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    When Trump announced his 16 candidacy with lots of good paying jobs and make america great again I said on here that he would probably win and his platform should have been Hillary's and the Democratic party's. That couldn't be done without criticising the 8 year Obama presidency. That didn't bother Trump. He started spreading his lies of hope to the working class. Bernie identified the working class abandonment and platformed his ideas for reparrations. No matter how it is presented initially the Democratic response was everything is fine with the working class. Bernie created a party and let the cat out of the bag. Now it appears that anybody but Trump can win 2020.

    What is happening other than Sanders and Warren is a lot of wannabees are motivated to carreer building supporting their candidacy with small slices of Bernieism. Saying things they wouldn't have said in public a few years ago. 1200 students were murdered last year. 1200 people are murdered everyday denied healthcare. The centrist position supports stopping school deaths. The left position supports saving student's lives and denied health care lives. There is no excuse for a centrist position in the face of glaring inequities suffering the working class.

    Look at the list of the countries above the USA in standard of living and it can be seen they are also to the left of the USA.

    The USA ranks 11th to thirteenth in standard of living:

    worldinfigures.com/rankings/topic/9

    weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countr...

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    I do believe that American people fed up with ending up with nothing more than a gang of Robber Baron Stooges and Bernie is the answer to getting rid of these bribe taking blood soaked warmongering, corrupt creeps.
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    My personal preference would be for a Tammy Duckworth-Tulsi Gabbard ticket. Both are veterans, persons of color, and female. Duckworth is one of the finest Americans of her generation. I may not agree with her on a lot, but I respect her as a person of higher moral character and courage than I ever will possess. She is an iron lady without fucking legs who gave birth at 50.

    Gabbard would help unite the party with the Bernie/Progressive wing, but she brings some baggage from her left-right heterodoxy.

    In any event, blaming Bernie for Hillary's loss is ridiculous. Yes, it took him a little over two weeks for him to concede in June 2016 as all the votes were counted and he attempted to win concessions on some issues from Hillary. That's what a losing fucking primary campaign should do. Yes, Bernie people were upset with the superdelegate system. So was Hillary after the primary in 2008.

    Then Wikileaks hit in July. People at the DNC lost their job over what was exposed. Yes, that probably pissed a lot of Berners off. Maybe some stayed home or voted for Trump because of that. But Hillary-McCain voters outnumbered Bernie-Trump voters.

    Hillary overwhelming won the popular vote as Trump got less votes than McCain and Romney. The problem was Hillary's national team didn't listen to people like Michael Moore, who begged and pleaded with Democrats to take Trump seriously, especially in the Rust Belt where Hillary ultimately lost the electoral college. According to the blame Bernie logic, by extension of his support for Bernie in the primary, Moore is also to blame for Hillary's loss? Meanwhile, Hillary's own ground team in the Rust Belt was begging the national campaign for more resources and upset that they were neglected.

    Elections are about getting out the vote. That takes leg work. That means talking to people. Getting inside their head. Getting them to make a plan to vote. It takes human resources. Political ad campaigns are important, but human beings on the ground are the difference. Radio and TV ads don't register people to vote.

    Trump should never have been elected. Hillary's campaign failure to support her own ground team in the Rust Belt is not on him. That's on the nominee. Failure to recognize why Hillary lost may cost the next election and elections to come.

    Not sure if Ms. Duckworth is running but I just read that Ms. Tulsi Gabbard had said negative comments about the Lgbtq community early in her career. Few politicians are free of baggage in their closets. Will be interesting as we continue to watch it all unfold.

    nytimes.com/2019/01/17/us/politics/tuls...

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    Poll: Bernie Sanders Leading Democrats In New Hampshire | The Daily Caller

    The Daily Caller › 2019/02/23


    21 hours ago · Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is leading the 2020 Democratic presidential field in the key primary state of .

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    Yes Bernie seems to be popular now -- mostly name recognition. I predict that he will again be formidable in the primaries, especially those states with caucuses in which the voter turn-out is abysmally poor. In 2016 Bernie won 11 out of the 13 states with caucuses and the other two he lost, he barely lost. In 2020 Bernie could do a clean sweep of all caucus states, and that would set him up nicely to be the front runner for 2020.

    However, as a wrote in my blog article of 2016, the use of caucuses to select candidates for the Democratic Party nomination are inherently unfair and undemocratic as they disenfranchise a large portion of the Democratic Party base. From my 2016 blog article:

    I knocked on hundreds of doors the past few years encouraging fellow Democrats to attend our Tuesday evening caucus meetings, and heard all kinds of genuine apologies for why attending a caucus would be too difficult for them: Voters were working that evening, parents were staying home with children, grandparents were babysitting a grandchild, physically handicapped individuals answered the door in a wheel chair, senior citizens were just too elderly and frail to physically to make the effort; some didn’t own a car or another means of transportation to get there. Some voters had the ability to make it, but told me that they just didn’t feel comfortable in the caucus venue itself, having attended in the past.

    The people who did make it in large numbers to the caucuses in 2016 were the college kids -- the Bernie supporters who were taken in by his free college for all and free health care for all rhetoric.

    That scenario from 2016 can easily repeat itself in 2020. Bernie knows that and that's why he keeps pandering to that base. That's why he will split the Democratic Party again in 2020...a repeat of 2016 where hate became a part of the dialogue right up and into the Democratic Party convention...and afterwards.

