Bernie running.

If he is the chosen one, I'll knock on doors for him. But I sure hope this time around he is a uniter instead of divider. His ideological appeal to the far left is without question. Can he attract a sizable portion of the Independents who do not embrace his version of Medicare for all? That depends on his campaign...just dusting off his stump speeches from 2016 and rerunning those again and again will not cut it for the 77 year old Senator.

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He's not my preference. Field will be huge. Will be interesting to see the next several months unfold.

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I’m super excited for him to split the Democrats, throw a temper tantrum when he loses the primary, and pout so much that his supporters help re-elect Donald to a second term.

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I hope he runs as an independent.

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jaredsxtn Wrote: I’m super excited for him to split the Democrats, throw a temper tantrum when he loses the primary, and pout so much that his supporters help re-elect Donald to a second term.

Yes Jared, this time I share your thoughts. As I've said so many times give some "younger" people a chance.

Fully agree with you!

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I agree Dutch. He's receiving some mixed reviews. Something I just read questions his relationship with the NRA.

This is a speculation of the top Democratic candidates. I like about 4 of them.

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/430461-th...

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Dutch Wrote: Yes Jared, this time I share your thoughts. As I've said so many times give some "younger" people a chance.
Fully agree with you!

My issues with Bernie have nothing to do with his age. I'd say the same exact thing if he was 35 years old.

I loathe Bernie because of how he handled the 2016 election, especially when it comes to how he behaved after losing the primary handily. He and his followers acted like spoiled elementary school children who were just told "no" by their teacher for the first time. And now he expects the tens of millions of Hillary voters who, at the very least, partially blame him for Donald's win, to just let bygones be bygones? No, thank you.

I'd write in my local dog catchers name before voting for Bernie to be our party's nominee for President.

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TJ -- Interesting rankings of the Top 10. I still think that age will eventually remove Biden and Sanders from consideration. I am 72 and I can certainly recognize how age has slowed me down from my better days. The job of President is highly stressful and takes a lot of stamina...unless the president is going to do a "Trump" and not govern. Ronald Reagan showed he wasn't up to the task, especially in his second term.

That leaves Kamala Harris alone at the top. I think Beto O'Rourke has a lot of that energy and might make a good VP. His statement that he would be happy if the wall at El Paso Texas was removed entirely will play into the Republicans hands.

Elizabeth Warren will not be able to shed the Pocahontas label, but it will be the native American tribes that will be less forgiving.

I would move both Sherrod Brown and Amy Klobuchar up into the top 5, but let's see who else emerges...an unknown now, but hey there is still time.

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Jared -- Yes I agree with you on Bernie. In a way he kind of reminds me of Trump in the selfish way he goes about pushing his agenda. And giving his own rebuttal to the State of the Union speech taking away the limelight from Stacey Abrams says he is not a team player. I think he will drop in the polls, but I would not rule out an Independent run to act as a spoiler if he doesn't get his way. That's Bernie.

In any case, I will hold my nose and campaign for him against Trump if he is the Democratic nominee.

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Schmidt Wrote: In any case, I will hold my nose and campaign for him against Trump if he is the Democratic nominee.

I would, as well. Very begrudgingly, but Donald must be a one term President. Even if that means that I have to vote for someone I hold directly responsible for Donald being President in the first place.

However, I just don't see him having the same rock star campaign that he had in 2016. Many Democrats, myself included, were frustrated with the very limited field in 2016 and it made sense that Bernie became Hillary's main challenger, but we can hardly call the emerging field limited this time around. If anything, we run the risk of repeating what Republicans did in 2016 and split the primary votes so much that a crazy person could fall through the cracks and become our nominee.

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Call me an what you like but age is a factor. Mr. Sanders is currently 77 and the election isn't for another year and 8+ months. I don't want to elect one person and have the VP finish the term. The presidency ages one a lot. If the person is actually doing the job.

Sharod Brown interests me. The young mayor from South Bend Indiana too. I don't think anyone south of the Mason Dixon line or in the plains states would consider a non heterosexual. AOC would be a grand slam home run if she was just 5+ years older. Much time remains and we will see who escalates their image. We must win in 2020 or move to Canada.

I have the utmost respect for seniors but we need many many votes from all demographics.

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My personal preference would be for a Tammy Duckworth-Tulsi Gabbard ticket. Both are veterans, persons of color, and female. Duckworth is one of the finest Americans of her generation. I may not agree with her on a lot, but I respect her as a person of higher moral character and courage than I ever will possess. She is an iron lady without fucking legs who gave birth at 50.

Gabbard would help unite the party with the Bernie/Progressive wing, but she brings some baggage from her left-right heterodoxy.

In any event, blaming Bernie for Hillary's loss is ridiculous. Yes, it took him a little over two weeks for him to concede in June 2016 as all the votes were counted and he attempted to win concessions on some issues from Hillary. That's what a losing fucking primary campaign should do. Yes, Bernie people were upset with the superdelegate system. So was Hillary after the primary in 2008.

Then Wikileaks hit in July. People at the DNC lost their job over what was exposed. Yes, that probably pissed a lot of Berners off. Maybe some stayed home or voted for Trump because of that. But Hillary-McCain voters outnumbered Bernie-Trump voters.

Hillary overwhelming won the popular vote as Trump got less votes than McCain and Romney. The problem was Hillary's national team didn't listen to people like Michael Moore, who begged and pleaded with Democrats to take Trump seriously, especially in the Rust Belt where Hillary ultimately lost the electoral college. According to the blame Bernie logic, by extension of his support for Bernie in the primary, Moore is also to blame for Hillary's loss? Meanwhile, Hillary's own ground team in the Rust Belt was begging the national campaign for more resources and upset that they were neglected.

Elections are about getting out the vote. That takes leg work. That means talking to people. Getting inside their head. Getting them to make a plan to vote. It takes human resources. Political ad campaigns are important, but human beings on the ground are the difference. Radio and TV ads don't register people to vote.

Trump should never have been elected. Hillary's campaign failure to support her own ground team in the Rust Belt is not on him. That's on the nominee. Failure to recognize why Hillary lost may cost the next election and elections to come.

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I shall cut to my prediction as I see it now, which may change.

Sanders best shot is VP. No Pres nomination is in his future.
If not VP he, along with HC, will be offered high level positions in the Democratic Administration.

HC has my support for AG.

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Schmidt Wrote:
TJ -- Interesting rankings of the Top 10. I still think that age will eventually remove Biden and Sanders from consideration. I am 72 and I can certainly recognize how age has slowed me down from my better days. The job of President is highly stressful and takes a lot of stamina...unless the president is going to do a "Trump" and not govern. Ronald Reagan showed he wasn't up to the task, especially in his second term.
That leaves Kamala Harris alone at the top. I think Beto O'Rourke has a lot of that energy and might make a good VP. His statement that he would be happy if the wall at El Paso Texas was removed entirely will play into the Republicans hands.
Elizabeth Warren will not be able to shed the Pocahontas label, but it will be the native American tribes that will be less forgiving.
I would move both Sherrod Brown and Amy Klobuchar up into the top 5, but let's see who else emerges...an unknown now, but hey there is still time.

Yes , I agree with you; I like Kamala Harris; she gave an good show with the Kavanaugh questioning. Also it is time we get more people out of the "coastal" area's like California/East coast where they are not living in the 1800's.

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