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How the 2020 election can evolve into disaster.


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    you make up stuff about me like your saying : "Be sure to tell all your Bernie or bust friends that." Then I can say whatever I want about you. You are a moderator so you make the rules. I'm just following your lead.

    Try your research technique on the straw that broke the camel's back and you might be able to see the error in blaming Bernie or busters for Hillary's loss.

    Now there are two things that I think you said that you say you didnt. I'll see if I can find time to look them up.

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    Yes all you guys; the title of this thread was: "How this all could end up in disaster" Sure you all "proved" it:-P
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    And you are basing your data on the same people that lied to pollsters making it look like Hillary was ahead when she wasn't. You know what Judge Judy says about liars? Lie to me once and I don't believe anything you say. Sorry, your data is compromised.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: And you are basing your data on the same people that lied to pollsters making it look like Hillary was ahead when she wasn't. You know what Judge Judy says about liars? Lie to me once and I don't believe anything you say. Sorry, your data is compromised.

    Yes Chet, have you ever seen an bigger mess? Do you still trust our government? Do you believe the 10000 plus lies of Trump? Did the Mueller report solve anything? May be ask Judge Judy what she things about "justice" in this country.

    Sorry Dem's, fighting the "mob" takes more than"words" or "paper"

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    Dutch Wrote: Yes all you guys; the title of this thread was: "How this all could end up in disaster" Sure you all "proved" it:-P

    I think it’s quite relevant to talk about Bernie or busters potentially fucking everything up yet again, especially since they still haven’t accepted any responsibility for overruling the will of the American people in 2016.

    It’s their way or the highway and I have zero doubt they would choose the highway once again if their dear leader isn’t anointed king of America.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Yes all you guys; the title of this thread was: "How this all could end up in disaster" Sure you all "proved" it:-P

    I think it’s quite relevant to talk about Bernie or busters potentially fucking everything up yet again, especially since they still haven’t accepted any responsibility for overruling the will of the American people in 2016.

    It’s their way or the highway and I have zero doubt they would choose the highway once again if their dear leader isn’t anointed king of America.

    My way or the highway is your ultimatum and warning for Bernie. You are already presupposing a scenario that any body but Bernie is the only choice for the Democratic Party. Bernie has defined the candidate for 2020. Anybody that wins the nomination with a moderate centrist position will be eaten alive by Trump. Trump will take the far left progressive position calling for free universal healthcare. Anything less from a Democratic candidate will be ridiculed off the stage by Trump. Trump is already on record calling for healthcare for everybody . Can't pay doesn't matter they will still get healthcare.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: I quit. I'm not going to vote anymore, Biden turns my stomach, and the rest of the candidates are a field of idiots.
    Not voting is a vote for Trump.
    Just do what republicans do, support the nominee.

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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: I quit. I'm not going to vote anymore, Biden turns my stomach, and the rest of the candidates are a field of idiots.
    Not voting is a vote for Trump.
    Just do what republicans do, support the nominee.
    If we followed the Republican there would be no discussions on this forum. The Republicans have and do take care of their constituents. We fight about how much to do for our constituents and the Republicans do everything possible for their people.
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    Brad Parscale and Lara Trump were in Arizona this week to drum up support for the soon-to-be impeached president. They were in Phoenix last night, after a morning rally in my home town of Tucson .(I didn't go to see them).

    Here's some telling comments from their visit in Phoenix :

    In Arizona, Parscale downplayed the impeachment proceedings as a politically motivated sideshow while working to motivate the 100 or so local Republicans who gathered for a get-out-the-vote field effort, dubbed the Trump Victory Leadership Initiative training.

    During a closed-door training, the room full of volunteers learned how to speak to voters in their precincts about Trump's accomplishments, from construction on his signature border wall to job growth and his conservative judicial nominees.

    Ahead of the training, Parscale warned a Republican loss could result in Democrats taking away their guns and foisting "big government socialized medicine" on them

    Democrats see Trump’s potential weakness in the state as an opening to give them their best shot at not just capturing the state since Bill Clinton’s win in 1996, but also seizing the Senate seat now held by Republican Sen. Martha McSally.

