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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    When I joined this forum in 2015 I said let's get behind and elect Bernie. There is no earthly reason that the entire Democratic Party shouldn't have drafted Bernie the day he announced his candidacy. The problem is the Democratic Party puts itself above the needs of the people. College kids are forced to pledge and return their future earnings because of scheming profiteering. The only reason college cost so much and indebts students for hundreds of thousands of dollars is the easy credit abused without regulations. Kids are given multiple thousands of dollars of unsecured credit and the colleges promptly spent it all and more. My guess is that FSU gets over a billion dollars a year. There is absolutely not billions of dollars wage earners produced. One violation is throwing billions of dollars of scholarship money to the best and brightest who would have no trouble financing their own education while the less talented are forced to subsidize the best and brightest. All the college students that earn less than 80 thousand a year should be refunded their entire tuition under the same Terms Trump University was forced to settle.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Bernie would change this:

    "University operating revenues totaled $509.5 million for the 2015-16 FY, a 3.5 percent ($21,497,000) decrease from 2014-15 FY, while operating expenses totaled $1.1 billion for the 2015-16 FY, a 2.5 percent increase over 2014-15 FY."

  • Independent
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    As long as this country has trillions in debt, especially under Trump and others who were GOP presidents, then you will never get social programs going since the debt only increases, because of the GOP "hobbies/waste" such as "financing" the war industry and Trumps "created" waste. Under Clinton and Obama the debt was under control; not with Bush and Trump. Loaning "money" from others, cost again the "interest" on the loans, plus can be used by other countries as leverage against this country; such as loans from the Chinese. Also "the "debt" due dates will have an political effect as well the set dates for the installments.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch, that’s the definition of Deficit Terrorist talk. And it shits on Democrats trying to do progressive things.

    All of what you say would be true if the US federal govt was a currency user that some other agent issued.

    You do not understand federal fiscal and monetary operations.

    Interest payments by the federal govt and the decision to issue securities are all policy choices, not economic requirements, and none of that limits the ability of the govt to deficit spend.

    Learn MMT or Elect Republicans

    You can start by reading Warren Mosler’s 7DIF. It’s a short, non technical read that explains how things work in layman’s terms.

    But I’m not holding my breath.

  • Center Left
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    In essence we should replace all outdated infrastructure, provide healthcare for all, and spend endlessly because numbers are just numbers and paying is not important. Do what's popular and let future generations worry about accountability.

    Seems like a painless and popular recipe.

    I know, I am a terrorist.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    You can’t spend endlessly because resources are finite. Inflation is a constraint. Nobody is suggesting we spend willy nillly.

    But that’s just the sort of stupid, unserious comment that passes for intelligent rebuttal on this site.

    Thank you, next?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    It is so frustrating when people put words in my mouth and tell me what I do and don’t think.

    It is impossible to have a cordial conversation with you, so this will be my last reply on this or any thread you’re involved in.

    This is what happens when you run across people who call themselves democrats, which are way far left of center. In judging these kinds of people, one could say they're much like the right wing teabaggers, the tea party of recent times, who are the my way or the highway types. You can't reason with them because they believe they're always correct and other democrats are not. We've seen how this played out during the government shutdown when Obama was president. The left wing teabaggers are the types that are now flooding in as democrat candidates I fear, more people going hard left, instead of moving to the center and realizing that nothing was ever legislated with their kind (hard left) of attitudes.

    Just for kicks, I searched deficit terrorists, this is what I found:

    bing.com/search?q=deficit+terrorists&fo...

    "Deficit Terrorists Strike in the United Kingdom: United States of America Next?"

    huffingtonpost.com/ellen-brown/deficit-...

    A member of this forum also believes deficit terrorists are practicing in the USA. Well, not yet, but some austerity has taken place in the USA in small pieces, there have been laws passed making it more difficult for Americans in need to obtain unemployment benefits, EBT (food stamps) and housing, medicals assistance, and so forth, some republicans has initiated bills and passed them in numerous states making life difficult for people in need of assistance, those lawmakers, the members of the republican party or GOP are the real deficit terrorists.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Deficit Terrorism is not just about cutting spending or raising taxes to reduce budget balances; it’s also about resistance to new spending or cutting taxes and/or requiring “pay go” or “offsets” when doing those things.

