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  • Independent
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    The White House has now invoked "executive privilege" to prevent Donald McGahn from providing documents to the House Judiciary Committee, which is certain to lead to yet another court battle.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/white-house-invokes-executive-privilege-to-bar-former-counsel-from-turning-over-documents-to-congress/2019/05/07/bf106bc6-70de-11e9-8be0-ca575670e91c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.637e3f801704

    Yes, Mulvany is the guilty one; Trump told him to do so. Welcome to la la land.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump just stuck his tiny hands deeper into the cookie jar this morning by invoking executive privilege for the entire Mueller report. On top of that, the House Judiciary committee has now voted to hold Bill Barr in contempt of Congress for not handing over the unredacted report.

    http://dctribune.org/trump-pulls-ultimate-guilty-move-asserts-executive-privilege-to-hide-mueller-report-from

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The New York Times has published what the "next steps" could be after the House Judiciary Committee has now voted to hold Barr in Contemt of Congress:

    New York Times: The Subpoena and Contempt Fight Between Trump and Congress, Explained

    It is not at all clear what path the Democrats and Judiciary Committee will follow. From the NYT article:

    "On paper, defying a congressional subpoena for testimony or documents is a misdemeanor crime, punishable by one to 12 months in jail. But in practice, this law is generally toothless in disputes between Congress and the executive branch. Invoking prosecutorial discretion, the Justice Department can decline to charge an official who defies a subpoena at the president’s direction."

    However, the head of the Justice Depart is Barr. If I am reading this right, if Barr doesn't recuse himself, Barr can decline to charge himself for defying a subpoena.

    That folks is a "Constitutional Crisis". And that's what Chairman Nadler called it after the committee hearing...a Constitutional Crisis.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I'll add one more bit from the NYT article:

    "How long will it take for these legal fights to play out?

    "It could take months or years if Mr. Trump is determined to put up a fight over such issues for every subpoena, appealing any losses all the way to the Supreme Court."

  • Liberal Democrat
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    My reading of next steps was wrong. Vox provides a more comprehensive and likely next steps after the contempt of congress citation:

    Vox: The House Judiciary vote on contempt of Congress and what it means for William Barr, explained

    "Here’s how this will work on a practical level: If the full House passes the contempt resolution, Pelosi will issue the citation for Barr to be held in contempt. She’ll pass that citation along to the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia or the DOJ. Either the US attorney or the Department of Justice will likely say they don’t plan to move forward with prosecuting Barr.

    "That would be the end of the matter, unless Democrats pass a separate resolution to authorize going to court with Barr and the Trump administration over the Mueller report, and getting the courts to decide their subpoena request and contempt citation.

    "Democrats are already talking about this as their next step, one they would likely take before using their own power of inherent contempt to fine or jail the attorney general."

    It's messy...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Surprisingly, the Republicans in the Senate "just grew a pair" and issued subpoenas to Donald Trump Jr. because they wanted more information about the famous Trump Tower meeting in June of 2016. They did not give advance notice of the subpoenas to Mick Mulvaney, who said it was "bad form" not to be given advance notice.

    If you're listening, Mick, it's also bad form for a sitting president to declare a fake national emergency to get funding for a wall after Congress refused to fund it, and it's also bad form to obstruct justice by attempting to sabotage a legitimate investigation.

    Like his dad, Jr. is definitely acting like a guilty man. So far, he has not been indicted for his actions in 2016, apparently because prosecutors decided he was too stupid to pull off an actual conspiracy with Russia to aid in their efforts to get his father elected president (though he did give it his best shot).

    A person close to Trump Jr. argued that no lawyer would allow him to go back to the panel for open-ended questioning. If that last line has a familiar ring to it, it may be because Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer, said much the same thing about the prospect of his client answering Mueller’s questions

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/09/donald-trump-jr-is-acting-like-guilty-man/?utm_term=.26f7ebb5c4c4

  • Independent
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Surprisingly, the Republicans in the Senate "just grew a pair" and issued subpoenas to Donald Trump Jr. because they wanted more information about the famous Trump Tower meeting in June of 2016. They did not give advance notice of the subpoenas to Mick Mulvaney, who said it was "bad form" not to be given advance notice.

    If you're listening, Mick, it's also bad form for a sitting president to declare a fake national emergency to get funding for a wall after Congress refused to fund it, and it's also bad form to obstruct justice by attempting to sabotage a legitimate investigation.

