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    Other than an unexpected occurrence here is how to beat Trump. Consider a very loving devoted wife and mother of 8 loving devoted respectful kids. Whatever it would take to get those kids believing there was a plan of action that celebrated and honored and respected the mother by taking her place is what is needed. I tried in early 2015 to explain the unqualified compelling attraction that Trump supporters had for Trump. The only way to displace him is to surpass him in his promises . It is well within the scope of the Democratic Party to try and do the best for the working poor. The only roadblock is the narrow minded conservative trend of the party powerful. Don't forget that a year ago we thought we were going to sweep both houses. Hindsight appears to be blind with the Democratic Hierarchy.
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    There needs to be a democrat that can lie his ass off. Oh, and insult people too.
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    Dockadams Wrote: There needs to be a democrat that can lie his ass off. Oh, and insult people too.

    A Democrat doesn't have to lie his ass off to promise the middle-class their heritage they have been legislated out of for the last 60 years. This country belongs to every citizen. Wealth shouldn't be negotiated away and then honor the negotiators like masters. It isn't enough for people to be wealthy. To realize their wealth they need to see people suffer.

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    Democratic Hub: Democrats' winning strategy for 2020

    "The Democratic Party strategy for winning the presidency and Congress in 2020 should follow the same formula that won them 40 additional House seats in the 2018 election – make health care the number 1 issue, support broad based likeable candidates, and target independents and moderate Republicans in purple and red states and districts. Moderate Democrats, many of them women and people of color, were the largest factor in flipping 40 Republican held seats to give Democrats a huge majority in the House of Representatives. They will also be the key to winning in 2020."

    Bernie Sanders is indeed playing the Trump game...promises, promises, promises. But it candidates like him who invite cynicism of the system when they cannot deliver on their promises. And Sanders con game on the Medicare for all act is slowly being revealed for what it is...Bernie's socialist dream full of false assertions. When people find out what's in his plan, their support drops dramatically. Bernie cannot cover up that fact all the way through the convention and to November 2020. He is playing the con game on health care and the people will find out.

    Lying to the American people to win a vote is not something that is sustainable. Honesty is preferred over subterfuge, and that's why Sanders tactics so remind me of Trump tactics. They both drink from the same trough.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: There needs to be a democrat that can lie his ass off. Oh, and insult people too.

    A Democrat doesn't have to lie his ass off to promise the middle-class their heritage they have been legislated out of for the last 60 years. This country belongs to every citizen. Wealth shouldn't be negotiated away and then honor the negotiators like masters. It isn't enough for people to be wealthy. To realize their wealth they need to see people suffer.

    Yes Chet, I agree. It is time that this country wakes up and open their eyes wide about what is happening to this country. The things where this country stood for are piece by piece abolished. No more more morals, honesty, integrity or feelings for the poor or helpless people. The motto right now is "grab" what you can and don't care about others. Egoism is blooming, ask Trump.

    I agree with the Schmidt post; that lying or cheating is not the way to go; their must be other means than that. However "fascists" are hard to eradicate as we found out in WWII.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: There needs to be a democrat that can lie his ass off. Oh, and insult people too.

    A Democrat doesn't have to lie his ass off to promise the middle-class their heritage they have been legislated out of for the last 60 years. This country belongs to every citizen. Wealth shouldn't be negotiated away and then honor the negotiators like masters. It isn't enough for people to be wealthy. To realize their wealth they need to see people suffer.

    Sure they have to lie, how the hell do you think Sanders is getting followers to his cause?

    Healthcare might be the top issue or platform for democrats in 2020, but the GOP is going to run on how really, really good the economy is and how badly we need to close the US/Mexican border, which will make many people vote for the status quo again.

    There is a need right now for a lying democrat who can insult other demographics without repercussions. Trump got away with it, my party of democrats should be able to pull off some wins with my suggestions. We simply just need to find the right son of a bitch to do it.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Democratic Hub: Democrats' winning strategy for 2020

    "The Democratic Party strategy for winning the presidency and Congress in 2020 should follow the same formula that won them 40 additional House seats in the 2018 election – make health care the number 1 issue, support broad based likeable candidates, and target independents and moderate Republicans in purple and red states and districts. Moderate Democrats, many of them women and people of color, were the largest factor in flipping 40 Republican held seats to give Democrats a huge majority in the House of Representatives. They will also be the key to winning in 2020."

    Bernie Sanders is indeed playing the Trump game...promises, promises, promises. But it candidates like him who invite cynicism of the system when they cannot deliver on their promises. And Sanders con game on the Medicare for all act is slowly being revealed for what it is...Bernie's socialist dream full of false assertions. When people find out what's in his plan, their support drops dramatically. Bernie cannot cover up that fact all the way through the convention and to November 2020. He is playing the con game on health care and the people will find out.

    Lying to the American people to win a vote is not something that is sustainable. Honesty is preferred over subterfuge, and that's why Sanders tactics so remind me of Trump tactics. They both drink from the same trough.

    Schmidt, If the people get behind Bernie, electing him and both houses with Democrats then Medicare and health care for everybody would be a reality. You sound like you are opposed to free healthcare for people that can't afford it. I know you are opposed to free education because you have stated many times how important "having some skin in the game " is. It is not fair to criticize Bernie for trying to right all the wrongs.

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    Chet -- I am a pragmatist. Bernie's Medicare for All Act has about as much chance of becoming law as sending a team to Mars by 2030. It ain't going to happen.

