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    People in France are stunned; the "money" promised for the "rebuilt" has now exceeded "one billion Euro's" ; no wonder the Catholics all get an place in (an non-existence) Heaven. But yeah try to get that amount for an Tsunami or another disaster (forget it).

    And such only for an murderous "church" which used to burn "witches" alive at the same spot. I think humanity's "common sense" is going downhill in a hurry; as well it shows that the "rich" are way too rich and don't care where the money goes as long as it shows how religious they are and if it will boost their prestige.

    It is time the "poor rise up" and claim their fair share living in the same world. Buildings are "dead" material" ' "humans" are not.

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    This seems a bit harsh. I understand your anger directed at organized religion and its role in perpetuating unspeakable violence for millennia, but even I couldn't help but feel sorrow as I watched the famed cathedral being ravaged by flames.

    Notre Dame is a architectural masterpiece that took nearly 200 years to build. That's almost as long as the entire history of the United States. It's been standing for 616 years longer than the United States has been a country.

    Organized religion and humankind have shared a nearly unbreakable bond for millennia. Any major building built throughout Europe for hundreds and hundreds of years was either for the church or for the king. The same can be said to varying degrees all throughout the world.

    Do you feel disgust when you walk past the Royal Palace of Amsterdam or the Noordeinde Palace when you're back home in the Netherlands or do you just accept that a religious monarchy was and still is a part of your nations history?

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    This seems a bit harsh. I understand your anger directed at organized religion and its role in perpetuating unspeakable violence for millennia, but even I couldn't help but feel sorrow as I watched the famed cathedral being ravaged by flames.

    Notre Dame is a architectural masterpiece that took nearly 200 years to build. That's almost as long as the entire history of the United States.

    Organized religion and humankind have shared a nearly unbreakable bond for millennia. Any major building built throughout Europe for hundreds and hundreds of years was either for the church or for the king.

    Do you feel disgust when you walk past the Royal Palace of Amsterdam or the Noordeinde Palace when you're back home in the Netherlands or do you just accept that a religious monarchy was and still is a part of your nations history?

    Jared, I myself have plenty of antiques going back to 1100; as well an French "bronze" of Joan of Arc. I respect culture and "art", but not super rich religious "hypocrites" who only show how much "money" they can "miss". That is the point I'm making. I hope you understand this.
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I myself have plenty of antiques going back to 1100; as well an French "bronze" of Joan of Arc. I respect culture and "art", but not super rich religious "hypocrites" who only show how much "money" they can "miss". That is the point I'm making. I hope you understand this.
    We're certainly on the same page there.
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    It was a terribly sad event. If they only had 3 dozen of those huge flying water tankers that potus suggested.

    Seriously though, I wish them well in recovering from this sad moment of loss.

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    Sorry but "water bombers" work well on fires in "nature", but don't work on super delicate buildings like this. Since this building dates from 1300, then the utmost care has to be taken to get the fire out by well pointed spray as well "water down" certain sections to prevent it from burning as well . That is what the French firemen did with an precise "plan" to limit the damage, it was an super excellent job; which you never can do such with an "water bomber" because you can't do such "precise" dropping from the air at speed. ( An helicopter would only make things worse and "fan" the flames while dropping its load.)

    Again in this case our "super uneducated asshole" had it wrong again!!

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    Furthermore "climate change" came into the "picture" The roofing "beams" were made of very tall straight trees cut in 1300. Those trees are no longer available; the cause: "climate change" and "deforestation" . Yes, people and their carbon emission are the cause.
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    Trump knows something about fire control, that's why he rejected the idea of automatic sprinklers in Trump tower in NYC.

    ny.curbed.com/2018/4/9/17215222/trump-t...

    Maybe French officials might think about this during proposed reconstruction?

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    All goes back to:

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    Matthew 26:11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always ...

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    You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me. English Standard Version For you always have the poor wit

    Doesn't say anything about getting the rich to help, just an excuse to punish the poor.

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    There are some good reasons why we should feel solidarity with the French:

    https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2019/04/we-are-all-french_19.html

    If you are really smart, you can also read this article in French:

    https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2019/04/nous-sommes-tous-francais.html

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    Arizona, an excellent piece; especially about the "separation of church and State" it is time they do the same thing here. Also to put the churches under State property and then tax them would be a great idea. But yeah here they are 300 years behind with France. Every American should read this article.

    If this country would have been smart then we would not have all the "shit" we are in now. Let alone that the "evangelicals" determine who runs the government.

    Here is part of it, quote:

    Before the French Revolution, Catholicism was the state religion of France. Due to the passage of the Declarations of the Right of Man in 1789, the Jules Ferry Laws of the 1880’s, and the 1905 French Law on the Separation of Churches and the State, France today is decidedly secular. Although Catholicism is still the dominant Christian religion, the main religion of France (at 39.6%) is “no religion”. Even among Catholics, only 5% attend mass on Sunday. Ironically, one of the effects of the 1905 law, which separated church from state, is that the state gained ownership of all the churches that were built before that year, which means that Notre Dame cathedral actually belongs to the nation of France and not to the archdiocese of Paris.


    According to a Eurobarometer survey conducted in 2010, 27% of French citizens responded that they "believe there is a God", 27% answered that they "believe there is some sort of spirit or life force", and 40% answered that they "do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force". This makes France one of the most irreligious countries in the world.

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    Yellowvests burning Paris, because notre dame received millions in donations and is not helping their own people? Sounds familiar-USA.
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    Dockadams Wrote: Yellowvests burning Paris, because notre dame received millions in donations and is not helping their own people? Sounds familiar-USA.

    Yes I saw that as well; it is exactly according to this thread I started with. Indeed I've not seen the same here, but it is about that here the "rich" don't spent it on an "old" cathedral but an "newer" Trump; now already 30 million, which may grow to at least a 100 million. Yes the "oligarchs" here are not different then in France. The only difference is that people here don't revolt (yet)

    Like I said; the rich (all over the world) seem to have so much money, that they don't know what to do with it. But like here rather spent it on the Trump "mob", so they can get even richer.