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    That old guy in Florida IS correct about one thing - Holland has the best health care system in the world. Here's the details:

    https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2019/07/lets-go-dutch-on-this-one.html

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    That old guy in Florida IS correct about one thing - Holland has the best health care system in the world. Here's the details:

    https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2019/07/lets-go-dutch-on-this-one.html

    Thanks old guy out of Arizona; none of the candidates have thought about my suggestion of which I wrote about above your thread; that "medicare for all" does not work, because that way you create an monopoly. In The Netherlands if you your are earning above an certain level, then you have to get private insurance. That way you are keeping an "balance" i.e. they can charge (compensate) cost that way much better, since prices are negotiated for both groups with the doctors, drugs, hospital etc. as well it creates competition with the private insurance and medicare. For medicare the government negotiate prices such way that they are firm (thus no lobbyists involved); for the "private insurance" the "insurance" negotiates themselves the pricing for their package, but of course knows what medicare did negotiate.

    The biggest issue in this country are the "takers" (lobbyists); "they" (also our government representatives) all are profiting from our system; just look at the doctors "visitors" who "promote" to the doctors their products, for which they get kickbacks if the doctor in turn "sells" it to their patients. Also look at the add's on TV; which are purely ridiculous. " ask your doctor"; why should you, if you don't want it, or don't know anything about such drug and its side effects etc. take it.

    If the doctor sells you on such drug, it only means his "commission" is assured.

    Crazy country here; only "money" counts , not your health. Thus the only way is to cut out the "middle" man i.e. lobbyists (and "people" in the government who are on the take)

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    Over 4000 people suffer more dying earlier denied healthcare. Beyond any reasonable explanation why this horrible reality isn't the driving force for comprehensive healthcare reform. I can understand the Republican side . They believe if you can't pay you deserve to die. What is beyond comprehension is the Democratic indifference.

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    Dutch Wrote:
    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    That old guy in Florida IS correct about one thing - Holland has the best health care system in the world. Here's the details:

    https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2019/07/lets-go-dutch-on-this-one.html

    Thanks old guy out of Arizona; none of the candidates have thought about my suggestion of which I wrote about above your thread; that "medicare for all" does not work, because that way you create an monopoly. In The Netherlands if you your are earning above an certain level, then you have to get private insurance. That way you are keeping an "balance" i.e. they can charge (compensate) cost that way much better, since prices are negotiated for both groups with the doctors, drugs, hospital etc. as well it creates competition with the private insurance and medicare. For medicare the government negotiate prices such way that they are firm (thus no lobbyists involved); for the "private insurance" the "insurance" negotiates themselves the pricing for their package, but of course knows what medicare did negotiate.

    The biggest issue in this country are the "takers" (lobbyists); "they" (also our government representatives) all are profiting from our system; just look at the doctors "visitors" who "promote" to the doctors their products, for which they get kickbacks if the doctor in turn "sells" it to their patients. Also look at the add's on TV; which are purely ridiculous. " ask your doctor"; why should you, if you don't want it, or don't know anything about such drug and its side effects etc. take it.

    If the doctor sells you on such drug, it only means his "commission" is assured.

    Crazy country here; only "money" counts , not your health. Thus the only way is to cut out the "middle" man i.e. lobbyists (and "people" in the government who are on the take)

    Dutch:

    One of the more unusual pairing of medical professional with a product were the ads that Camel cigarettes ran from 1946 to 1954. The tagline, "more doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette" likely helped R.J. Reynolds sell more cigarettes. Even stranger is the fact that the American Medical Association started publishing ads for cigarettes in the 1930's - and continued to publish them for years afterwards.

    https://adage.com/article/news/rewind-1949-cigarette-spot-declares-doctors-smoke-camels/236635

    Despite the fact that the Attorney General's report about the dangers of smoking was published in 1964, 68% of the men in China still smoke cigarettes. Amazingly, even 32% of the male DOCTORS in China still smoke.

    In another strange twist of logic, when studies showing the link between cancer and smoking first surfaced in the 1950's, the link between smoking and cancer HELPED a cigarette company. Rather than embrace the fact that their product was "safer" than other brands, Phillip Morris focused on its "tough guy" image, and the sales of Marlboro cigarettes QUADRUPLED in a two year time span:

    https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2011/10/marlboro-man.html

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    Sorry "Arizona" cigarettes" etc. are only one part of the picture. IT IS THE LOBBYISTS here who screw up any normal healthcare system. "promoting " drugs makes it an "commercial" sales pitch, which has nothing to do with health care. The "cigarette" issue, applies to just about everything here. You will never get an decent healthcare system, if you don't take the "profit" element out of it. "Health cost "money"; preventive "health" saves money. Why keep coal mines open? The health aspect cost more than the "profit" for a few. The same applies what people eat here; they don't care if they get "fat" like a pig. But others have to pay for that because they do so. Strange society here!
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    They Must do away with the ACA !

    Do they offer anything better or nearly as good ? Of course not. They have no good ideas just hateful division.

    nytimes.com/2019/07/11/opinion/obamacar...

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    Biden now jumps on the stupid "bandwagon" of "medicare for all" and gets him in the same trouble as Sanders. This government won't be able to calculate the cost for it, because everything in healthcare is corrupt, because everyone is on the "take".

    Like I said so many times: the refusal of this stupid island, to copy things which do work elsewhere, will become an disaster.

    The government here is run by "lobbyist"; therefore "medicare for all" won't work as long as the "lobbyists" stay in place.

    The only way is as I said, have the "rich" pay private insurance and don't give them the "free be's". Wake up America, don't elect dumb asses like Biden; he "slept" and went bravely to "church", while Obama was battling the GOP.