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    Sorry I don't see Bernie win from Trump; Trump will use the "socialist" card and nail him with that. Right now, looking at the Dem's candidates, I don't see really strong people who can fight an con-man; may be O'Rourke or Bloomberg. Also as I've said before, certainly not the "backwards center" part of the country is not "ripe" for an woman as President; Hilary found that out; neither are "evangelicals" unless the selected women are strong Catholics or Baptists.

    I feel that the problem is, that the Dem's are thinking that Trump will be "gone" by election time, however that may not be the case, since he always will find a way to screw the "lousy system" ( lots of words, no action)

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    Schmidt Wrote: That scenario from 2016 can easily repeat itself in 2020. Bernie knows that and that's why he keeps pandering to that base. That's why he will split the Democratic Party again in 2020...a repeat of 2016 where hate became a part of the dialogue right up and into the Democratic Party convention...and afterwards.

    This is my biggest fear. Well, that and Donald capitalizing on Democratic infighting and then sitting back and watching with glee as we shoot ourselves in the foot yet again.

    Bernie Sanders is a registered Independent who is once again trying to conduct a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party. And when it doesn't work, for the second time, I fear that he and his gullible supporters will throw another hissy fit and make it so Donald wins reelection.

    If people don't think that could happen this time around, I would remind them that Bernie or busters thwarted the will of the American people in 2016 and have shown zero remorse over it. I have absolutely no doubt they would do so again in 2020 if their messiah isn't anointed King of Democrats.

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    At a CNN Town Hall, Bernie Sanders was asked how he would fund his massive social programs including Medicare for All. His response:

    "Health care is a right, making sure our kids get a higher education is a right... that's going to cost money,"

    "Am I going to demand that the wealthy and large corporations start paying their fair share of taxes? Damn right I will."

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    Sanders can "demand" all he wants (just like Trump demands on his wall), but unless he is going to get 60 Senators to go along with his "demands" then it won't happen. Good "damn right" promises though to get people to vote for him...believe in him. You betcha...

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    I voted for Bernie in the NH primary to send a message to the Dems. Unfortunately they didn’t get it. I don’t think Bernie would been an effective president even if he could beat Trump (doubtful).

    Like Dutch, I like Kamila Harris . Biden is an old phoney owned by the banks, I don’t trust the guy from NJ (another windbag) and I doubt a woman can win the elections where does that leave the Dems? Up the creek without the proverbial paddle.

    but, then again, who ever thought that black guy would win twice, let alone the present pervert?

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    I watched Bernie's campaign kickoff speech today in Brooklyn, NY, the place where Bernie grew up. His speech was quite good and inspirational for the passionate crowd attending. At times Bernie was interrupted with the shouts of "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie". I'll give him credit, he knows how to motivate the crowd.

    He went through a long list of "promises", and I put that word in quotation marks because although I do not think some are realistic, that's the way they came across to the crowd -- absolute campaign promises -- no ifs, ands, or buts. If he wins these are what he promised, and his constituents will expect him to deliver: Free health care, free college tuition, major infrastructure spending, $15 minimum wage, taxing the wealthy and corporations, slashing military spending, passage of comprehensive immigration reform, DACA, climate change regulations, campaign finance reform, and more. Not much different from 2016, and like 2016, no mention of costs or how it could realistically be accomplished with the make-up of the Senate. That's a minor point and no one in the crowd yelled, "Who's going to pay for it?"

    He also spent some time talking about his roots, the son of a Polish immigrant escaping persecution. And Jane will be right with him all the way.

    I would put Bernie as the front runner right now. He has the organization -- he really hasn't stopped campaigning since 2016, and he has tons of money. He thanked Nina Turner for all she has done to keep the "Our Revolution" movement alive after 2016. I wonder if he has in the back of his mind Nina Turner as his VP pick.

    Still it's early and I wonder if he will be vetted more thoroughly this time around -- that is, if his past is relevant to the current day. I really do not care about his past as much as what is in his proposals, what they will cost and how they can be accomplished. However, it would be good to get all that stuff out of the way because Republicans will crucify him on it in the general election campaign.

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    pr Wrote:

    I voted for Bernie in the NH primary to send a message to the Dems. Unfortunately they didn’t get it. I don’t think Bernie would been an effective president even if he could beat Trump (doubtful).

    Like Dutch, I like Kamila Harris . Biden is an old phoney owned by the banks, I don’t trust the guy from NJ (another windbag) and I doubt a woman can win the elections where does that leave the Dems? Up the creek without the proverbial paddle.

    but, then again, who ever thought that black guy would win twice, let alone the present pervert?

    Whhhhaaaaat?

    Joe Biden net worth: $900,000

    B Sanders net worth: $2M

    I do hope the DNC is smart enough to keep their large tent zipped to keep Sanders out.

    Cortez is head hunting moderate democrats now. Bad news for the DNC. IMO, these newbies are way too far left.

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    Taxing the rich and taxing speculative trading will automatically put people to work. Putting more people to work in an already full employment economy will force wages higher. More people paying more taxes is money for Bernie's programs. A higher transactional tax on speculative trading is a double Bernie bonus, more tax revenue and investors will be looking for cheaper profits will start looking at jobs producing investing. Again more higher paying jobs and more tax revenue for Bernie's promises.
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    While he raised much money in his first week, the recent information suggests he has less momentum than he might have liked to be experiencing. That's with Joe Biden still quietly on the sidelines. I heard it suggested that Biden may wait until early / mid April to announce.

    cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/bernie-sand...

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    I am wondering if Biden is waiting for the field to settle down before jumping in. His numbers remain very good, and he appears to be unofficially campaigning through a series high profile public appearances. If the Democratic nomination were held tomorrow, he likely would be the winner, but it is big unknown where things stand a year from now.