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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Outside of Schmidt, you are all Deficit Terrorist Democracts.

    The “Affordable Care Act” has never been affordable for working people because Deficit Terrorist Democrats self-required it to be “paid for.”

    If you want to win Republican votes, we can bridge that a payroll tax holiday on workers and businesses should be universally accepted. But Deficit Terrorist Democrats will never accept that because they think that Social Security and Medicare will be bankrupt and that there’s no other way to do things - that’s just idiocy.

    We need to stop giving the Republicans a run for their money as the stupid party.

    You call my skepticism of your positions deficit terrorism, I call it understanding our system of governance.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Terrorism is exactly what it is.

    Obstinate ignorance is usually evidence of a policy preference - Kalecki

    you either believe in telling the truth or you are some type of subversive.

    there is never a financial affordability constraint faced by the USG that is not self-created or self-imposed given today’s system of governance.

    LearnMMT or Elect Republicans

  • Independent
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Terrorism is exactly what it is.

    Obstinate ignorance is usually evidence of a policy preference - Kalecki

    you either believe in telling the truth or you are some type of subversive.

    there is never a financial affordability constraint faced by the USG that is not self-created or self-imposed given today’s system of governance.

    LearnMMT or Elect Republicans

    No, I guess you have no idea at all what you are talking about. "Terrorism" applies to other thinks, but not to "talking" about "money" management or world economy, unless you talk about "corruption" or "mismanagement".
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos Wrote: Terrorism is exactly what it is.

    I didn't realize that my skepticism of your "my way or the highway" way of doing things was the same as "using violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

    Carlitos Wrote: Obstinate ignorance is usually evidence of a policy preference - Kalecki

    you either believe in telling the truth or you are some type of subversive.

    there is never a financial affordability constraint faced by the USG that is not self-created or self-imposed given today’s system of governance.

    LearnMMT or Elect Republicans

    We agree that drastic change needs to be done to help the majority of Americans who are struggling to get by. Where we disagree is with how those policies can be achieved. If it's easier for you to call me names to make yourself feel better then that's your prerogative.

    Major legislation isn't enacted into law by waiving magic wands.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Bernie addresses everything this country needs. The only problem I have with Bernie is he doesn't address money like a resource. If money was treated like it was created to be, a means to facilitate the exchange of goods and services, then prosperity would prevail. I see people everyday that suffer because they can't afford healthcare. That is a travesty.
    Money is being treated as a means to facilitate the exchange of goods and services. That has never changed. Show me when and where that stopped happening.
    Derivatives, dynasty trusts any thing that stagnates money. If all the money that is stagnated securing positions in the stock market was invested in jobs producing ventures the world would thrive in prosperity.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    MMT nor Carlitos address how simple it would be to create prosperity. MMT is hand in hand with status quo money hoarders. MMT is as Carlitos has described, an observation. MMT features or offers anything operational. Carlitos has never answered or addressed living wage .
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet, derivatives are contingent liabilities/assets. There is nothing ‘stagnating.’

    The premiums are flows and incomes/spending.

    Jared, yes Austerity politics is a form of political violence, especially with respect to healthcare. No other force on Earth has ever done as much economic damage to the United States as our own Defict Terrorists. Complete self-fail.

    If you or or others don’t like being called out for saying stupid things, stop saying stupid things.

    The “pay for” debates are over. Your side lost. Get over it. Or continue to Elect Republicans who have no problem running deficits to accomplish their sick agenda.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet, just stop.

    MMT economists are the force behind the JG which is the right way to set a living wage.

    Most MMT people are very left wing progressives. I am more centrist and conservative minded. But its more of an approach and emphasis type of thing - owing to the fact that I was introduced to all this directly by Warren Mosler.

    I am currently networking with AOC people and other Congressional offices and staff on promoting the payroll tax holiday as a counter measure to embarrass the Republicans for failing to pass a modest simple tax cut for working people. We have at least 20 votes currently, and Obama era legislation as precedent to expand upon.

    No, this won’t bankrupt Social Security or Medicare and any Defict Terrorist Democrat promoting that crap will be dealt with harshly as they are almost always in bad faith, refuse to listen, and are obscenely ignorant of how federal operations actually work.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Chet, derivatives are contingent liabilities/assets. There is nothing ‘stagnating.’

    The premiums are flows and incomes/spending.

    Jared, yes Austerity politics is a form of political violence, especially with respect to healthcare. No other force on Earth has ever done as much economic damage to the United States as our own Defict Terrorists. Complete self-fail.

    If you or or others don’t like being called out for saying stupid things, stop saying stupid things.

