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    Pelosi in an interview stated that "impeachment" is off the "table" (for now?) Thus in other words just go on and on with the blinders on? Sure if the Dem's do nothing at all (except "defend") Trump will win again in 2020. It looks like the Dem's have not learned to fight and it looks like as the same with Hillary; she was way ahead (according to the"polls") thus an sure "win"(Yes for trump if you play dirty); the same applies to 2020. Since the GOP sticks like "glue" to Trump's ass; then as long as that is the case, how are we able to remove him from office? Thus the tactic should be how to "un-glue" these idiots from Trump; yes, that will be difficult or impossible.

    If you look at the "field" of candidates then even Biden is way too "nice" to be able to win. Trump does not care about the "truth" or being nice and "cool" ; he will lie and undercut anything the Dem's will say. Even now he states that the Dem's hate Jews; while the "facts" show it to be different. He will use every "tool" to twist the truth to get his way. Like Cohen said: he lies and cheats and uses "mob" practices. So how are the Dem's going to fight this, with huge divisions in the Party itself?

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    Dutch -- I agree with you with respect to your view of what Trump and Republicans will do. With respect to Nancy Pelosi's "impeachment is off the table" for now, that is certainly understandable, and I support it for the very reason you stated -- the GOP sticks like "glue" to Trump's ass. Impeachment in the House would be so easy, but getting 67 votes in the Senate to convict would be impossible. If the House impeached and the Senate would not convict, Trump would hold that up as vindication of Russian collusion and innocence. It would make any future attempt at removal impossible.

    Now the whole ball game changes if Mueller and/or the New York Southern District comes up irrefutable evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. I doubt that Mueller's case will be that strong without the testimony of Manafort and Stone. It may be strongly circumstantial, but the bar to convict Trump has been placed extremely high by Republicans.

    It may be better to let it run its course until the next election and let the people decide...oh and that worries me as well if Democrats cannot get their act together by then.

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    I am with Polsi on this one. Don't take ownership of impeachment until the tipping point has been reached; when that day comes, there will be no question by everyone he has to go. The Mueller investigation might be it.

    Unless there is a smoking gun (a video\audio recordings, signed documents, etc) that is indisputable evidence that links Trump to a crime, let the people throw Trump out of office in 2020. A failed impeachment attempt just makes the democrats look like they can't get the job done against someone who is corrupt and has direct connections to criminals and international criminal organizations. A failed impeachment only validates Trump and all the things he done throughout his life, including conning Americans to vote for him. A failed impeachment means "Criminal politics" works because the system can't get rid of bad people when they rise to the level of president. It would mean a criminal president is criminally untouchable while in office (and likely to pardon himself on his last day).

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- I agree with you with respect to your view of what Trump and Republicans will do. With respect to Nancy Pelosi's "impeachment is off the table" for now, that is certainly understandable, and I support it for the very reason you stated -- the GOP sticks like "glue" to Trump's ass. Impeachment in the House would be so easy, but getting 67 votes in the Senate to convict would be impossible. If the House impeached and the Senate would not convict, Trump would hold that up as vindication of Russian collusion and innocence. It would make any future attempt at removal impossible.

    Now the whole ball game changes if Mueller and/or the New York Southern District comes up irrefutable evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. I doubt that Mueller's case will be that strong without the testimony of Manafort and Stone. It may be strongly circumstantial, but the bar to convict Trump has been placed extremely high by Republicans.

    It may be better to let it run its course until the next election and let the people decide...oh and that worries me as well if Democrats cannot get their act together by then.

    Yes I also agree with you; however it would have been better if Pelosi would not have said that, because now the 90% Republicans now think the Dem's won't "impeach" and therefore they will stick even more to their "god" sent leader . And as you should know "old" glue is even harder to remove.

    Indeed the biggest problem is "unity" in the Democratic party.

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    She ought to have kept her lips sealed, now that she hasn't, republicans have sighed in relief.
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    Pelosi is a liberal elitist out of touch with the Democratic Constituency.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Pelosi is a liberal elitist out of touch with the Democratic Constituency.

    Or she's a realist who understands that impeaching a President is the easy part. Removing him from office is a wee bit more difficult.

    It's not like she said "Donald is an upstanding human being who all Americans should strive to emulate." She said what anyone who understands civics already knows - a Republican Senate will not vote to remove Trump unless he literally shoots someone in the middle of 5th Avenue. And hell - I could see any number of Republicans sticking with him even if he did murder someone in cold blood on 5th Avenue. That's just the way things are whether you like it or not.

    Just take a deep breath and allow the House Democrats to conduct rigorous oversight and investigations into Trump and his family. Senate Republicans see themselves as Trump's protector and they will not, no matter how many temper tantrums you throw, remove him from office unless there is overwhelming support to do so.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    a Republican Senate will not vote to remove Trump unless he literally shoots someone in the middle of 5th Avenue. And hell - I could see any number of Republicans sticking with him even if he did murder someone in cold blood on 5th Avenue. That's just the way things are whether you like it or not.

    Or imagine him saying in front of witnesses who record him stating "I want Hillary Clinton assassinated. Find somebody to do it, and get it done immediately"

    Trump likely would be impeached by a very narrow margin, but there several republican senators would rationalize his orders as being in the public interest and his heart was in the right place.