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  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    In any case, we should not expect that the investigations will come to a halt. Mueller might claim his original mandate has been completed as best he can given that Manafort and Stone are not talking and awaiting their pardons. But all those other criminal activities being handled out of the New York office are not going away.


    My overall outlook is positive in terms of holding Trump accountable. The FBI and DOJ people are not the type that reflect Trump's methods, lack of ethics, or lack empathy. If they did, this all would have ended with the firing of Comey. Many in the FBI\DOJ are Republicans, but they are the pre-trump Republicans that have always hated people like Trump; Trump being an a-hole who always abuses\misuses the legal system to screw people over, including the system itself. Trump supports corruption (everywhere) because he knows it works to his advantage.

    My point is that I believe Mueller, FBI, and DOJ, are chomping at the bit to take down Trump, and are looking at everything to take him down within the bounds the law. They are not afraid of Trump, and they are not looking the other way. Clearly there is a lot smoke and red hot coals all around Trump, so I believe whatever can be exposed about Trump will be made public. These guys have not been spending the past two years looking for ways to clear Trump, they've not been putting together a well crafted report that explains away all the smoke and factual evidence as just a 1000 pages of legal coincidences. They know if they let him off the hook, he will screw over more people, including people inside the FBI\DOJ. They don't want to work for a jerk that calls them up redefining justice in his image, which is defined by who is loyal to him, and who's not.

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    Don't forget Mueller is an Republican, as well Barr is. So my feeling is that they want to protect the party, even if it is run by Hitler. Ever seen an "honest" thinking Republican?

    Let alone if they are members of the " white supreme evangelical" billionaires group.

    l.php

    Just read this article (appointment for UN ambassador); here is an extract of it; it makes you puke for sure:

    Craft, a Kentucky native, is the wife of billionaire coal baron Joe Craft, who has donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration, and the couple served on the finance committee for Trump's inaugural. Joe Craft donated more than $1.6 million since 2011 to campaigns and super PACs connected to McConnell, who praised the nomination as an "exceptional choice."

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    Dutch Wrote:

    Don't forget Mueller is an Republican, as well Barr is. So my feeling is that they want to protect the party,even if it is run by Hitler. Ever seen an "honest" thinking Republican?

    You're a bit too far out there. You're mixing ideology with criminal behavior. That is exactly what Trump does. You're just doing it from left perspective.

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    wwjd Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:

    Don't forget Mueller is an Republican, as well Barr is. So my feeling is that they want to protect the party,even if it is run by Hitler. Ever seen an "honest" thinking Republican?

    You're a bit too far out there. You're mixing ideology with criminal behavior. That is exactly what Trump does. You're just doing it from left perspective.

    No, ever heard about the word "loyalty"?; right now the republicans are no longer Republicans, but are fond of the "trump party" Just look on how Graham changed; he's now super "loyal" and does not give a shit about any Constitution. Sorry it is the "mob" behavior all the way. But yeah you will find out later how it is to live in an country run by an dictator who says "I alone can fix this country". Indeed he may reach that goal because our "system" is so weak that it allows those things. In any case if you accuse me of "criminal behavior" then my lawyer will call you. Indeed "mixing" things is here the national entertainment. You must be used to it by now.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    No, ever heard about the word "loyalty"?; right now the republicans are no longer Republicans, but are fond of the "trump party" Just look on how Graham changed; he's now super "loyal" and does not give a shit about any Constitution. Sorry it is the "mob" behavior all the way. But yeah you will find out later how it is to live in an country run by an dictator who says "I alone can fix this country". Indeed he may reach that goal because our "system" is so weak that it allows those things. In any case if you accuse me of "criminal behavior" then my lawyer will call you. Indeed "mixing" things is here the national entertainment. You must be used to it by now.

    The vast majority of traditional Republicans are not loyal to Trump, they are political terrified of him. His base is just as crazy and screwed up as he is.

    Trump is mentally a very young child who is playing with live grenades and other such weapons, and has no fear of using them to kill anybody who ticks him off. He is Billy Mumy from The Twilight Zone, who has the power to banish people into the corn field, with no ability to understand the harm he is causing to the majority around him. Democrats would be no different if a left wing radical took control of the Democratic party, using the same radical tactics as Trump to accomplish left wing political goals.... I am no fan of Republican's ideology, but I can can determine the difference between politics and criminal behavior, and those who have no ethic concerns on who they screw over to accomplish their goals.

    What you have been suggesting is that to defeat Trump, Democrats need to be come as crazy and screwed up as Trump. You don't like like his objectives, but endorse his methods as a way to take him out. ie :some body should just take a rifle, hide into a grassy knoll (or room over looking the target), and take him out. That is what you are suggesting.

  • Independent
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    No I'm suggesting to "improve" this country by starting at reforming the "system"; I wrote a lot about such. How did an "mob " boss like Trump get into the W.H.? Why do Presidents get "powers" which they should not have? etc. That is the big issue here. Also how do you fight the Trump "mafia"? Being nice and correct as well truthful, does n't get you anywhere nowadays.

    So having discussions about "indictment" or "impeachment" does not work either, (as discussed many times on the news) because of all the legal "roadblocks" or lack of "solid" laws, let alone "interpretations" of "laws" with a million "loopholes". How do you intent to fix an country which is corrupt to the bone, if it is so inbred that you can't remove it. How do you get the "votes" to remove him, if 90% of the GOP still stands behind him or are up his butt?

    Does your vote really count? I do sent mine in as an "absentee ballot" but I'm just about sure it ends up in the waste bin in FL. There is never an"confirmation" that your vote indeed was processed/counted. That is how it works here and in other States.