    Yes, we were saved from British and Greek style austerity. But under Obama the federal govt workforce fell and net govt jobs (local, state, and federal) was flat or negative thru the 8 years of his presidency. We also several rounds of debt ceiling and C.R. fights due to the Defict Terrorist Republicans resulting in fiscal cliffs and credit rating downgrade, but we also had rolling sequestration from the Simpson-Bowles self-fail by the administration in pursuit of a Grand Bargain with the Deficit Terrorist Republicans.

    All of that contributed to the weakest economic recovery since WW2 and set the stage from Trump in 2016.

    The deficit myths or fake news pedaled by Deficit Terrorists of both parties have always been there but they never did as much damage until the Obama presidency; probably owing to Republican resistance to the first black president, but he did not do himself any favors with his own Deficit Terrorist overtures. Thankfully, relatively speaking, the Tea Party rejected Obama’s austerity plans and we only ended up with the automatic sequestrations under Simpson-Bowles. Otherwise, Obama’s plans might have led to Romney being elected by setting off a double dip recession.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    It is so frustrating when people put words in my mouth and tell me what I do and don’t think.

    It is impossible to have a cordial conversation with you, so this will be my last reply on this or any thread you’re involved in.

    This is what happens when you run across people who call themselves democrats, which are way far left of center. In judging these kinds of people, one could say they're much like the right wing teabaggers, the tea party of recent times, who are the my way or the highway types. You can't reason with them because they believe they're always correct and other democrats are not. We've seen how this played out during the government shutdown when Obama was president. The left wing teabaggers are the types that are now flooding in as democrat candidates I fear, more people going hard left, instead of moving to the center and realizing that nothing was ever legislated with their kind (hard left) of attitudes.

    Just for kicks, I searched deficit terrorists, this is what I found:

    bing.com/search?q=deficit+terrorists&fo...

    "Deficit Terrorists Strike in the United Kingdom: United States of America Next?"

    huffingtonpost.com/ellen-brown/deficit-...

    A member of this forum also believes deficit terrorists are practicing in the USA. Well, not yet, but some austerity has taken place in the USA in small pieces, there have been laws passed making it more difficult for Americans in need to obtain unemployment benefits, EBT (food stamps) and housing, medicals assistance, and so forth, some republicans has initiated bills and passed them in numerous states making life difficult for people in need of assistance, those lawmakers, the members of the republican party or GOP are the real deficit terrorists.

    Dockadams, Wanting healthcare for anybody needing it and wanting a living wage and wanting free education is not left of center it is dead in the center. The problem is the Party has gone so far right that normal human rights issues look like communism. There is no reason this country and the world should not be enjoying prosperity other than the extreme right wing conservatism of winner take all. FDR started something that pissed the right off so bad that they can't see straight. There is nothing left of center about insuring basic human rights. Standing up and cheering for people making billions of dollars from paper trades while other people suffer and die earlier is blasphemous. There is no opportunity for people to earn a living if all the money that could create jobs is stockpiled and hoarded. There is a name for that, plutocracy. The USA is not a democracy and that should have every Democratic standing up and demanding fairness.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The country is being run by corporate raiders. They are cutting costs, selling off profitable segments and buying back stock. Let's look at the dirty bastard that says USA ain't going socialist and see how socialistic they have abused the country. The post office could be a big money maker. So what do the bastards do??? The privatize the easy money parts of the postal system and then socialize the money losers. The most right wing GOPr will socialize anything that is a money loser. There are more things that are greedily socialized by the right in the name of greed. Corporate raiding the country for fun and profit.
  • Independent
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Dutch, that’s the definition of Deficit Terrorist talk. And it shits on Democrats trying to do progressive things.

    All of what you say would be true if the US federal govt was a currency user that some other agent issued.