    I am for affordable universal heath care for everyone, and Democrats have put forth eight plans. Why are you so fixated only on BernieCare? Is it because everything is "free"? There is no such thing as free. And I don't care if every House and Senate member gets 100 percent behind BernieCare. It still will not pass the Republican controlled Senate. That's the reality that you just cannot accept.

    Bernie has his passionate base of supporters that are not unlike the Trump base of passionate supporters. It's the people in-between those two extremes that make for a functioning government with compromises. Not the ideological extremes who seem to lack understanding of basic civics and what it takes to get legislation passed.

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    "Why are you so fixated only on BernieCare?"

    Right now under the ACA thousands of people die everyday because they can't afford medicine or healthcare. Being a pragmatist is no excuse for all the suffering and misery for people who can't afford to live.

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    Schmidt isn't our president yet, but he is being candid and logical.
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    Looking at the total picture at present, then I've got no idea at all how all of this ends. First of all there are more and more candidates popping up. Second where do the "end" runners stand for?. Third it is still a year and three quarters before any election takes place. A lot of things will have changed by then.

    I see all kinds of "fantastic" plans about healthcare or taxing the rich, but none will be realized as long as "loads" of money gets injected into the elections. It is totally laughable that they discuss on TV who raised the most "money"; I've never seen that at the elections in Europe. If "elections" are "bought", then "brains" are not needed to "win", but only an candidate which suits the rich and powerful as well the lobbyists used by them . Which means that the "rich" and "powerful" determine who's the best candidate; thus not the normal or poor person.

    Guess how we've got Trump and other crooks like McConnell, Barr etc.

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    Schmidt said:

    " I am a pragmatist. Bernie's Medicare for All Act has about as much chance of becoming law as sending a team to Mars by 2030. It ain't going to happen"

    Schmidt, You are overlooking the most important benefit Bernie has to offer. His taxing certain Wall Street activities is a clue. Bernie will shift investing from making money by finesse to making money by producing things to sell. That will create prosperity and an income tax revenue that will fund all the human rights obligation a country has for its citizens . There should be no objection from you that Bernie will turn out financial operation back into a good and services economy . Your objection to my harsh criticism of the CFMA shows you are willing to let money be made for the sake of making money. That is not capitalism and we have not had capitalism for a long time. The proof is that stocks are valued more for their resale value than for their earnings. Collecting and stagnating huge fortunes is not capitalism . That is simply greedy plutocratic finessing money out of capitalism. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism is not profit taking from IPOs. Capitalism is producing goods for sale.

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    Dockadams Wrote: Schmidt isn't our president yet, but he is being candid and logical.
    He is totally overlooking Bernie putting the country to work selling products and generating tax revenue. Schmidt appears to approve the current financial system allowing a few people to manipulate huge fortunes out of the economy . Spending is the life of an economy. Hoarding is death to an economy .
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    High marginal income tax rates produce prosperity. Directly contradicting the lie that high income tax cuts produce prosperity .

    If High Taxes In The '50s And '60s Produced Good Growth, Then Let's ...

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    prosperity in the us was accompanied by high marginal income tax rates from www.forbes.com

    Jun 10, 2015 · And those decades had high tax rates, strong unions, lots of government interference [...] ... And in general economic theory tells us that high taxes ...

    Bernie and left wing ideas will produce prosperity and harmony and peace . Quit drinking the right wing Kool Aid that interprets good things to be bad.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "Why are you so fixated only on BernieCare?"

    Right now under the ACA thousands of people die everyday because they can't afford medicine or healthcare. Being a pragmatist is no excuse for all the suffering and misery for people who can't afford to live.

    The Affordable Care Act as passed into law in 2010 was much more expansive on the number of people covered. However, Republicans started immediately sabotaging it. Yes it needs fixing and expansion. I like the proposal to add a public option especially for those in rural areas with less choice. In any case, the problem of health care for low income people has been addressed with Medicaid.

    From Wikipedia: "Medicaid is the largest source of funding for medical and health-related services for people with low income in the United States, providing free health insurance to 74 million low-income and disabled people (23% of Americans) as of 2017. Medicaid is a joint federal-state program that provides health coverage or nursing home coverage to certain categories of low-asset people, including children, pregnant women, parents of eligible children, people with disabilities and elderly needing nursing home care. Medicaid was created to help low-asset people who fall into one of these eligibility categories "pay for some or all of their medical bills.""

    However, the provision in the Affordable Care Act to expand Medicaid even further was one of the provisions sabotaged by Republicans. If you live in one of those states that opted out of expanded Medicaid, well then you have a problem. Blame your Congressmen and governor and not the ACA itself.

    But another reality is that right now there are not enough care givers, particularly in dying rural communities, as hospitals are closing and old doctors and nurses are retiring. BernieCare will only aggravate the situation because as health care will be a government monopoly, Bernie will cut costs by controlling the fees for services of health care providers to be more in line with the current Medicare prescribed rates. As a Medicare patient, I have to wait almost two months for an annual wellness appointment, and perhaps weeks to see a specialist. That wait will become much longer once Bernie makes everything free, and people will be flooding the doctors' office for every minor ailment.

    The bigger question that doesn't seem to get the attention that it needs is the prospect of care rationing. We've discussed this in other threads, but we are not adding enough care givers to keep up with the population growth and particularly the aging baby boomers who tend to have more needs than the younger population.

    I wish Bernie would address the care giver issue and the reality of health care rationing, now and in the future, no matter whether BernieCare is approved or the Affordable Care Act is expanded.

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