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VA governor KKK nonsense.

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    Again an 35 year old picture shows up in an " yearbook" showing the Governor? dressed like an "black" man or an KKK member. Now on TV they make an hell of an deal of it and demand he resigns.

    Why do these TV people, immediately show an picture ( in an Klan parade) of Trumps "dad" who was one of the most "decorated" member of the KKK. Thus Trump should also immediately resign because he follows in "dad"s footsteps.

    All I can say "hypocrites"!

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    My stance on this is that this is forgivable offense, but requires taking full responsibility for past behavior. At the moment, he is denying that he is in that picture. A very bad political move, even if 100% true.

    Here is what I think he should have said assuming he being 100% truthful and not spinning:

    "I take responsibility for that picture appear in the year book. I've done some things that I am not proud of out of ignorance, stupidity, and insensitivity to others. I was raised in racist community and lived among people who made racist jokes. Most were not bad people who had a political agenda to suppress others, like me, they inherited racist beliefs from generations before them. Racism does not die over night, it continues to die slowly every day with each generation as we become more aware of the harm that racism does to specific people, and to specific communities, and to ourselves."

    The problem that currently exists now, for anyone in politics past transgressions are never forgiven. A politician may survive a scandal, but the sin is never forgiven.

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    Neil Gorsuch is another good example. I believe without an doubt he is guilty of sexually assaulting women in the past. But because nothing is forgiven politics, he was forced to lie. Clearly his past transgressions were far worse than putting on a blackface, and Gorsuch's career would have been 100% over if admitted assaulting women in HS and college. However, decades later it is possible he fully understands the harm he has inflicted on women, and regrets actions, but we shall never know because realistically if he had come clean, his wife might have left him, he would have be unemployable in the legal profession, and 95% of friends and family would have turn their back on him, no matter if he completely regrets and atoned for past harm he has inflected. One possible conclusion is that he might be far better judge now because he fully understands harm he has inflicted on women in the past (I have no opinion if he has or has not).

    Basically, a gun was put Gorsuch's head with two options: 1) Tell the truth and his current life is over(symbolically), or 2) lie and get appointed to the SC. Our "political" system practically guarantees that telling lies is better than confessing to the truth of past transgressions. DT exploits this political reality, and he uses it to his benefit by telling lies even when not avoiding the truth, he simply lies about everything because politically it is better than telling the truth about anything.

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    On This American Life, they had a podcast many years ago about how Liberals are far more intolerant and unforgiving than Conservatives. Liberals insist, more-or-less, once you commit an injustice (and later discovered), you are banished forever from the liberal community. Liberals may privately say they accept you back on a private personal basis, but publicly you have become an outcast that they can't invite to social gatherings nor hire you. In the past you committed the liberal sin of XXXX, therefore you will always be XXXX sinner for the rest of your life.

    Some conservatives, but not all, have grown in awareness and learned that their past racist behavior was unacceptable, therefore they can forgive others who accept responsibility for their past racism. They are more likely to understand why they were racists based on their social environment , and how they have changed their views over time.

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    Robert Byrd :

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    U.S. Senate: Civil Rights Filibuster Ended

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    At 9:51 on the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert C. Byrd completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes."

    20s and 30s.

    Robert C. Byrd, was a recruiter for the Klan while in his 20s and 30s, rising to the title of Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter. After leaving the group, Byrd spoke in favor of the Klan during his early political career. Though he claimed to have left the organization in 1943, Byrd, wrote a letter in 1946 to the group's Imperial Wizard stating "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd attempted to explain or defend his former membership in the Klan in his 1958 U.S. Senate campaign when he was "

    Robert Carlyle Byrd was an American politician who served as a United States Senator from West Virginia for over 51 years, from 1959 until his death in 2010. A member of the Democratic Party, Byrd previously served as a U.S. Representative from 1953 until 1959. He is the longest-serving U.S. Senator in history. Wikipedia"""

    Just depends who you are.

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    As mentioned on This week w/George S. It was said that if he honestly admitted that it happened and how after careful reflection he has sincere remorse. It would be easier to accept. You have to own your actions and move forward. He's playing politics and trying to spin it for the best results.

