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    Dockadams Wrote: It's about time to lobby for another one to restrict presidential powers. The document is outdated. I'd also like to see the second amendment rewritten or repealed too.

    Is the Constitution perfect? Absolutely not. However, flippantly ripping it up and starting over won't be as peaches and cream as many people have convinced themselves it would be. The law of unintended consequences would undoubtedly rear her ugly head if we were to simply rip up our Constitution and start anew.

    We don't need a Constitutional Amendment to restrict Presidential powers. All we need is a Congress with a backbone. Not just that, but what, exactly, would an Amendment that "restricts Presidential powers" say? What exact powers do you want to restrict? Who do you want to give those powers to? Who will enforce it? I'd also refer you to the fiasco of the 18th Amendment as a case study of what happens when Constitutional Amendments are rushed into ratification without much thought.

    All I'm trying to say is that we already have the what we need to reign in an out of control President and it's called the Congress of the United States. We don't need to change the Constitution in order to get Congress to do its job.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: It's about time to lobby for another one to restrict presidential powers. The document is outdated. I'd also like to see the second amendment rewritten or repealed too.

    Is the Constitution perfect? Absolutely not. However, flippantly ripping it up and starting over won't be as peaches and cream as many people have convinced themselves it would be. The law of unintended consequences would undoubtedly rear her ugly head if we were to simply rip up our Constitution and start anew.

    We don't need a Constitutional Amendment to restrict Presidential powers. All we need is a Congress with a backbone. Not just that, but what, exactly, would an Amendment that "restricts Presidential powers" say? What exact powers do you want to restrict? Who do you want to give those powers to? Who will enforce it? I'd also refer you to the fiasco of the 18th Amendment as a case study of what happens when Constitutional Amendments are rushed into ratification without much thought.

    All I'm trying to say is that we already have the what we need to reign in an out of control President and it's called the Congress of the United States. We don't need to change the Constitution in order to get Congress to do its job.

    Sorry Jared you live in la la land. No congress ever will do anything, because people sit there, who should not be sitting there, like Mc Connell, Graham, Grassley, Jordan, Mulvany, Meadows, Navarro, Hatch, and so on, who are programmed by FOX News. Sorry there is no backbone in congress because the "stupid" States run the show.

    I guess you don't understand on how other countries do this. In western Europe none of the prime Ministers can do what Trump does; they can't on their own introduce "tariffs" or order "troops" to the border etc. So start an"study group" on how other countries limit the Presidential "powers". The "stupid" part of this country has way too much power here, because of the "electoral college" thus start changing that as a start , to get more "brains" into the government. Also the lack of "real" education in the "dumb" States would need help, but there is no money for good schools, let alone "free" education and well trained teachers; this government rather spends it on a "wall" or "war toys" or Trump's outings.

    Sorry Jared an "huge" cleanup is needed here in all area's. Especially the "corruption" in everything, including elections .

    Get rid of "PAC"s and "money" in elections ; properly "vet" any candidate; Add proper "amendments" to the Constitution, like the "second amendment" change that to clarify that we "don't have an "militia" now, but write in, stringent regulations on who can own an gun. etc. All these old outdated laws won't work with "clarifications" of corrupt lawyers. Therefore write those such way that no lawyer can't find "loopholes" in it. This is the "lawyer" country of the world, because our present laws are written such way with huge loopholes or "magic" things of which lawyers make fortunes of it. How come that in Europe it is difficult even to find a lawyer. But yeah, we rather leave it so, because we love lawyers; the more the better. I guess Trump needs at least an dozen.

    Again Jared all of this is an self inflicted wound. I guess this country refuses to become "normal" even in 2019. Just let Presidents do what they like, just as in the stone age and even Mueller is not sure if he can stop him, let alone an Congress consisting of some "weird people" who never should have been there in the first place, due to the uneducated part of the country who's thinking is indeed representing the "stone age" like Manchin and the "bitch" from Maine and Graham of S. Carolina. etc.

    You will likely say,then people should vote for the right candidate; however that is made impossible due to the "propaganda" from FOX (which is allowed under the Constitution, thus another stupidity by not properly "amending" what "free speech" means) and others like Sinclair and no real good "education" in those particular States, let alone being "analytic" or on how "economics" work in the "world" around this "island"

    Thus there is an"lot" to fix in this country, but the "present "system" prevents it from happening. Amen

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    I fully understand "how other countries do this," Dutch. Other countries have a parliamentary system. We do not. You can complain about it all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that our system of governance is vastly different than that of other Westernized democracies.

