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  • that guy in AZ
    02-01-2019 12:19:42 PM
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    I know that we have had discussions about this topic before, but the search bar did not produce any thread results when I typed in the phrase shown above. As a result, I thought that I would start a new thread.

    The Republicans have been trying to repeal Obama's signature health care plan ever since it was passed. The House voted roughly 60 times to repeal it, which is nothing more than sheer stupidity. The House finally succeeded shortly after Trump got elected, but John McCain came to the rescue and gave it the thumbs down (literally) in the Senate.

    It's true that many developed countries (Canada, England, Norway etc) have better health plans than we do, but there ARE places that are a lot worse of than we are. In Barack Obama's birthplace (senior, not junior) women have to bribe doctors so that can have healthy babies and/or surviving the birth of a child without dying.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/avoid-stillbirths-women-kenya-bribe-overworked-doctors-190130235838101.html

    Although maternal death rates are high in Kenya, there are 18 countries that have even higher death rates. Although the maternal death rate in the United States is a fraction of the death rate in Kenya, it is higher than virtually every other developed country. For a lot of reasons, we should pay a lot more attention to the Nordic countries, since they have better ideas than we do on many topics, including health care.

    https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=2223

  • that guy in AZ
    03-29-2019 02:11:21 PM
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    2 days ago, the Justice Department announced its intention to repeal the entire Affordable Care Act:

    https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/03/27/affordable-care-act-aca-obamacare-justice-department-trump-administration

    Today, a federal judge rejected that plan, and Mitch McConnell signaled that he won't play a leading role in crafting the health care bill that Trump wants.

    You'd think by now that Trump would be tired of winning, but I'm pretty sure that he is a slow learner.

  • TJ
    03-29-2019 02:32:11 PM
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    It's sad and without logic. One solution is for every single able person to register and show up to vote at every election. Want better results ? Then demand that it be done.

    Silent and subservient can't complain later. A huge turnout can demand more and better.

  • Dutch
    03-29-2019 02:32:27 PM
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    No Arizona, they don't want an healthcare system which works for everyone. Otherwise the "lobbyists" and the CEO's of the "pharma" companies, as well the hospitals and doctors can't get rich enough. My wife visited an doctor who just bought an McClaren (price around 3 million) I've never seen an poor doctor here in FL. Let alone our previous governor Scott who ripped off the hospitals here and got away with 185 million and is now elected to the Senate. Sorry only "money" counts here : not affordable health.
  • that guy in AZ
    03-29-2019 04:50:01 PM
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    Dutch:

    You're being kind to your former governor.

    When he was head of Columbia/HCA, the company was fined $1.7 BILLION for Medicare fraud. For some reason, the voters in Florida thought that he would be a good governor, and NOW he is Florida's newest senator.

    Must be something in the water down there that makes people do those crazy things.

    https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/mar/03/florida-democratic-party/rick-scott-rick-scott-oversaw-largest-medicare-fra/

  • Schmidt
    03-30-2019 08:09:06 AM
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    Politico, March 29, 2019: Bennet, Kaine set to introduce ‘Medicare X’ plan to expand health care

    With Sanders Medicare for All Act losing support as people learn what it entails, Senators Kaine and Bennet are planning to introduce Medicare X, a public option plan that uses the Affordable Care Act exchanges to buy into Medicare and Medicaid. A version was originally proposed by Obama but was dropped when it threatened to imperil the chances of the Affordable Care Act passing.

    Given a choice between Medicare for All (BernieCare) and Medicare X, the Medicare X will be much easier to implement as it just builds off existing plans. Medicare for All essentially is a start over from scratch plan with no private insurers in the game.

  • Chet Ruminski
    03-30-2019 08:33:53 PM
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    TJ Wrote:

    It's sad and without logic. One solution is for every single able person to register and show up to vote at every election. Want better results ? Then demand that it be done.

    Silent and subservient can't complain later. A huge turnout can demand more and better.

    The people that don't vote do so for a reason. Not sure if it would be good or bad to have people vote that weren't concerned in the first place.
  • Dutch
    03-31-2019 09:13:48 AM
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    Chet, it has nothing to do with"voting"; the medical industry here has as an strong "lobby" same as the NRA and will make sure the doctors or pill pushers will stay "rich". The more sick people the more money they make. "Health" is not their goal; "money is. Sorry they are "parasites" on the society. Of course there are some "good" one's, but the "bad" ones have the overweight.

