    Okay, I'm doing a Trump calling attention to what I said two years ago. Trump is a fraud, and eventually justice will be served on the master con artist. It may just take a while longer.

    It may just take a while longer.

    And maybe never. We all know how white collar criminals are treated in the USA, they're coddled and given very little time in prison. Plus, at his age, he may never do any time because his crimes will have the finest lawyers money can buy, he'll probably be dead by the time the so called law catches up with him. His kids and close associates might be brought to task too, and they might do some time.

  • Independent
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    According NY Times today, over 10 years in the 1990s, Trump had a net loss of 1.17 billion, nearly all if it was Fred Trump money. 8 out 10 years Donald Trump never paid any taxes.

    The Tax information discovered by NY Times reinforced my perception that if Trump current taxes are made public, it will be the end of Trump's presidency. His taxes will provide a complete road map to all his shady\criminal activity. It will make the Mueller Report seem irrelevant.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Impeachment or Bust.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd -- Yes it has always been the disclosure of his financial transactions that has worried Trump the most. The "Russian collusion" captured the headlines, but underneath that investigation was his tax returns and other financial dealings that could take down the global Trump organization if disclosed to the public. Consider the implications on the many banks that are holding his loans if it is revealed that he is essentially insolvent. Would they have to write off those loans? Or repossess pieces of his real estate...the Trump Tower in New York, Mar-a-Lago, the Washington D.C. hotel, his golf courses, etc.

    Okay, that's far out thinking, but my guess he is certainly not as wealthy as he claims, and many of his loans were obtained with fraudulent information on his true wealth.

    All of this could eventually come out in impeachment hearings, but right now they have enough in the Mueller report to impeach for obstruction of justice (but likely not convict in the Senate). I think there may be much bigger crimes than just obstruction of justice unless the statue of limitations have passed.

    As Trump himself said in his book, "You can't con people, at least not for long...But if you don't deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on."

    People are catching on. His time as the world's most successful con man is coming to an end, one way or another.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Falsifying tax documents is a crime, but that's why trump has accountants, bookkeepers, and a host of tax lawyers for.

    Is it illegal to claim your properties are valued less than they're assessed values? No. In fact, Walmart, sams club and others have used this loophole to get their taxes lowered. Is it illegal to claim depreciated value of holdings or properties? No. Is it illegal to claim business expenses and write-offs? No. Is it illegal to claim you made x amount of money but really made y amount of money? Maybe, maybe not. But of course, you must prove or show receipts for all of these things. It could be why trump keeps claiming that his taxes are being audited, maybe the IRS is looking into his business dealings.

    According to the GOP, a sitting president cannot be indicted. If that's the case, then we'll all have to wait to see if uncle sam holds trumps feet to the fire for improprieties, or tax evasion/s.

    I think I recall when Mitt Romney ran for office, he was hounded about releasing his tax documents, it was said that he had or has offshore accounts in the Cayman islands. Trump might very well fall into this category of having foreign business dealings that are or were illegal. Romney of course only released part of his tax documents, and has defended trump over the release of his. Romney is without a doubt a hypocrite.

  • Independent
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    I've said so many times in the past that he likely did not pay any taxes; so for me it is no surprise. The country is asking for it, by refusing to have proper laws and "stringent limits" for their leaders. He "lost' billions. The worst part is that he is loosing billions of OUR tax money now; the expenditures for himself (not counting the whole family) are now already around 750 million and rising rapidly. Where is the 100 million plus Inauguration money? All his "billing" for Mar-a-Lago, who controls that? All his handouts to cover his ass, via "slush" funds? I was already aware what type of guy he was when he started the aircraft "shuttle" service (D.C to NY) he wanted "big" planes; because then his "name" on it would be larger. He selected the "fuel guzzling 727, instead of an efficient rapid turnaround aircraft. I met him; he was nice, but stupid and found him just an "play-boy"; shortly after that the shuttle went bankrupt. An country must be terrible dumb to selects such an dumb ass as President. Amen
  • Center Left
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    But he's a brilliant business man.

    What makes you think that ?

    Well, he told us he was/is.

    He may have told his first lie.

    Follow the money. Tax evasion is a serious crime. Under valuing properties to pay far less taxes equals stealing. Lock him up.

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    TJ Wrote:

    But he's a brilliant business man.

    What makes you think that ?

    Well, he told us he was/is.

    He may have told his first lie.

    Follow the money. Tax evasion is a serious crime. Under valuing properties to pay far less taxes equals stealing. Lock him up.

    Yes that is what you get if you refuse to properly "vet" anyone before electing him/her. I guess this country is too stupid/naive/ignorant to learn how such "vetting" should be done. The refusal by Trump to show his tax returns (initially) should have been an "red" flag (not the Russian flagAstonished) but looking at all his followers, I can imagine that they (GOP, Trump lovers) are all from the "stupid" States and have no clue what the world around this island is all about. I watched the "contempt" hearing this morning; I've never seen such nonsense from the GOP side in my life. The best idea is to make Jordan President; then at least we will go much faster to hell. I hate the slow torture process which we are in now, until the Titanic will drown us all.

    The "captain" is no longer at the "helm" but in an rowboat searching for all his billions, which fell overboard.

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    Dockadams Wrote:

    Falsifying tax documents is a crime, but that's why trump has accountants, bookkeepers, and a host of tax lawyers for.