    You can complain about how bad the system is until the cows come home, but that's not going to accomplish anything. Is our system of governance ideal? Absolutely not. I'd much rather have a parliamentary system where our leader's hold on power is only as strong as the coalition they lead, but what I wish for doesn't much matter.

    I'd also point to a number of countries you hold in high regard for their system of governance who are going through quite turbulent times. Far-right parties are sweeping across Europe faster than the Black Death did in the 1300's. Many of them are now part of or in control of ruling coalitions. Did a parliamentary system prevent them from their far rightward shift?

    Here's the thing - you want to reign in an out of control Executive. I do too. We have the ability to do that now. Unfortunately a large percentage of the country isn't on board with that. That seems to be what you're more upset about than anything else.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: It's about time to lobby for another one to restrict presidential powers. The document is outdated. I'd also like to see the second amendment rewritten or repealed too.

    Is the Constitution perfect? Absolutely not. However, flippantly ripping it up and starting over won't be as peaches and cream as many people have convinced themselves it would be. The law of unintended consequences would undoubtedly rear her ugly head if we were to simply rip up our Constitution and start anew.

    We don't need a Constitutional Amendment to restrict Presidential powers. All we need is a Congress with a backbone. Not just that, but what, exactly, would an Amendment that "restricts Presidential powers" say? What exact powers do you want to restrict? Who do you want to give those powers to? Who will enforce it? I'd also refer you to the fiasco of the 18th Amendment as a case study of what happens when Constitutional Amendments are rushed into ratification without much thought.

    All I'm trying to say is that we already have the what we need to reign in an out of control President and it's called the Congress of the United States. We don't need to change the Constitution in order to get Congress to do its job.

    I think you're a speed reader. Did you ever take an Evelyn Woods class?
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    Dockadams Wrote: I think you're a speed reader. Did you ever take an Evelyn Woods class?
    Oh, I am certainly no speed reader. I may be a speed thinker, but I have a feeling my reading speed is just plain ole average.
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    Topic: A Border Deal.

    Two words: Russian distraction

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    TJ Wrote:

    Topic: A Border Deal.

    Two words: Russian distraction

    It seems the pretty much everything on Trump's plate is used as a distraction for whatever else is his plate, things just get rotated around. Basically, its total chaos, and its well past anything remotely acceptable, and I believe for Trump, that is just fine, the more choas the better....

    He doesn't understand any of the basics on any of the issues, so he stirs things up to the point where most people are just as confused, and are unable to filter out the truth from the BS, which is exactly how he has operated his adult life, personally and professional. Its like he playing a game, pick any game you want,and he keeps changing the rules when the rules are not in his favor, but convinces everyone that they must still play the the rules, until he changes the rules... The trick is that he gets people to buy into all of it, so when changes the rules, people willing beleive they are locked into whever he says is true. Its not about the Truth, its about convincing people that BS is the truth largely because they can't figure if Up is Down, or if the Sun rises in the West or East.

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    I think the Democratic party should get historically huge numbers to register to vote. Next they need to convince historically huge numbers to firmly commit to voting in November of 2020. Between newly registered and long time voters. It must be seen as a narcissistic self serving problem that can be and must be solved.
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    Apparently Trump plans to declare a national emergency after signing the congressional bi-partisan agreement. If he does, it would take about a nanosecond before somebody goes to court to prevent it.
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    that guy in AZ Wrote: Apparently Trump plans to declare a national emergency after signing the congressional bi-partisan agreement. If he does, it would take about a nanosecond before somebody goes to court to prevent it.

    From what I've been reading in the the main stream media, top 10 poltical newspapers\TV\online, Trump has next to zero chance of winning a legal battle that won't be decided for many months. However, Trump likely does not care, but its all about making his base beleive in a non-reality.

    What I find interesting to a limited degree is that if you listen to the political commentators on Fox news, Trump will decisively win the legal fight because, in their view, the southern boarder is being over-run by 10,000s of rapists, drug dealers, and organized gangs with military weapons every single day. Fox News paints a picture of an undeclared war by all the countries south of the US boarder, and their collective strategy is to send all their criminals and deadbeats to the US, and is giving them money and weapons to invade the US. Once they get to the boarder, they are simply overwhelming the US Boader partrol by 100s to 1... Watching Fox News paints a very bleak picture of how, at any moment, our government will be forced into unconditional surrender of illegal immigrant as they storm the WH. So with that fear in mind, once Trump sends some troops the boarder, and our way of life is not destroyed, and White Americans are not forced into slavery (see Planet of the Apes), Donald trump becomes a national hero for preventing something that never was going to happen in the first place. Trump get to claim victory over the biggest war that never happen, and never was going to happen, but will make him 10s of millions when he tells his re-vionist version of history in his upcoming book "How Donald Trump saved America and Saved the World"

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    wwjd Wrote:
    that guy in AZ Wrote: Apparently Trump plans to declare a national emergency after signing the congressional bi-partisan agreement. If he does, it would take about a nanosecond before somebody goes to court to prevent it.