    Since the EPA etc. is now in the hands of the Republicans; then Montsanto can keep producing "weed killer" etc. The lawyers are like"vultures" who get money, either way; they never "loose". That is why this society can't last; it shows that clearly with the "lawyer show" around Trump. Religion is an curse, but "money" also!!

  • Dockadams
    04-01-2019 04:03:55 PM
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    I know that we have had discussions about this topic before, but the search bar did not produce any thread results when I typed in the phrase shown above. As a result, I thought that I would start a new thread.

    The Republicans have been trying to repeal Obama's signature health care plan ever since it was passed. The House voted roughly 60 times to repeal it, which is nothing more than sheer stupidity. The House finally succeeded shortly after Trump got elected, but John McCain came to the rescue and gave it the thumbs down (literally) in the Senate.

    It's true that many developed countries (Canada, England, Norway etc) have better health plans than we do, but there ARE places that are a lot worse of than we are. In Barack Obama's birthplace (senior, not junior) women have to bribe doctors so that can have healthy babies and/or surviving the birth of a child without dying.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/avoid-stillbirths-women-kenya-bribe-overworked-doctors-190130235838101.html

    Although maternal death rates are high in Kenya, there are 18 countries that have even higher death rates. Although the maternal death rate in the United States is a fraction of the death rate in Kenya, it is higher than virtually every other developed country. For a lot of reasons, we should pay a lot more attention to the Nordic countries, since they have better ideas than we do on many topics, including health care.

    https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=2223

    https://www.democratichub.com/posts/14855/lets-talk-about-trumpcare
  • that guy in AZ
    04-02-2019 10:19:29 AM
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    Republican leaders have persuaded Trump to stop talking about health care until after the 2020 election, since they know it is a topic that will hurt their chances. Trump's decision to end the Affordable Care Act was opposed by William Barr.

    In the meantime, though, Trump appointed Rick Scott (of Medicare fraud fame) as the "point man" for healthcare. There may be worse choices for that job, but I can't really think of anyone less qualified for the job than Scott:

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-ne-rick-scott-health-care-20190329-story.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+news%2Fpolitics%2Fpoliticalpulse+%28Central+Florida+Political+Pulse%29

  • Dutch
    04-02-2019 10:45:47 AM
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    Yes an super candidate; may be another opportunity to rip off the medical world, so he again can rake in the dough. Just like appointing Hitler as baby sitter. Trump is an champion in putting people in positions who in fact are "anti" anything required for the job, like the EPA, Urban Development, Nielsen, Mulvany, Meadows, Navaro and plenty others.

    Yes this country will go to hell keeping this "lunatic" in the W.H.

  • that guy in AZ
    06-25-2019 10:26:03 AM
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    In the last few days, I have started to see ads for Trumpcare Medicare. I didn't know that it even existed, and I would not sign up for it on a bet, but a bit of research (see below) seems to indicate that it actually DOES NOT EXIST due to the fact that it was not approved by the Senate (thank you, John McCain!).

    https://www.medicaresupplement.com/content/trumpcare-explained/

    I also found a LONG article that explains the difference between Trumpcare and Obamacare. The short version is that Obamacare is MUCH better.

    https://obamacarefacts.com/trumpcare-explained/

  • TJ
    06-25-2019 12:05:06 PM
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    A black man did what a white man could not do. Help millions get medical care that also covers preexisting conditions. Let's just put this into the category of things Mr. Obama was capable of that Mr. Trump is not capable of. Maybe 46 will provide for more than the wealthy.
  • Dutch
    06-30-2019 09:02:43 AM
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    I just repeat what I wrote before:

    Warren's stupidity is "healthcare" ; they refuse to copy other countries. In The Netherlands if you reach an certain level of income then you have to get private insurance or pay the bills yourself. Such as any billionaire, why should they get "free" healthcare. Thus "medicare" for all is stupid. But yeah they don't think here farther than the length of their noses. (An Dutch saying)

  • Chet Ruminski
    07-05-2019 12:46:40 AM
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    Dutch Wrote:

    I just repeat what I wrote before:

    Warren's stupidity is "healthcare" ; they refuse to copy other countries. In The Netherlands if you reach an certain level of income then you have to get private insurance or pay the bills yourself. Such as any billionaire, why should they get "free" healthcare. Thus "medicare" for all is stupid. But yeah they don't think here farther than the length of their noses. (An Dutch saying)

    Dutch, This country is stuck in the middle aged owing respect and support for the Lord of the manor. It took a miracle to make drunk drivers liable and charged for their actions. The same liability will be charged to the people denying healthcare .
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