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    Sure, but I bet he will not be chosen. Trump will make sure of it. As well the GOP and all the "evangelicals". Brains don't count in this country. As long as the "voting" and "vetting" system stays the same, then the result will also stay the same as it is now. If I was Pete, I would move to another country where they "appreciate" brains and common sense.
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    We've discussed Mayor Pete in other posts, but yesterday he was attacked by Lawrence O'Donnell on Buttigiegs's statement that "Democrats do not care enough about deficits". This hit a hot button for O'Donnell who accused Buttigieg of being ignorant or a liar. In typical O'Donnell fashion he went on and on about the point blasting Buttigieg. You can watch yourself at the link below.

    MSNBC, Lawrence O'Donnell: Pete Buttigieg and the Republican lie

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    I should note that I have not heard Bernie Sanders making any statements on budget deficits, but he of course has had Modern Monetary Theorist, Stephanie Kelton, as one of his economic advisors. Likewise Elizabeth Warren who has a spending plan for everything seldom mentions deficits.

    And contrary to what O'Donnell implies, Democrats in Congress lost the 2010 election not because of the deficit issue but rather because of the Affordable Care Act. Republicans won the messaging on that issue.

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    Pete just did a marvelous interview in Las Vegas on Monday of this week.

    Two classic lines in his interview were these:

    “And, look, I mean, the idea of the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump lecturing anybody on family values,” the Democratic presidential nominee said to applause ...

    “I mean, I’m sorry, but one thing about my marriage is it’s never involved me having to send hush money to a porn star after cheating on my spouse with him or her,” he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/19/pete-buttigieg-trump-rush-limbaugh-reaction

    My wife sent the video to one of her conservative relatives, with the comment, " I would love to see him debate Trump!"

    The response she got back was "Saten (sic) is working overtime ... don't let him draw you in .... "

    The official position of the Catholic church, of course, is opposition to homosexuality:

    "Homosexual behaviour has consistently been declared immoral by the Roman Catholic Church on the basis of certain passages in the Bible and a moral tradition supported by natural law reasoning. The most recent Church teaching affirms that homosexual behaviour is always objectively disordered, and as a result never morally acceptable. Since the Church’s Teaching on homosexuality is based in part on the Bible, we should start by looking at the biblical evidence."

    http://www.catholicstandardgh.com/the-position-of-the-catholic-church-on-homosexuality.html

    The statement above overlooks one very important fact, and that is that there are a number of priests who are homosexual. The Guardian, a very reliable news source states that 80% of the priests at the Vatican are gay, although they are not necessarily sexually active.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/12/four-in-five-vatican-priests-are-gay-book-claims

    At the parish and diocese is estimated to be 30%.

    https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/7340/are-between-20-50-of-catholic-priests-homosexual

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    The Washington Post published a good article today about Pete. It was titled, "Trump is macho.Pete is stoic".
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    Bob Moser, Washington Post, February 21, 2020: Trump is macho. Buttigieg is stoic. Who wins the contest of American manliness?

    Arizona --- Thanks for the Guardian article on the Pete Buttigieg article. I posted the link to your referenced WP article above as it is a good one written from the perspective of a gay man, Bob Moser. Mayor Pete handles his homosexuality well. I'm sure he has thought about all the one liners in advance, and they do resonate with much of the public except those so religiously inclined. And most of those are Republicans who would never vote for a Democrat anyway.

    Anyway, while I think Buttigieg would be one of the best debaters against Trump, he first has to negotiate the crazy emotions of the Democratic primary process. Pete as "stoic" has a ring similar to "no drama Obama", but in the realm of the emotionally driven and hyperventilating Democratic electorate desperate to find someone to beat Trump, they are not thinking critically. I thought Mayor Pete was a calm voice of reason on the Nevada debate stage, but it seems that the pundits and the Me Too Movement were more enamored by Elizabeth Warren's endless and angry attacks on Bloomberg. As Moser writes: "Buttigieg’s super-composed exterior can be a disadvantage in a party primary race, where passion and “relatability” are appealing."

    Anger certainly has its place on the debate stage when used sparingly, but when it is overdone for the full two hours of the debate it can define the candidate. I'm sure Trump will find another descriptive adjective to place on front of Warren's name, just like he has done for all the candidates. Then there is "Crazy Bernie" as Trump calls him. He was even more angry -- red in the face angry at times -- on the debate stage for a guy who recently had a heart attack. I have heard every line of Bernie's "stump speech" a thousand times. And it seems he is always angry...always. I just don't want that in my president.