    You do not understand federal fiscal and monetary operations.

    Interest payments by the federal govt and the decision to issue securities are all policy choices, not economic requirements, and none of that limits the ability of the govt to deficit spend.

    Learn MMT or Elect Republicans

    You can start by reading Warren Mosler’s 7DIF. It’s a short, non technical read that explains how things work in layman’s terms.

    But I’m not holding my breath.

    I guess you don't understand the word "balance"; the world economy does not run by the US alone; that is were you are mistaken. If others have to bail you out, they get leverage over you; that is the continuous power play game worldwide. Empires come and go; the US is right now on an downhill course and will become more and more "isolated" because they play the wrong game. All of this has to do with "who wants what" to extend their powers. This game has been going on forever; way before your MMT thinking. "Money" is an "human" invention and is used to get "power" over others; pure an monopoly game. If you have too much "debt" with others ( i.e. loans) then you loose in this world. Ask Hitler and Stalin and Maduro.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Carlitos Wrote:

    Dutch, that’s the definition of Deficit Terrorist talk. And it shits on Democrats trying to do progressive things.

    All of what you say would be true if the US federal govt was a currency user that some other agent issued.

    You do not understand federal fiscal and monetary operations.

    Interest payments by the federal govt and the decision to issue securities are all policy choices, not economic requirements, and none of that limits the ability of the govt to deficit spend.

    Learn MMT or Elect Republicans

    You can start by reading Warren Mosler’s 7DIF. It’s a short, non technical read that explains how things work in layman’s terms.

    But I’m not holding my breath.

    I guess you don't understand the word "balance"; the world economy does not run by the US alone; that is were you are mistaken. If others have to bail you out, they get leverage over you; that is the continuous power play game worldwide. Empires come and go; the US is right now on an downhill course and will become more and more "isolated" because they play the wrong game. All of this has to do with "who wants what" to extend their powers. This game has been going on forever; way before your MMT thinking. "Money" is an "human" invention and is used to get "power" over others; pure an monopoly game. If you have too much "debt" with others ( i.e. loans) then you loose in this world. Ask Hitler and Stalin and Maduro.

    "If you have too much "debt" with others ( i.e. loans) then you loose in this world. Ask Hitler and Stalin and Maduro."

    Current US debt +22 trillion dollars.

  • Independent
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    Chet absolutely correct; Carlitos idea's don't cut it; because it only covers an very small element of the world economy, because "money" means "leverage" in this world. You can print "money" all you like, but such money may become eventually worthless. Why does Russian oligards (and others) convert (launder) their money in the West and via Trump; because the "Rouble" is worthless in this world.

    That is why Presidents as Trump (who went bankrupt several times) should not be allowed to be the persons who use their "dictatorship" to meddle in the world economy. This should be done by "experts" who understand all the "in's and out's. Everything in this world is connected, if you like it or not. The "Trump naive island isolation thinking" will destroy this country. I bet on it.

    Carlitos can call me an "debt terrorist" if he likes; but I've no "debt", and can sleep at night, but Trump does and went "bankrupt"(affecting all his workers) several times (so an fantastic choice as President). So the US "debt" and understanding and its affect on the world does matter.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Chet absolutely correct; Carlitos idea's don't cut it; because it only covers an very small element of the world economy, because "money" means "leverage" in this world. You can print "money" all you like, but such money may become eventually worthless. Why does Russian oligards (and others) convert (launder) their money in the West and via Trump; because the "Rouble" is worthless in this world.

    That is why Presidents as Trump should not be allowed to be the persons who use their "dictatorship" to meddle in the world economy. This should be done by "experts" who understand all the "in's and out's. Everything in this world is connected, if you like it or not. The "Trump naive island isolation thinking" will destroy this country. I bet on it.

    Too much money in unregulated private hands is just as dangerous as WMDs in private hands. The country maintains currency and stabilizes currency so currency should benefit the national interest, not used to subvert the national interest. Poverty exists by design. There is no excuse for poverty.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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