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can we talk about windmills for a minute?

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    Trying to pick out the dumbest remarks made by Trump is a very difficult task, since there are literally thousands of them. However, I'm of the opinion that his comments about windmills have to be near the top.


    Both Trevor Noah and Seth Meyers had some good commentary about the topic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqAe41QTUec (Trevor Noah)

    Seth Meyers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Kl8kheGBg&list=PLJaq64dKJZoqsh7PGGUi-SARV4wUz_lVa

    Perhaps the best part of this clip is the unhinged rant by Judge Jeanine.

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Trying to pick out the dumbest remarks made by Trump is a very difficult task, since there are literally thousands of them. However, I'm of the opinion that his comments about windmills have to be near the top.


    Both Trevor Noah and Seth Meyers had some good commentary about the topic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqAe41QTUec (Trevor Noah)

    Seth Meyers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Kl8kheGBg&list=PLJaq64dKJZoqsh7PGGUi-SARV4wUz_lVa

    Perhaps the best part of this clip is the unhinged rant by Judge Jeanine.

    The biggest "wind" bag is Trump himself; they had windmills in the Netherlands since 1300; they make no noise, kill no birds, and don't make anyone crazy except our President. Alone for this he belongs in the "looney" house.
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    Dutch:

    Jared summed up this whole topic pretty well when he referenced the fact that Trump is a babbling fool.

    Holland is famous for its windmills, even though the total number in the country (1300) is dwarfed by the number we have in the United States.

    The first way to measure is just by looking at the "traditional" wind mills similar to what you'd find in Holland. They go back as far as 1612, when the first one was erected in Virginia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_windmills_in_the_United_States

    None of the windmills listed above, though, are part of the huge windmill farms that dot the country. The biggest ones are in California, but the list does not even include the San Gorgonio Pass wind farm near Palm Springs, which has over 3000 units. The interesting thing about the farm near Palm Springs is that it was a joint venture project with Exxon Mobil. The refinery and storage facility works in tandem with the wind farm to utilize the energy created in the necessary processes in the refinery process.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_farms_in_the_United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gorgonio_Pass_wind_farm

    During his rambling speech recently in Grand Rapids, Trump said "I know a lot about wind ".

    Sure you do, Donald. Now just sit quietly while we strap you into this chair.

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    If a hurricane wiped out mara lago, he would definitely know a lot about wind, he'd file an insurance claim and then file bankruptcy again.

    Scientists estimate the number of birds killed by cars and trucks on the nation's highways to be 50 to 100 million a year. Those statistics were cited in reports published by the National Institute for Urban Wildlife and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. currykerlinger.com/birds.htm

    flickr.com/photos/66673048@N06/81034100...

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    You can browse wind energy projects by state with this interactive map. Colorado's number may seem higher and that's because in 2004 voters approved a renewable energy standard requiring electricity utilities to obtain an increasing percentage of their power from renewable energy sources by certain dates. In a sense it is continuing wind turbine infrastructure project mandated by voter approved laws. However, most of our energy still comes from burning fossil fuels...half from coal. We have a long way to go yet.
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Dutch:

    Jared summed up this whole topic pretty well when he referenced the fact that Trump is a babbling fool.

    Holland is famous for its windmills, even though the total number in the country (1300) is dwarfed by the number we have in the United States.

    The first way to measure is just by looking at the "traditional" wind mills similar to what you'd find in Holland. They go back as far as 1612, when the first one was erected in Virginia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_windmills_in_the_United_States

    None of the windmills listed above, though, are part of the huge windmill farms that dot the country. The biggest ones are in California, but the list does not even include the San Gorgonio Pass wind farm near Palm Springs, which has over 3000 units. The interesting thing about the farm near Palm Springs is that it was a joint venture project with Exxon Mobil. The refinery and storage facility works in tandem with the wind farm to utilize the energy created in the necessary processes in the refinery process.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_farms_in_the_United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gorgonio_Pass_wind_farm

    During his rambling speech recently in Grand Rapids, Trump said "I know a lot about wind ".

    Sure you do, Donald. Now just sit quietly while we strap you into this chair.

    Arizona, sorry you read it wrong; there are not 1300 windmills in Holland, I meant the "year" 1300, they are that old! They used these for water level management, milling wheat, with an huge grinding stone etc.. Most mills were also inhabited

    By the way in the Netherlands they have huge modern "wind farms" with an huge success, because they have no oil in the ground so they get their energy that way.