    I do appreciate, however, that anger resonates with a big chunk of the electorate -- those who are marginalized by inequality and race and are also angry. Bernie capitalizes on that by playing the "anger card" much the same as Trump capitalizes on stoking anger for his rabid base. It says something about society when anger trumps calmness. I don't want an angry president at the helm when confronted with a national emergency at 3:00 am.

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    Yes Schmidt, an total correct analyses. Indeed Pete at least keeps "its cool", Bernie is indeed "angry" and therefore ready for the next heart attack. We need someone with an cool head and "international" trained brains who is able to "unite" all the people in this country, as well is able to strengthen our partnerships in the world and is not an "me only" type like Trump.

    Too bad but there is not one candidate who fits this quality. As I've said so many times this is the most uneducated/naive country in the world related to governing, so what do you expect from the average voter?

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    I actually know people who would not vote for mayor Pete because he is a homosexual, but consider these facts:

    Adultery is one of the most frequently and severely condemned sins in the Bible. Adultery is mentioned 52 times, including in the Ten Commandments, all four Gospels, and ten other books of the Bible.

    Only the sins of idolatry, self-righteousness and murder are mentioned more often.

    You shall not commit adultery. (NIV, Exodus 20:14)
    But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself. (NIV, Proverbs 6:32)
    For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile.” (NRSV, Matthew 15:19–20)
    And a certain ruler questioned Him, saying, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments, 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother.'" (NAS, Luke 18:18-20)
    Let marriage be held in honor by all, and let the marriage bed be kept undefiled; for God will judge fornicators and adulterers. (NRSV, Hebrews 13:4

    https://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_adultery.htm#:~:text=Adultery%20is%20mentioned%2052%20times%2C%20including%20in%20the,You%20shall%20not%20commit%20adultery.%20%28NIV%2C%20Exodus%2020%3A14%29

    Given the fierce rhetoric Christians often employ when talking about homosexuality, there are really only seven passages in the Bible that refer directly to homosexual behavior, and none of them are associated with Jesus. Compare that to the more than 250 verses on the proper use of wealth or more than 300 on our responsibility to care for the poor and work for justice, and you appreciate quickly that homosexuality was not exactly a major theme of the Bible.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-does-the-bible-reall_b_990444

    One of our card playing friends (when we were still able to play cards) gave he opinion that Trump was the most Biblical president that we have ever had - which, of course, is nonsense.

    Yet, millions of so-called Christians voted for a man who was, and is, a serial adulterer. The same group is all in favor of cutting food stamp benefits, and other programs that help the least fortunate among us.

    Although Trump probably never murdered anyone, it's obvious by now that his incompetence caused thousands of unnecessary deaths.

    As Garry Trudeau pointed out yesterday, Trump is utterly unconcerned about the people who died from COVID:

    https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2021/01/17

    Self righteous? That's Trump - in spades.

    Idolatry?

    Remember when the Egyptians worshipped a golden calf? Trump's gold calf is money, and here is visual proof:

    See the source image

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    Only a str8 or a religious nut with closed minds believe homosexuality is adultery or a sin. Even to this day and age, there are still people out here who believe homosexuals are pedophiles, and we know that's false. Maybe the Biden administration can roll back Trump's E.O.'s banning people based on sexual orientation. There are so many of Trump's E.O.'s that can be overturned, where to start...

    Most of the pedophiles we know of have affiliations with churches and religion.

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    Arizona, your "thread" above mentioned: "Although Trump probably never murdered anyone", I find that a bit not true.

    He certainly did "order" the murder of Epstein and Khashokki and likely the Deutsche Bank executive as well Gingsburg. Furthermore he did not care about the 400,000 death because of the virus. No he's not "clean" at all. Let alone the kids at the border and their dilemma. Some of them died too.

    It is easy to "murder" from a distance and make sure it can't be traced.

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    Pete Buttigieg will face his confirmation hearing on Thursday, the same day the two new Georgia Senators will be sworn in giving the Senate control to Democrats. In any case, Buttigieg is a non-controversial nominee for Transportation Secretary and should get easy confirmation.