    I guess people here don't get the "picture"; the Republicans in the Senate will elevate Trump jr. into "heaven". as well will "reward" him for his meeting with the Russians. That is the objective of the GOP.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Daily Kos reminded us today that the House of Representatives voted 420-0 in March to publicly release the FULL Mueller report

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/us/politics/mueller-report-public.html

    Here are a couple of key paragraphs from the above article:

    House Democrats are prepared to use subpoena power and other tools at their disposal to force the Justice Department to turn over anything Mr. Barr chooses to withhold.

    They argue that the Justice Department set a new precedent in the last two years when it granted Republicans, who then controlled the House, extraordinary access to hundreds of thousands of pages of sensitive investigative material related to the F.B.I.’s investigation of Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private server and the Russia investigation itself.

    There is an old saying that you should be careful what you ask for.

    The Republicans set a precedent with the Clinton email "scandal" and the extraordinary powers that were granted are now making things very difficult for the tweeter-in-chief, who just declared "executive privilege" to protect his fat ass.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    "Democrats are already talking about this as their next step, one they would likely take before using their own power of inherent contempt to fine or jail the attorney general."

    It's messy...

    Yes, messy, a big question as to how much, if any can be applied to any of Trump's appointments and anyone at the White House.

    There has been a lot political analysis as to how enforceable "contempt of congress" might be for anything the president wants to control, this could include private citizens. If Trump wins even on 1-2 court decisions, it will render the congress powerless to anything a president deems "Executive Privilege" or has executive authority over. Trump's big bet is that the courts system will at least side with him one time, and all he needs is that one court decision to decide in his favor for him to publicly "claim complete and total victory".

    As we know Trump is about creating a false perception of reality, not the actual facts or the truth. Its all about creating a false perception for his base. Tell them what they want to hear, everything else is irrelevant. If they wake up someday in the future realizing something is false, hell, just make a new lie to cover up the old one. Con men do it all the time, con the people who have already been conned multiple times in the past. Con men know its a waste of their time to convince people who can't be conned, so just focus on those who can be conned. Rip off the same people until they have nothing left of value.

    That is largely what frustrated people on the left, Trump is running a con on his base, not a con on Democrats or the media. Even though it costing his base the most, they willing support him because they are fully invested in the con that someday the con will make them wealthy and happy. "Hey, just give $1000 today, and someday soon I will give you $1 million" then comes "Hey, just give me another $1000 today, and someday soon I will give you $1o million"... and the con never ever ends, the stakes and payoff only get higher and higher. The deeper into the con people get, the more likely they are to double down on their looses. Trump's base has a fantasy future where that Trump will make them multi-millionaires, and its only cost them a their vote. There is nothing more they need to do, Donald Trump will handle everything else. No matter how absurd their fantasy reality might be, for them it is real. At the is very moment, HC is at the Deep State HQ plotting the overthrow of the US government, along side her is all the other high profile Lefties, including John McCain, who btw, faked his own death to work with HC to take control over the US government. Yep, for Trump's base, it's very real. But they are fully confident that Donald Trump, and Donald Trump alone will defeat The Deep State because he is: Donald Trump. ..lol

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes a large part of Trump's base is being conned. They live in an alternative reality...a fantasy world perhaps. Nevertheless, many of them are one issue supporters. Many evangelicals support him only because of his judicial appointments, but may detest his morality. The Second Amendment gun nuts and the NRA have been behind him 100 percent, but some of those bonds appear to be weakening with the NRA rift at the top. Many of the factory workers who believed Trump's promises are having second thoughts about his ability to deliver on "good paying jobs". And if they lose their Affordable Health Care benefits then it really hits home.

    Still his hard core base is solid...maybe that 35 percent. However, above that the 35-45 percent range is less reliable if Democrats can find a winning message. I've read where maybe only 3 percent of the population has read parts of the Mueller report, and to the extent that Mueller's findings can be brought into their living rooms in impeachment hearings, the findings are undeniable and compelling. Trump obstructed justice. It's there in black and white, and Mueller will say it out loud for all to hear. The people just need to listen intently as Mueller explains to them the facts rather than have everything twisted and filtered through Fox and Friends and Hannity.

    My belief is that impeachment hearings, if they are labeled as such, will demand a much bigger audience of people who can be swayed to abandon the Trump train...that 35 to 45 percent range of his supporters. As Speaker Pelosi said, Trump is "self-impeaching" and we might see impeachment hearings starting much sooner than later, largely at Trump's behest.

