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The Devil's Highway

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Tucson, AZ
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    Donald Trump is right. There IS a crisis at the border, but it is far different from what HE thinks is a national emergency.

    The Devil's Highway is a 2004 paperback by Luis Alberto Urrea. Here's a link to the Amazon listing for the book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Highway-True-Story/dp/0316010804

    The book details the harrowing conditions that face people from Mexico and the Central American countries who are fleeing dangerous conditions in their home country.

    Yesterday's Al Jazeera had a column that goes into even more detail on what is literally a crisis at the border. Since the Clinton administration, roughly 21,000 have died in the desert on the way to the United States, and a large part of the blame goes to our Border Patrol, who have systematically destroyed water and food that had been left in the desert by human rights groups.

    The US border patrol has adopted a practice as part of its policing activities that clearly violates human rights.

    The right to water is also recognized under international law in UN Resolution 64/292, which acknowledges that "the right to safe and clean drinking water … as a human right … is essential for the full enjoyment of life and all human rights." The right to food is recognized in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.

    Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the ICC includes "… deprivation of access to food and medicine, calculated to bring about the destruction of part of a population …" in the definition of extermination, a crime against humanity. It also identifies "willfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions" as a war crime.

    (For the record, George W. Bush's use of "enhanced interrogation methods" was also a war crime prohibited by the Geneva Convention.)

    On Friday, a federal court in the state of Arizona sentenced four American women - Natalie Hoffman, Oona Holcomb, Madeline Huse, and Zaachila Orozco-McCormick - on misdemeanour charges for having left water and food in the desert back in summer 2017.

    Trump's border wall project and the debate over funding it has provoked constitute yet another dangerous distraction. The Trump administration has repeatedly demonstrated that it seeks not only to erode human rights in the US, but also to dismantle human rights protections internationally (e.g. Trump's gentle treatment of Saudi Arabia, the Philippines, Russia and Turkey. )

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/trump-border-wall-dangerous-distraction-190303094412827.html

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The reason that thousands of people are fleeing Central American countries is that they are REALLY dangerous places.

    In the last 3 years, dozens of police have been killed each year by the MS-13 street gang. As a result, police in El Salvador are leaving the country.

    If even the police can't protect you, why the hell would you want to stay in the country? The WORST possible thing that we could do as a country is to put up a huge wall to keep people out who desperately need asylum here.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/its-so-dangerous-to-police-ms-13-in-el-salvador-that-officers-are-fleeing-the-country/2019/03/03/e897dbaa-2287-11e9-b5b4-1d18dfb7b084_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3c9291f79348

  • Liberal Democrat
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    El Salvador's history dates all the way back to 1522 - and possibly earlier.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Salvador

    The United States started meddling in the early 80's, at the start of the Civil War, which lasted from 1979 to 1992. That war led to a protest song by a group called Peter, Paul, and Mary:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOAqPqt6nqU

    Since the song was critical of our official policy in El Salvador, they caught some flak because of it , but the song was a very accurate portrayal of our position there.

    One of the people who is largely responsible for the problems in Central America is a guy named Elliot Abrams. He is mentioned in the Don Caron video shown below, but he is far from the only guilty party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdk5j8a6E2M

    If Trump ever sees this video, he would be beyond pissed that a MUSLIM from Minnesota is asking tough questions for one of his ""fair haired" boys.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Arizona -- When one looks deep into the political history of Latin American countries, there are countless acts of American interference, meddling and outright regime change in some cases. That interference was largely instigated at the behest of multinational corporations wanting to exploit the resources and labor of these countries. What we have now is "blowback" with caravans of people fleeing these countries seeking asylum in the United States, and also Mexico.

    Build a wall is not the solution. The economies and government functions of these countries need to be rebuilt, but that's extremely hard to do given how deeply entrenched crime and near anarchy have set in.

    Elliot Abrams is part of the problem, not the solution.

  • Independent
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    Right now Nadler is searching for all the Trump misdeeds, however let's start at the border where thousands of kids are still not back with their parents. In the meantime Melania did visit several "kindergartens" to show as an "fake" person how she cares about little kids. Instead she should go to the border "tent camps" and not alone visit those kids but in her position should help to re-unite these kids with their parents. Right now it is pure hypocrisy . These kids should be "priority one"
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt:

    I found 4 books on Amazon that detail our intervention in South and Central America on behalf of some of our home based corporations, which is why many of the countries that we messed with are now called "banana republics".

    https://www.amazon.com/Banana-Men-Mercenaries-Entrepreneurs-1880-1930/dp/0813108365

    The history of the United Fruit Company makes interesting reading, and helps to explain the chaos that we created south of the border.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

  • Liberal Democrat
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    One of the key people in the United Fruit Company over the years is a Russian expatriate named Samuel Zamurray. Due to the fact that he spent the bulk of his career selling bananas, he became known as "the banana man".

    This is his story:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-banana-man_5.html

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt:

    As usual, Trump ALWAYS picks the wrong people to fill positions in his administration, and you are absolutely correct about Elliott Abrams. He is part of the problem, not part of the solution. At a time when we need seasoned and honest diplomats handling a potentially explosive situation in Venezuela, Trump picks a guy who is the diplomatic equivalent of a hand grenade with the pin pulled out.

  • Independent
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Schmidt:

    As usual, Trump ALWAYS picks the wrong people to fill positions in his administration, and you are absolutely correct about Elliott Abrams. He is part of the problem, not part of the solution. At a time when we need seasoned and honest diplomats handling a potentially explosive situation in Venezuela, Trump picks a guy who is the diplomatic equivalent of a hand grenade with the pin pulled out.

    Yeah, and people still think this country is on the right path; sorry the Trump decease is spreading like crazy and the doctor is on vacation.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    There are many dark chapters in American history.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Tim Stellar's column in today's Tucson newspaper had some great comments about the "national emergency at our border", which is really just a refugee crisis.

    https://tucson.com/news/local/steller-column-it-s-a-crisis-but-border-declaration-doesn/article_ec6f75d8-1cea-511b-b86e-6481d696b1f6.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    There is no guiding light around which to formulate policy. That light should be "Human Rights". The contradiction to human rights is a centrist attitude. The luxury of a centrist attitude can only be afforded when conditions are equal and fair. When people suffer more and die earlier any rationalization of immigration and health care and human rights is a mockery. Immigration is forced upon people by inhuman treatment in their homeland. Confronting desperate suffering refugees with inhuman denial of human rights needs to change. Change is doubtful when the ruling party blames victims for their conditions and situation. When sharing and helping are dispized that is a sad state. Separating families and inhuman treatment as a message of determent sends the wrong message.