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"there were very fine people on both sides"

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  • that guy in AZ
    2019-03-05 01:07:04 PM
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    After the Charlottsville fiasco in August of 2017, Trump made his thoughts very clear when he said that there were very fine people on both sides. Since his dad got arrested at a KKK rally in the 1920's, and today's klan leadership stated that he was their choice, the KKK has been strengthened since he took office.

    A news article popped up this morning that reminds us of a time when the KKK got their butts kicked, and it happened a long time ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hayes_Pond

    The battle of Hayes Pond occurred on the night January 18, 1958. The full story can be read at the link above, but here is the short version.

    The Lumbee Indian tribe finally got limited recognition from the government in 1956 - and the local klan was not pleased. They were still smarting from the Brown v. Board of Education ruling, and they weren't happy about the fact that black students were allowed to attend public high schools in Little Rock.

    The plan they put together was designed to force the tribe out of Lumbee, but their leader, "catfish" Cole badly miscalculated. He and about about 100 klansmen arrived at a private field near Hayes Pond. The Lumbee folks had been given advanced warning about the meeting, and about 500 ARMED Indians showed up. After shooting out the sole source of light at the meeting, the klansmen left the area so fast that "catfish" forgot to bring his wife with him.

    After that, the klan never bothered the Indians again.

  • Schmidt
    2019-03-06 08:33:47 AM
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    Arizona -- Thanks for sharing this. It was a feel good story amongst all the atrocities conducted by the KKK. For many other American Indian tribes, however, the results were less positive. Living in Colorado I have learned the history of the early settlement days and the conflicts between the settlers and the indigenous tribes. One in particular for Colorado is especially noteworthy for the savagery of the attackers: The Sand Creek Massacre. From Wikipedia:

    "The Sand Creek massacre (also known as the Chivington massacre, the battle of Sand Creek or the massacre of Cheyenne Indians) was a massacre of Cheyenne and Arapaho people by the U.S. Army in the American Indian Wars that occurred on November 29, 1864, when a 675-man force of Colorado U.S. Volunteer Cavalry under the command of U.S. Army Colonel John Chivington attacked and destroyed a village of Cheyenne and Arapaho people in southeastern Colorado Territory, killing and mutilating an estimated 70–500 Native Americans, about two-thirds of whom were women and children."

    The Sand Creek Massacre was just one of many killings carried out by the US Army or militias. Wikipedia has a long list.

    List of Indian massacres

    In this 21st Century, we can apply current day morality to the atrocities by the "white men" explorers from Christopher Columbus to the present and cringe. I just wonder about the genetic make-up of those early explorers and settlers that they could so ruthlessly carry out such atrocious acts against fellow human beings including children. Many of those genes have been carried forward into modern generations and perhaps are why we are so divided today. The emotion of fear seems to be more prevalent in some demographics including the religious right and many conservatives. Fear makes people do crazy things.

    Okay, I'm off topic a bit...but carnages against the American Indians and African Americans by the KKK and carnages against the American Indians by the US Army and militias must have a common theme, and perhaps it's engrained in our genetic code.

  • Dutch
    2019-03-06 11:03:08 AM
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    I guess there is no shame at the Republican side; the same applies to the Catholic church who murdered thousands and burned the "witches" on the stake. Why is this country so proud of itself? Its history is not "clean" at all. Let alone that they have learned from it; just go bravely to an "murderous church" and "donate" that will get you of the hook. Amen

    Talking about hypocrites; ask Linsey Graham.

  • that guy in AZ
    2019-04-05 10:58:44 PM
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    At the end of March, an arson fire destroyed the executive offices of the Highland Center in New Market, Tennessee. The building contained decades of archives of the historic Highland Education and Research Center. The other 9 buildings on the 200 acre campus were not damaged.

    Founded in 1932, the historic center is renowned for its social justice and leadership education. They helped organize the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycotts and aided in founding the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. They also hosted such civil rights icons as Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks.

    Now, the organization has become the latest target of a white power movement attack. A symbol connected to the white power movement spray-painted on their parking lot.

    https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/local/2019/03/29/historic-highlander-center-destroyed-fire-new-market-tennessee/3310356002/

    For a number of years, domestic terrorists have been the biggest threat to our national security. Here is a key paragraph from the link below:

    In addition to foreign terrorist organizations, domestic extremist movements collectively pose a steady threat of violence and economic harm to the United States. Some trends within individual movements will shift as most drivers for domestic extremism, such as perceptions of government or law enforcement overreach, socio-political conditions, and reactions to legislative actions, remain constant. We are most concerned about the lone offender attacks, primarily shootings, as they have served as the dominant mode for lethal domestic extremist violence. We anticipate law enforcement, racial minorities, and the U.S. government will continue to be significant targets for many domestic extremist movements.

    "Fine people on both sides", my ass.

    https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/current-threats-to-the-homeland

    Tennessee, incidentally, has the highest percentage of Evangelical Christians of any state in the country:

    https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/state/tennessee/

  • Dutch
    2019-04-06 11:15:52 AM
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    At the end of March, an arson fire destroyed the executive offices of the Highland Center in New Market, Tennessee. The building contained decades of archives of the historic Highland Education and Research Center. The other 9 buildings on the 200 acre campus were not damaged.

    Founded in 1932, the historic center is renowned for its social justice and leadership education. They helped organize the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycotts and aided in founding the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. They also hosted such civil rights icons as Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks.

    Now, the organization has become the latest target of a white power movement attack. A symbol connected to the white power movement spray-painted on their parking lot.

    https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/local/2019/03/29/historic-highlander-center-destroyed-fire-new-market-tennessee/3310356002/

    For a number of years, domestic terrorists have been the biggest threat to our national security. Here is a key paragraph from the link below:

    In addition to foreign terrorist organizations, domestic extremist movements collectively pose a steady threat of violence and economic harm to the United States. Some trends within individual movements will shift as most drivers for domestic extremism, such as perceptions of government or law enforcement overreach, socio-political conditions, and reactions to legislative actions, remain constant. We are most concerned about the lone offender attacks, primarily shootings, as they have served as the dominant mode for lethal domestic extremist violence. We anticipate law enforcement, racial minorities, and the U.S. government will continue to be significant targets for many domestic extremist movements.

    "Fine people on both sides", my ass.

    https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/current-threats-to-the-homeland

    Tennessee, incidentally, has the highest percentage of Evangelical Christians of any state in the country:

    https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/state/tennessee/

    Arizona, again this is still an "wild west" cowboy country without proper laws for anything at all. Just stating "freedom of speech" without an proper description of "limits" indeed creates all these oddballs. Let alone have "churches" rule; like they did in France and Spain; the inquisition was part of that as well the burning of witches and their crusades. But here they allow all that nonsense.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2019-04-06 11:46:52 AM
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    Trace it all back to right wing rugged individualist propaganda winner take all. There is one party that does everything possible to enrich their constituents and there is the other party that preaches compromise. Can't keep blindly accepting that the income gap and upward transfer of wealth are acts of God's. Even the economist don't preach how money is diverted from the economy. All politicians have used lies blaming other countries for stealing our jobs because the reality is they made more money because of the loss of jobs. The reason jobs went overseas is the working class here had less money and were forced to buy cheap overseas junk. Started with Japan. Do you remember taking any early Japanese tools apart and seeing they were made of USA beer cans???

    Hard to imagine how callous people are. Was doing a construction job with our barge and crane next to the three mile bridge. There were three black guys on the barge crew. About every half hour somebody would tell "f****ng n****rs. Lot of problems we will never overcome.

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