    The hearings will be an inescapable winning message for Democrats. Once the constituents start polling that Trump should be removed from office, the tribal tide in the Senate can also shift quickly, much the same as it did right before Nixon resigned.

    I have faith in our republic and our democracy that justice will be served. The master con man will have run his last con.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt; it is not as simple as you mentioned; don't forget Trump is may be stupid but not as stupid as you think. He made sure that he got his "loyal" people spread all over in the important functions in the government and elsewhere. Even in the Supreme Court. So to topple him you will be faced with these people, as is now already the case with the subpoena's.

    Therefore I bet that this will become an long drawn out painful exercise for the Dem's. Also you must have already seen during hearing of the "contempt" issue, how fanatic the GOP is. Especially the Jordan and McConnell types. Furthermore Trump makes sure more and more positions are being filled with his "loyal" people, even as we speak

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump's chief of staff is slowing walking backwards from Junior. Now he says that he is a private citizen and is not officially connected to the administration (except for his top secret security clearance, of course). Mulvaney took things a step further, by stating that Senate Majority Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) comment that the Russia probe “case is closed” doesn’t apply to Trump Jr., which again looks like he’s trying to put some distance between Trump Jr. and the administration in case things spiral out of control for the First Son.

    https://washingtonpress.com/2019/05/09/trumps-chief-of-staff-just-fed-don-jr-to-the-wolves-in-surprising-comments-about-the-mueller-report/

  • Liberal Democrat
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    As if we need more proof that Trump is crazy, the story below popped up this morning:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lashes-out-at-former-white-house-counsel-don-mcgahn/ar-AABesM6?ocid=spartandhp

    I was NOT going to fire Bob Mueller, and did not fire Bob Mueller. In fact, he was allowed to finish his Report with unprecedented help from the Trump Administration,” the president wrote.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    My local library just got in a copy of "The Mueller Report" on Friday, so I quickly grabbed it.

    Don't be intimidated by the fact that it is 472 pages long. For one thing, 80 pages of that total are simply additional notes, and the remaining 392 pages can easily be read in a short period of time. I burned through the first 124 pages yesterday while I was waiting for the Preakness to start, and can already draw a few conclusions:

    1) The Russians first started to meddle in our electoral process way back in 2014, but our intelligence agencies were pretty much unaware of it until 2016

    2) The Russians were eager to help Trump (and undermine Hillary) - and Trump's team was eager to accept the help (remember when Donald Jr. said "I would love it?").

    3) On more than one action, various members of the Trump team DID try to get more involved in the process, but their plans (for various reasons) never came to fruition

    4) In more that one case, the Mueller team was not able to pursue claims of collusion/cooperation because the necessary supporting material had been destroyed or was missing. Additional, at least one additional source simply refused to testify.

    5) On more than one occasion, people were trying to get Trump to travel to Moscow DURING THE CAMPAIGN, but the campaign thought that it "would look to be too political".

    6) Early on, Trump thought that he was f****d, and he tried to get rid of Mueller very early in the process, even though the rules regarding a special prosecutor specifically would forbid that action.

    Even with portions of the report blocked out, it's not at all hard to "read between the lines", and conclude that the Trump team came dangerously close to crossing a legal threshold that would constitute COOPERATING with a hostile foreign power.

    And ..

    I haven't even got to the good parts yet.

    Even Bill Barr found that Trump was guilty of obstruction on numerous occasions, since Robert Mueller himself said that Trump could NOT be exonerated.

    There actually is enough material in the report to justify impeaching Trump, but it is not going to happen as long as Mitch McConnell and the Republic party control the Senate. Even some Republicans would favor impeachment, but Michigan Representative Justin Amash is the first to say so publicly.

    https://www.newsweek.com/cnn-guests-debate-if-justin-amashs-call-impeach-donald-trump-setting-2020-1429682

    Amash, who represents Michigan's third district, said on Twitter Saturday that he read the entire Mueller report and had come to four conclusions, "1. Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report. 2. President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct. 3. Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances. 4. Few members of Congress have read the report."

  • Independent
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    Item number 4 stating "material was destroyed or missing" is enough evidence that an effort was made to hide the truth. Mueller should know who destroyed evidence.

    There was an "fire " in Trump tower; he was a lot there in the start of the campaign, probably shredding and burning evidence.