    If your question is: how to get rid of Trump and his cronies; then I have no answer on how to do so the "legal" way. Even the Supreme Court is already "corrupted" by him. Sorry the "legal" system is no longer "legal" either if lots of "judges" also did pledge "loyalty" if appointed by Trump. He fired about 46 of them and put "loyalists" in their place. All of this is because the "mob" rules, with the "mob" rules/laws. The Dem's don't know how to fight this either.

    Looking at the Dem's "candidates", I really don't see anyone who is able to win from Trump; remember the 2016 primary with more than 12 candidates and guess who won. The "dumb" States will stick with Trump; 90% think he's doing an great job.

    The only hope I have is that people here start using their brains and don't want an"dictator". If he gets an"second term" then forget this country.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The consensus seems to be that the Mueller report, by itself, won't be enough to force Trump from office, but the other investigations that it has led to probably will. Oddly enough, the person who will be most responsible for getting Trump out of office, and possible into prison, is Rudy Giuliani. This morning's New York Times explains how:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/opinion/rudy-giuliani-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    The consensus seems to be that the Mueller report, by itself, won't be enough to force Trump from office, but the other investigations that it has led to probably will. Oddly enough, the person who will be most responsible for getting Trump out of office, and possible into prison, is Rudy Giuliani. This morning's New York Times explains how:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/opinion/rudy-giuliani-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Arizona, I don't believe so. Giuliani won't be a "rat" unless enough "money" is offered; so I believe Trump pays him well to prevent "overbidding" . He's now in the "cult camp" and rambles all his nonsense as diversion tactics, so how all of a sudden can he become "normal" again?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Conveniently, the New York Times published an article today that confirms the fact that Trump's greatest threat isn't the Mueller report, it's a variety of committees in the House.

    Jerrold Nadler, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, sent letters this morning to 81 agencies, individuals and entities that had ties to Trump, and his committee is not the only committee that is investigating Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/us/politics/trump-obstruction.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    This was probably Trump's reaction when he first heard the news this morning:

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Kudos to Chairman Nadler. I really like that guy. These investigations will form the basis for impeachment proceedings, perhaps sometime in early 2020, unless we get more compelling evidence from Mueller's team as well as the New York Southern District before then. Of course, Trump and his aides may decline the 81 subpoenas claiming "executive privilege".

    We'll see. It may go all the way to the Supreme Court where Trump is relying on his cronies to block the investigations.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Kudos to Chairman Nadler. I really like that guy. These investigations will form the basis for impeachment proceedings, perhaps sometime in early 2020, unless we get more compelling evidence from Mueller's team as well as the New York Southern District before then. Of course, Trump and his aides may decline the 81 subpoenas claiming "executive privilege".

    We'll see. It may go all the way to the Supreme Court where Trump is relying on his cronies to block the investigations.

    The political argument that has been echoing around is how much more Trump dirt rises to the surface before the end of 2019. If a strong case can't be made before the end of this year, the political apex for impeachment will have passed, and it will be left to the voters in 2020 to reject him.

    There is a lot time left, but I expect Chairman Nader and other leading democrats know the clock is ticking for them expose trump for all his crimes, cons, etc. Part of their problem is there is so much garbage to expose, that is it begins to hard believe someone as vastly corrupt as Donald Trump got elected in the first place, and continue have unwavering support from about 30% of voters. There are no facts that will sway their belief that Donald Trump is not second coming of Jesus Christ, and that every word out of his mouth is channeling god (why? because The Donald told them). Anyone who is against Trump, is against God... Just spend 5 minutes watching Pat Robinson on CBN; he alone, can explain away everything Trump has done to harm people in the past as doing God's work. In other words, they all deserved it, and God told Trump to punish them. Simple, easy to believe, no objective thinking required.

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    Yes Trump panders to the preachers, many of whom have said he was chosen by God. In a sense they pander to each other. Trump responds to that "chosen by God" talk by giving them what they want from Supreme Court justices to legislation and executive actions. In fact they could not find a candidate more worthy of carrying the "God agenda" for them. It's how Trump responds loyally to that phony adulation by giving them what they want. The evangelicals in turn vote for him in huge numbers.

    The same could be said for foreign leaders like Japanese Prime Minister writing a letter nominating Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. It's all about feeding his ego to get something in return. The Saudis, the Israelis, the Russians, and Kim Jung Un all know how to manipulate his need for adulation to get something in return.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes Trump panders to the preachers, many of whom have said he was chosen by God. In a sense they pander to each other. Trump responds to that "chosen by God" talk by giving them what they want from Supreme Court justices to legislation and executive actions. In fact they could not find a candidate more worthy of carrying the "God agenda" for them. It's how Trump responds loyally to that phony adulation by giving them what they want. The evangelicals in turn vote for him in huge numbers.

    The same could be said for foreign leaders like Japanese Prime Minister writing a letter nominating Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. It's all about feeding his ego to get something in return. The Saudis, the Israelis, the Russians, and Kim Jung Un all know how to manipulate his need for adulation to get something in return.

    Yes Schmidt you see it correctly; sorry I've never been in any country where such craziness flourishes. Maybe the only comparable is ISIS or the other Islamic cults in the middle east and Africa.

    Therefore it is time the "churches" start paying taxes, as well there should an strict "law" about the division between "church" and State.

    The 2020 elections are crucial; otherwise we will indeed become an "dictatorship"

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The New York Times this morning printed a list of all the people and entities that Chairman Nadler mailed letters to. The White House is not expected to cooperate, but he has cast a wide enough net that it really doesn't matter if Trump and his clan respond.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/politics/trump-house-document-request.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    It's just a matter of time before Trump's House of Cards collapses.

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  • Center Left
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    Just read this summary by CNN. Suggested the President is under the kind of pressure that might look like a Twitter rage. Interesting details of the investigation.

    cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/donald-trum...