    The “pay for” debates are over. Your side lost. Get over it. Or continue to Elect Republicans who have no problem running deficits to accomplish their sick agenda.

    You are putting words into my mouth...again. Especially when it comes to healthcare. I encourage you to read some of my hundreds of posts on that subject if you'd like to get a better understanding of my views concerning our healthcare system.

    Some people desperately need some elementary civics lessons. Waiving magic wands and promising us that MMT is the only way to get anything done ever is what I'm pushing back against.

    If you want to call that political terrorism then so be it.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    You don’t understand federal fiscal and monetary operations. That’s okay. The problem is pretending you do or that the conventional wisdom driving your short cut belief system is beyond repproach.

    whenever an idea doesn’t correspond with what you believe, your cognitive dissonance takes over and you punch left and say ‘look at me I’m a responsible progressive and no one else is as reasonable as me.’ Fuck that shit.

    I’ve never said anything about MMT delivering healthcare or being a “magic wand.” I’m just saying it answers the “pay for” question. It does. That debate is over. Science wins. STFD and STFU and stop with the conspiracy theories. Go play dolls or something or do anything else but regurgitate any version of the “how are you going to pay for that” attack to shit on other Democrats or Bernie, who is in the Dem Congressional caucus. Pretending that the question hasn’t been answered at this point is on par with the antivaxers, flat earthers, global warming deniers, NASA moon landing conspiracy theories, or whatever kooky stupid crap you can think of. There is already a stupid party and you can go join that one.

    The funds to pay taxes or buy govt securities come from spending or lending by the federal govt and its agents. There is no other way to do it with the institutional structure and govt system that we have. Anyone else saying different is a very unserious person and has no business discussing fiscal policy or monetary policy. That would be you and most members of this website.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    You don’t understand federal fiscal and monetary operations. That’s okay. The problem is pretending you do or that the conventional wisdom driving your short cut belief system is beyond repproach.

    whenever an idea doesn’t correspond with what you believe, your cognitive dissonance takes over and you punch left and say ‘look at me I’m a responsible progressive and no one else is as reasonable as me.’ Fuck that shit.

    I’ve never said anything about MMT delivering healthcare or being a “magic wand.” I’m just saying it answers the “pay for” question. It does. That debate is over. Science wins. STFD and STFU and stop with the conspiracy theories. Go play dolls or something or do anything else but regurgitate any version of the “how are you going to pay for that” attack to shit on other Democrats or Bernie, who is in the Dem Congressional caucus. Pretending that the question hasn’t been answered at this point is on par with the antivaxers, flat earthers, global warming deniers, NASA moon landing conspiracy theories, or whatever kooky stupid crap you can think of. There is already a stupid party and you can go join that one.

    The funds to pay taxes or buy govt securities come from spending or lending by the federal govt and its agents. There is no other way to do it with the institutional structure and govt system that we have. Anyone else saying different is a very unserious person and has no business discussing fiscal policy or monetary policy. That would be you and most members of this website.

    Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I "don't understand" what you're talking about. That's why having any discussion with you is worthless. If someone challenges you, you simply call them idiots who have zero critical thought. It's really annoying.

    You're really no different than Chet. You're right. Everyone else is wrong. You're smart. Everyone else is stupid. Anyone who dares to disagree with you is an antivaxer flat earther who believes in NASA moon landing conspiracy theories. That's because you're just too damn smart for your own good and all of us idiots are too stupid to understand you.

    That's a really solid way to get people to come around to your side of the argument...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    In order for the USA to implement what MMT theory is, you'd need a global economy to go along with what MMT preaches, and I don't believe the world is ready for that at this time, or in the near future. You'd need geopolitical agreements which haven't even been tried out yet to see if they'd be successful.

    MMT: "Modern Monetary Theory (MMT or Modern Money Theory) is a heterodox macroeconomic theory that describes the currency as a public monopoly and unemployment as the evidence that a currency monopolist is restricting the supply of the financial assets needed to pay taxes and satisfy savings desires."

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_T...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Nope, the reason I speak to you like this is you do not approach these discussions in “good faith” and you routinely shit on other Democrats. I am just taking out the trash.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dockadams, I don’t know what you are talking about and it doesn’t make any sense.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Dockadams, I don’t know what you are talking about and it doesn’t make any sense.

    Well, you're the perfect candidate for a run of the office of president. If you're so dissatisfied with responses and opinions of people here, why do you even bother with trashy democrats? I went to the grocery store and loaded up a bunch of groceries and walked out of the store with them, a security guard stopped me in the parking lot and asked, hey man, aren't you going to pay for that stuff? I said no, my MMT economist said I didn't have to.