    Most don't look deeply into the news. They read headlines and listen to what others are saying.

    You would find the President trying to capitalize on the action if he hadn't already tried to bring racism back into accepted behavior.

    Common citizens should be appalled and voice their displeasure and refuse to accept it.

    If it cost them tourism dollars the volume would be heard.

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    Like I said in my thread above; Trump did worse things especially his Dad as well Miller. I found out that the GOP had as target this Governor and they dug up that yearbook, so they must have known something. Also who prepared that yearbook? Put that in there on purpose? Or did an "GOP" classmate pulled that stunt?

    Dem's watch out the "GOP" will try to undermine everything; the next thing they will likely dive in is the past of Ms. Cortez.

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    Dutch, Who knows where to draw the line. I grew up in the Ohio Valley across the river from Wheeling WV in the 40s through 70s. The N word was common in daily conversation. Tuesday's were N days at the public swimming pool, the only day black people were allowed to use it. As a kid I didn't know the reason and accepted it as well as everything else that didn't make sense. Like how a stock could be sold back and forth and still make money. That was when I started to understand the manipulation of life by the powerful people. Robert Byrd was an admitted KKK member and recruiter. Yet he remained in office for 50 years. Khashoogi is all but forgotten because we don't want to lose a contract selling WMD to a terrorist supporting country.
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    This story on the topic was released by CNN 2 hours ago. It will be interesting to see how this is ultimately resolved.

    cnn.com/2019/02/03/us/racist-photo-nort...

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    TJ Wrote:

    This story on the topic was released by CNN 2 hours ago. It will be interesting to see how this is ultimately resolved.

    cnn.com/2019/02/03/us/racist-photo-nort...

    From 10,000ft perspective this is a rebellion against DT and all that he represents and protects.

    If someone elected in the democratic party can be indirectly linked to anything that DT empowers (Racism, Homophobia, sexism, etc) they are excommunicated from the Democratic party immediately. Doesn't matter how far back in time, if the person was 18+, then its game over for them as a Democrat. This is in direct contrast to DT, who feels empowered by the exact same qualities. Racism gives him power, Homophobia gives him power, and so on. Think about it, if Northam was a Republican Governer, he would be safe. Trump and Republicans would be protecting him.

    Gov Northam's mistake was that he tried to disown it by saying it wasn't him in the picture. Even if it was a printing mistake, he still should have taken ownership of it by saying "That page belongs to me, and I take responsibility for everything printed on it.". Instead, he takes the DT route by "denying" it. Sounds just like DT; DT's long standing method is to always deny, and keep denying, and never stop denying.

    and BTW, who selected the photo in the first place and where did they get it? Who was the year book editor(s) at that time? What was the approval process? Love to get some insight from them about their decisions.

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    But he said he did not realize the picture was even there. Here is how I see it. First, it was released by a right wing outfit, so we can't let them have another gotcha moment as they did with Franken. Next, before Northam or anyone rushed to judgments or conclusions or calls to resign, everyone should have taken a collective breath and given a chance for this to be investigated. Northam screwed up by taking responsibility for the behavior then taking a closer look and realizing it wasn't him, provided that is true. That indicates at least that it MAY have been him which makes us wonder if he ever did anything like that before in addition to the Michael Jackson thing which may have just been an honest attempt at make-up with a costume and not intended as racist. He also needs to better explain the "Coonman" thing. Still, at the same time, he by all accounts is not a racist now nor has he been for MANY years, has been a good doctor, a good soldier in the army, and decent politician and governor. And if he ever did some stupid race-based stuff all those many years ago he needs to continue to apologize. And I emailed him and urged him to convene a diverse group in a meeting, listen to them, and talk about how he can work to continue to heal.