    Republicans gathered for the training Thursday said the impeachment efforts have only galvanized their support for the president.

    Lynn Perry, a reverend from Scottsdale, called the proceedings "ridiculous." "I know that our God has put Trump in office," Perry, 72, said. "In fact, it's going to backfire."

    Trump’s campaign and the RNC have spent more than $10 million for a campaign to respond to the impeachment effort. Dubbed “Stop the Madness," the campaign is intended to target House Democrats who side with the impeachment efforts.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/11/22/arizona-trump-loyalists-rally-campaign-manager-brad-parscale/4263589002/

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    Arizona, your thread shows exactly what an naive bunch of idiots these people are; but yeah if they get it their way, forget this country. It will end up worse than Russia; they will be standing in the food lines with their non existing food stamps when this country is down the drain. But yeah they deserve it, if they think that way. Please ask "god" to sent an e-mail to that stupid bitch, I will sign it, ha ha. I guess Putin had to call a doctor, because he just about died from laughing about this country.
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    Dutch:

    When Trump went to one of his never-ending rallies earlier this year, Parscale had commissioned posters and t-shirts that said, "socialism sucks". He's obviously a poor student of history, since we have had a "big government socialized medicine" program in this country for quite a while.

    See the source image

    It's called Medicare.

    Is Medicare more efficient than private insurance?

    It depends on who you ask. If you ask an organization that actually provides medical care, the answer us yes:

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/about/Crossroads/06_13_03.html

    If you are an organization that proudly pushes market based programs, the answer is "no".

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/06/30/the-myth-of-medicares-low-administrative-costs/#6598a988140d

    Personally, I think that Johns Hopkins has the most accurate answer.

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    Just wait till all these young kids get illnesses like cancer, Tb, or tumors etc. I don't think they will be able to pay our rip off health industry without "social insurance"; just wait if the stupid people here re-elect Trump, forget social coverage, because likely he wants that "money" for his trips costing the taxpayer a billion by now.

    My heart attack did cost over 55K; if I would have had to pay that out of own resources then I would be a lot poorer.

    But yeah here they follow the person who can scream the loudest. What a country.

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    I agree with the John Hopkins analysis. The only thing I would add is that not all doctors will take Medicare patients and those that do also have a sizable quantity of healthy private policy patients. There is a significant difference in cost reimbursements to care providers for a Medicare patient versus a private care (including employers) patients. In effect the private care patients subsidize the Medicare patients. This is most relevant in many rural areas where hospitals are closing because they have too many Medicare/Medicaid patients and not enough private care patients to cover their costs. If and when we go to a Medicare for all Bernie style the problem will be exasperated if all care providers are forced to Medicare reimbursement rates. Rationing of care will be unavoidable.
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    Just wait until Trump gets his second term; he certainly wants to get then victory with Trump care, which will be an disaster because "the money" will not be there, because the deficit is now well over 23 TRILLION, thus he'll need some money to reduce it, but instead will due to his own waste and stupidity increase the debt. Sorry people forget health care in a second term.

    But yeah even the Dem's have no idea at all about health care and refuse to copy Europe, let alone Canada. Stupid and arrogant is the message.

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    Due to the fact that the Republicans control the senate, it's unlikely that Trump will get removed from office, which means he would be the Republican candidate for president in 2020.

    One interesting twist is that he just said that he is considering skipping the 2020 TV debates because he thinks the moderators are all against him - a theme that he has used before. During the 2016 presidential campaign Trump complained that moderators in his debates with Hillary Clinton were biased, and he boycotted a Fox News GOP primary debate over a dispute with its moderator Megyn Kelly.

    The madness continues ............

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-considers-2020-presidential-debate-boycott-sees-moderator-bias-2019-12?fbclid=IwAR1BTbcWBnbpWq8MRuzAfV5O8foDJR4F3gqWioTGQ06kDtB1JjQsFkigllA