    It is highly likely that Trump will spend the rest of his life dealing with legal fights related to his taxes, and I estimate there is over a 90% chance that Trump will go down in history has first president convicted of federal crimes and state crimes, and actually spends time in prison for it. In the end, he will be pardoned due to his age once he is 80+, and for the most part a broke and broken man.

    His business tactics of suing won't work with the US government once he is out of office. In business, Trump ties people\businesses up in the court system to break them and\or make them go bankrupt. The US government has endless amount of $$$ and time, they can turn the tables on Trump because Donald Trump does not have endless amount of $$$$ or time. At best he can hope for is that he does not go broke and stays out of prison before he dies, that is his best scenario after his out of office. IMO, Trump is a dead man walking because he is only protected now because he is president, once the power of the presidency are no longer at his disposal, he will be powerless. His threats will mean nothing. Nobody will feel intimidated by what he might do as an ex-president. Trump is 100% pop culture, which translate into being social junk food, or just a fade that burns bright for a just a moment, only to be replaced by the next fade. Trump is sugar candy at best.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes I agree. Trump has spent his entire business life in the courts being sued or suing people. Mostly it's a delay strategy to out last the monetary resources of his opponents. It has worked for him in business and he is implementing that strategy again in opposing all subpoenas from Congress and blocking all testimony by his staff and sides as "executive privilege".

    Trump will be compared in history along side some of the worst despots. And he will be ranked worst than Nixon...the worst president ever. I expect to see him in an orange jump suit one day...but that may have to wait a few years.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Not to criticize you good folks on the forum, but I think that you're putting way too much faith or whatever it may be in our legal system. I happen to think trump will walk, he'll also be deceased before they'll be able to bring him into a court, let alone secure any convictions against him. Which is why I believe congress should impeach him for obstruction of justice.

    In a day he has blurred the fine line of the legal system (judicial-the DOJ) and the executive branch by ordering the DOJ to refuse to turn over the Mueller report to congress, by executive privilege. There has to be laws in place that states a presidential figure cannot do what trump is doing now. If anything, the congress should hold trump in contempt of the congress and the DOJ. Since we all know of his contempt for laws, and possibly even our constitution.

  • Independent
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    Yes Dock, your first line says it all:" ...... too much faith in our legal system" Yes our legal system is totally corrupted; as well polarized. Why did Trump want an Kavanaugh and an Gorsuch? The same applies throughout the legal system; there is barely any judge who's in the "middle". All of this is due to our convoluted antique laws as well case laws. No decent laws at all for Presidents and their limits of power. If any, then at least full with lots of lawyer cooked up loopholes, even in the old days.

    Due to this fact , if no one does something about it, then this country is doomed and will eventually be one in the row of banana republics. Wars will then become an "cover up" and excuse for the shit at "home" (as usual with this country) Ask Bolton.

    L'Histoire ce repette.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Maria Konnikova, The New Yorker, March 19, 2016: Donald Trump, Con Artist?

    Ms Konnikova wrote this article in March 2016 or eight months before Trump was elected. I think she perfectly nailed Trump as a con artist at the time. The "term con artist" has certain qualifying criteria as she explains, and Trump seems to meet them all. You should read the article for full substance, but I'll highlight a few points.

    "Con artists aren’t true believers; they are opportunists. Trump, as a con artist, would give up on politics the moment it stopped serving his purposes, moving on to the next thing that gave him the same level of attention and adulation.

    "Confidence men [con artist] know that the best way to achieve their desires is to tell people what they want to hear rather than what is true. The quickest way to gain a mark’s trust is to sell him a vision of the world as he wants, or believes, it to be.

    "Con artists don’t sell reality; they sell an illusion that their victims already want to believe.

    "Trump the con artist would knowingly use emotion to deceive and mislead, caring little about the words or the substance as long as he gets what he wants.

    "If Trump is indeed a con artist, and if he is, in the end, elected, we may end up not wanting to admit that we were scammed. At the moment [March 2016], Trump’s supporters see him as authentic and honest..."

    Konnikova asked the rhetorical question in 2016, "If Trump is indeed a con artist?" Well the verdict three years later is damn yes, he is a con artist. But for many voters, they still refuse to admit they were scammed.

    For those so interested, I recommend Konnikova's article to be fully read. I referenced her article in a blog post two years ago but felt with the attention of "con artist" in the news again by various politicians and pundits, it is worthwhile reading to fully appreciate what Trump really is.

  • Independent
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    The problem here is that people in the rural area's have no clue what an "con" is. They believe their preachers, the doctor and the "vet". ( They believe everything the "preacher" says; there starts the problem) Again it is the education in this country what is lacking, let alone how the world works. Regardless of cellphones, the internet etc. they don't absorb world reality. They go to Trumps rally's and find it entertainment, but never do any checking if his B.S. makes sense. His racism works because most of those communities are inbred "white" anyway and don't want "others" who don't look like them or behave differently. Sorry to say there are huge area's in which they don't accept foreigners, which Trump as an racist prays on. Even I get that feeling here in FL because I often speak Dutch with my wife; also in the street I live they must have spread the message that we are "foreigners"; sorry I've got an US passport; my wife is still Dutch, as well I speak about 4 languages. The "con" game is nothing new, especially in the big cities; nowadays also on the phone. Only trump makes an real "sport" of it; he even cheats at golf. But yeah, who cares about that in the middle of "soybean" country. It all is happening outside their standard of living.

    Thus the biggest problem is : how can you educate people in those area's about the effect of electing an "con-man"?

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