    But he SHOULD NOT RESIGN unless it is proven he has now lied about all this. We must also be the party of forgiveness and redemption. We can't be the party of ultra-purity and crucifying anyone who has ever done something wrong and stupid DECADES ago. MANY people have made innapropriate comments or done some inappropriate things in the past, including along racial and ethnic lines, especially when we were young and living in different times. Do we condemn someone forever? Do we not allow people to evolve and make amends? And we can not have double standards. Just look at Trump, Kavanagh, Steve King, etc. Right there in office. Who is calling for THEM to resign? Look at Marion Berry in D.C. and all the rotten stuff he did. Drugs, lying, jail time, etc. And was put back in office and continued to do all kinds of shady crap including racist comments about Asians, more drug and alcohol abuse, traffic violations, tax violations, etc. etc. and yet was allowed to continue on the D.C. city council for MANY years. And yet we condemn others for things done decades ago. No more!

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    The Governor had no business smiling and making light of a picture pairing an innocent with an innocent's murderer.

    The blackface portrayal in that picture was a demeaning stereotype lowered to a vile racist level paired with a true to life KKK portrayal. A person associated with racial based murder.

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    But he said he did not realize the picture was even there. Here is how I see it. First, it was released by a right wing outfit, so we can't let them have another gotcha moment as they did with Franken. Next, before Northam or anyone rushed to judgments or conclusions or calls to resign, everyone should have taken a collective breath and given a chance for this to be investigated. Northam screwed up by taking responsibility for the behavior then taking a closer look and realizing it wasn't him, provided that is true. That indicates at least that it MAY have been him which makes us wonder if he ever did anything like that before in addition to the Michael Jackson thing which may have just been an honest attempt at make-up with a costume and not intended as racist. He also needs to better explain the "Coonman" thing. Still, at the same time, he by all accounts is not a racist now nor has he been for MANY years, has been a good doctor, a good soldier in the army, and decent politician and governor. And if he ever did some stupid race-based stuff all those many years ago he needs to continue to apologize. And I emailed him and urged him to convene a diverse group in a meeting, listen to them, and talk about how he can work to continue to heal.

    But he SHOULD NOT RESIGN unless it is proven he has now lied about all this. We must also be the party of forgiveness and redemption. We can't be the party of ultra-purity and crucifying anyone who has ever done something wrong and stupid DECADES ago. MANY people have made innapropriate comments or done some inappropriate things in the past, including along racial and ethnic lines, especially when we were young and living in different times. Do we condemn someone forever? Do we not allow people to evolve and make amends? And we can not have double standards. Just look at Trump, Kavanagh, Steve King, etc. Right there in office. Who is calling for THEM to resign? Look at Marion Berry in D.C. and all the rotten stuff he did. Drugs, lying, jail time, etc. And was put back in office and continued to do all kinds of shady crap including racist comments about Asians, more drug and alcohol abuse, traffic violations, tax violations, etc. etc. and yet was allowed to continue on the D.C. city council for MANY years. And yet we condemn others for things done decades ago. No more!

    Yes, the Dem's are ignorant related to these things; just look at the Franken deal; now the bitch who got him out, runs for President. I guess she will loose, if they use their brains here. Trump and Miller are the biggest racists (and KKK supporters!) there are, but no one kicks them out. Hypocrites and "brainless idiots" run now this country, because the Dem's have become too "clean" and "holy". When I was in the Netherlands, they have Saint Nick at December 5th; his helpers are "black Peters" ; in the "fifties" I was asked to be an "black Peter" to guide the "white horse" of Saint Nick. So they did sminked me "black" . This was absolutely normal and lots of fun for the kids already for centuries. Down here they always overdo things in the wrong direction, because they never let go of the past and move into the future with an positive attitude..
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    I'll come clean now. Back in the 1960's, I grabbed a cork from my dad's Chivas Regal bottle and burnt the end of it and let it cool off, and then applied the black charcoal to my face, (Halloween) and found a stick in the back yard and bundled socks and underwear into an old pillow cover (case) and went out trick or treating as a black hobo. me bad.

    I believe I was around 13 or 14 years of age at that time. shame on me.

    I'll emphatically advise anyone running for public office not to have any skeletons in their closet/s past or present. And to not offend anyone which may come back to bite them in the arse later in life.

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    On Facebook I just saw an old picture of Mitch McConnell posing proudly in front of a confederate flag. A meeting with the Sons of the Confederacy is I believe what was mentioned.

    Duck season. - Wabbit season. - Duck season... The hunt is on.

    Calls for his resignation were mentioned.