    From what I've been reading in the the main stream media, top 10 poltical newspapers\TV\online, Trump has next to zero chance of winning a legal battle that won't be decided for many months. However, Trump likely does not care, but its all about making his base beleive in a non-reality.

    What I find interesting to a limited degree is that if you listen to the political commentators on Fox news, Trump will decisively win the legal fight because, in their view, the southern boarder is being over-run by 10,000s of rapists, drug dealers, and organized gangs with military weapons every single day. Fox News paints a picture of an undeclared war by all the countries south of the US boarder, and their collective strategy is to send all their criminals and deadbeats to the US, and is giving them money and weapons to invade the US. Once they get to the boarder, they are simply overwhelming the US Boader partrol by 100s to 1... Watching Fox News paints a very bleak picture of how, at any moment, our government will be forced into unconditional surrender of illegal immigrant as they storm the WH. So with that fear in mind, once Trump sends some troops the boarder, and our way of life is not destroyed, and White Americans are not forced into slavery (see Planet of the Apes), Donald trump becomes a national hero for preventing something that never was going to happen in the first place. Trump get to claim victory over the biggest war that never happen, and never was going to happen, but will make him 10s of millions when he tells his re-vionist version of history in his upcoming book "How Donald Trump saved America and Saved the World"

    What you paint, fits la la land precisely. Poor democrats and they think they can save this country and planet; looking at the total picture of this country now, what else can go wrong? Even in Venezuela things may get better, but not here.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    I fully understand "how other countries do this," Dutch. Other countries have a parliamentary system. We do not. You can complain about it all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that our system of governance is vastly different than that of other Westernized democracies.

    You can complain about how bad the system is until the cows come home, but that's not going to accomplish anything. Is our system of governance ideal? Absolutely not. I'd much rather have a parliamentary system where our leader's hold on power is only as strong as the coalition they lead, but what I wish for doesn't much matter.

    I'd also point to a number of countries you hold in high regard for their system of governance who are going through quite turbulent times. Far-right parties are sweeping across Europe faster than the Black Death did in the 1300's. Many of them are now part of or in control of ruling coalitions. Did a parliamentary system prevent them from their far rightward shift?

    Here's the thing - you want to reign in an out of control Executive. I do too. We have the ability to do that now. Unfortunately a large percentage of the country isn't on board with that. That seems to be what you're more upset about than anything else.

    Sure, you are getting the "picture" however it should be possible to "design" an lawful operating document for the President unrelated to the Constitution, which exactly does define the limits of an President . This can be an "free" standing document to be signed under oath at the inauguration.

    Right now he can act like any "dictator", especially right now with "the emergency demand" for the money for the "wall"

    Like I've said so many times,he's likely to make fortunes from such money via the contractors who overprice the project in order for him to skim off money via LLC's to certain overseas bank accounts; the same as the money "trail" to pay Stormy etc. I guarantee that that is his objective to get the most money out of it for himself, because he knows his "time" is just about running out. He'll likely resigns and cashes in. Wake up America; you are forgetting you invited an "mob" boss into the W.H.

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    Just saw the "idiot" on TV; he belongs in the "nut house for sure; just like I predicted: give him an "finger" like Pelosi did, then he's going to take the whole hand. Now he has 2 "loyalist" in the Supreme Court and one other "loyal" person (Barr) in ex-Sessions position, so he thinks he can get an OK for his ridiculous "money grabbing" via an "emergency" call. Like I said a zillion times to Jared why does this country refuse to make solid laws to curtail the Presidential "powers". People here should have seen the warning signs, when he said in his campaign: "I alone can fix it" which clearly point to an "dictatorship" wish.

    I personally don't see an way out for this, except impeachment, provided Mueller presents an watertight report.

    Over the whole world who watched the Trump "oracle", they are laughing their heads off. The reputation of this country has sunk even lower than ever; Putin and Kim must have died laughing as well and hit themselves on the chest for this huge created success for which they did not have to do much at all .

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    wwjd:

    It seems like a lot of what Trump does and says is a distraction from the myriads of scandals he is responsible for. In a lot of ways, his administration reminds me of the 1997 movie, Wag The Dog.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog