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jaredsxtn Wrote:Dutch Wrote: What the hell is going on here? Has Pelosi now become an "weakling" and "liar" ; she always said not a "penny for the "wall". An typical without "backbone" solution which gives Trump another finger , and then the "whole hand". It looks like the same stupidity as with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh , no guts, just "creep" and "bow". Are they so afraid of Trump?
What Speaker Pelosi said on numerous occasions is that she will not give a single penny for Donald's vanity project in order to reopen the government. Her position all along was to go through a process called regular order to negotiate funding for the various agencies affected in the current budget debate.
Yes, that is my understanding. No hostage notations. Trump was holding the US government (workers) hostage as a political tactic to accomplish a political goal. There was nothing about "The Wall" that required the government to shut down until it got more funding.
Pelosi, along with Democrats and Republicans alike, fully understood that if Trump was successful once at using government assets as hostages, he would use such tactics again and again. Not just with another shut down, but other ways of causing serious government crisis through executive orders until he gets what he wants. He could punish individual states, or groups of people, etc using his executive powers.
For Trump, the worse that will ever happen to him, not matter how bad it gets for the country, is that he retires and goes back to playing golf at Mar-a-largo. He can afford to double down, triple down, issue direct threats, raise the stakes as high as he wants, on and on and on. He literally could walk out on the WH lawn, and use a gun to execute someone, and he would not be arrested for it. It just would mean he would be forced to immediately resign. He'd be playing golf the very next day as a free man. Trump understands he is technically untouchable.