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    Dutch:

    You are correct. According to the government website, the windmills go back to the 14th century. Surprisingly, there are actually LESS than 1300 windmills in the country. The government website estimates about 1000.

    https://www.holland.com/global/tourism/discover-holland/traditional/functions-of-windmills-in-holland.htm

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    Schmidt:

    Without doing a lot of research, my guess would be that quite a few states have passed laws similar to the one the was passed in Colorado. In 2006, Arizona's Corporate Commission issued a rule that would require utilities to get 15% of their power from renewable sources by 2015:

    https://www.azcc.gov/divisions/utilities/electric/environmental.asp

    Since Arizona gets more sunshine than any other state, a proposition was on the ballot last year (Prop 127) that would have raised that percentage to 50% by 2013. The "promo" is listed below:

    https://cleanhealthyaz.com/

    The largest utility in the state (APS) spent $30 million to defeat the proposition, and it got voted down by a large margin. APS's profit in 2017, incidentally, was $488 million, so many of us felt like we were being taken advantage of by a large corporation.

    However, the defeat of Prop 127 is not the disaster that we all feared. Due to the fact that the prices of storage batteries have gone down substantially, APS will be investing nearly $1 billion in batteries in order to INCREASE its use of renewable energy. That's a concept that Trump does not understand since he thinks we won't be able to watch television if the wind isn't blowing.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/energy/2019/02/21/aps-battery-cheapest-energy-option-arizona-power-grid/2911299002/

    My favorite Superbowl ad this year was the one by Budweiser, which heralded the fact that the company is now brewing all of their beer using 100% wind energy.

    https://www.greenmatters.com/renewables/2019/01/24/YtuP_rtgO/budweiser-wind-energy

    I'm not a big fan of "regular" Budweiser, but I DO like some of the other beers they produce, like Shocktop, and the stuff that has been stored in Jim Beam barrels is actually very good.

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Dutch:

    You are correct. According to the government website, the windmills go back to the 14th century. Surprisingly, there are actually LESS than 1300 windmills in the country. The government website estimates about 1000.

    https://www.holland.com/global/tourism/discover-holland/traditional/functions-of-windmills-in-holland.htm

    But yeah all these windmills caused cancer and killed millions of birds Astonished; the "saying" they have in Holland is: Je hebt zeker een klap van de malle molen gehad. ( Likely is it that you got hit by an crazy windmill) that is absolutely applicable to Trump.
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    I did a lot of research as to why they only have 3 blades. The over riding profit was aesthetics. The most efficient generators would have have many blades higher up. The reason the three blades are so huge is the stronger winds are higher up. Multi blade turbines would have been more efficient and easier to keep birds from getting destroyed . Esthetics because it was thought people would have objected to many blades .
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I did a lot of research as to why they only have 3 blades. The over riding profit was aesthetics. The most efficient generators would have have many blades higher up. The reason the three blades are so huge is the stronger winds are higher up. Multi blade turbines would have been more efficient and easier to keep birds from getting destroyed . Esthetics because it was thought people would have objected to many blades .

    Chet, No it depends on the profile of the blades, just like an aircraft wing; these 3 blade wind mills are turning very slow; the gearing in the top of the windmill increases the RPM on the generator. Also the slow speed makes no sound as well limits wear on the bearings and forces on the structure and are easier to balance. No birds get killed by it because of the slow speed of the blades. Thus it has nothing to do with esthetics but just well thought out engineering. Also of course fewer blades are less expensive to produce.

    I guess you are comparing the small windmills on farms with multi blade design; they are not geared; therefore run on much higher speed of the blades. Europe started with it way back; this country is now only slowly catching up.

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    Dutch, They said it was aesthetics, not me. Furthermore it is a stupid, stupid design. In the first place the blades are so long as to reach the higher velocites of winds at higher altitudes. Their explanation. Using common engineering sense you have to realize the force on the tips is at greater force at the top of the apex than at the bottom. Then since the blades are 120 degrees apart there is continuous loading and unloading of force on the bearings and tower. Cycling forces is the number one killer of bearings and static systems. Sorry Dutch you are wrong. Smaller multiple blades higher at the top of the apex would have provided cheaper. longer lasting generators with less visual impact.