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  • jaredsxtn
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Nope, the reason I speak to you like this is you do not approach these discussions in “good faith” and you routinely shit on other Democrats. I am just taking out the trash.

    If by "other Democrats" you mean a registered Independent who tried to conduct a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party and then shit on the eventual nominee after he lost the primary in a landslide then yes, I routinely "shit on other Democrats."

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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Nope, the reason I speak to you like this is you do not approach these discussions in “good faith” and you routinely shit on other Democrats. I am just taking out the trash.

    I am so glad you're not an owner or a moderator of this website, there wouldn't be anyone using it, you'd be taking out the trash.
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    That’s a stupid comment.

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    I wasn’t just referring to Bernie but he campaigned for Hillary and announced for her at the convention and he’s not the one who told her team to not put resources in the Rust Belt.
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    jaredsxtn said :

    "We agree that drastic change needs to be done to help the majority of Americans who are struggling to get by. Where we disagree is with how those policies can be achieved."

    My years of telling you how bad conditions are and how people are suffering must be getting through. You contradicted everything I said when I told you people were looking for help and if the party didn't recognise and do something that Trump would get elected. But as far as disagreeing about how to help you have never said anything other than Bernie can't do it. What policies would you support to affect a change?

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    Carlitos said:

    "The “Affordable Care Act” has never been affordable for working people because Deficit Terrorist Democrats self-required it to be “paid for.”

    You are in total error about the ACA. It had nothing to do with deficits. Obama made a deal with the devil and promised the devil every citizen would buy insurance. That brought about the mandate and also made health insurance out of the reach of millions of people. Having people absorb the cost of health insurance was the only way possible he thought he could insure his legacy with health insurance.

  • Carlitos
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    Chet, the Democrats required the bill to be deficit neutral as per CBO scoring. That limited the subsidies needed to make the Exchange plans affordable. While a majority of Americans now support the overall legislation according to the polling, nobody supports the outrageous pricing and ridiculous deductibles, copays and coinsurance terms of the Exchange plans.
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    All announced and likely Democratic candidates for President in 2020 support all or part of Bernie’s MFA Bill or some other version of MFA.

    According to Jared, all of them would be pie in sky thinkers who need a lesson in how govt works. Castro, Harris, Booker, Warren, Gilibrand, Gabbard, Brown, Klobuchar and O’Rourke are all on board with some type of MFA system. Jared and others have shit on them all by virtually repeating the claims of Howard Schultz and other idiot pricks who don’t know what the fuck they are talking about.

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    Carlitos Wrote: Chet, the Democrats required the bill to be deficit neutral as per CBO scoring. That limited the subsidies needed to make the Exchange plans affordable. While a majority of Americans now support the overall legislation according to the polling, nobody supports the outrageous pricing and ridiculous deductibles, copays and coinsurance terms of the Exchange plans.
    Obama's legacy. I still think of him in terms of his 04 speech. He turns out to be a typical elitist out of touch with the people.
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    I think Obama did what he could with the caucus as it stood. And Ocare was improvement over previous system. The President can’t do the progressive things when virtually all of his Congressional backers are Deficit Terrorists. It cost them the 2010 midterms and set the stage for Trump in 2016.

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    Another thing, 64 Democratic members of the House and 9 Senators in the Dem caucus are co sponsors of the Green New Deal. AOC and Sen Markey -MA are the House and Senator sponsors.

    It calls for deficit spending to achieve its objectives. AOC and Ro Khana are the leading House members incorporating elements of MMT in actual legislation. MMT and allied economists are the leading academics in the support of a GND.

    According to Jared’s and other’s, logic, 74 congressional Democrats + Bernie Sanders all need a lesson in how our govt works and are not honest about how they would pay for their proposals. These are the launch numbers. More will join.

    You couldn’t take a bigger shit on the Democratic Party right now than by deploying the “how are you going to pay for that” troll trope.

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    It is so frustrating when people put words in my mouth and tell me what I do and don’t think.

    It is impossible to have a cordial conversation with you, so this will be my last reply on this or any thread you’re involved in.

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    “how are you going to pay for that”

    Wouldn't be much of housing. Automobile or college without deficit spending.

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    Look, take your ball and go home.

    You brought up the “pay for” nonsense in your 2nd or 3rd reply post bashing Bernie.

    You routinely disparage progressive Democrats and Bernie Sanders. When a progressive proposes progressive things, you are one of the first to shit on it and claim it can’t be paid for without raising taxes on working people. And that whoever is proposing whatever is naive or deliberately misleading.

    You have been told time and again that the real question is about the availabilty of real resources. And that financial constraints are not the problem.

    I have engaged with you peacefully and cordially in the past and you smugly insulted me, questioned my intelligence, and disparaged me.

    When I return the favor, you cry foul.

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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Look, take your ball and go home.

    You brought up the “pay for” nonsense in your 2nd or 3rd reply post bashing Bernie.

    You routinely disparage progressive Democrats and Bernie Sanders. When a progressive proposes progressive things, you are one of the first to shit on it and claim it can’t be paid for without raising taxes on working people. And that whoever is proposing whatever is naive or deliberately misleading.

    You have been told time and again that the real question is about the availabilty of real resources. And that financial constraints are not the problem.

    I have engaged with you peacefully and cordially in the past and you smugly insulted me, questioned my intelligence, and disparaged me.

    When I return the favor, you cry foul.

    What an total nonsense ; please spent your time on other things; this thread is indeed useless; only words no substance.
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