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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yahoo News, January 29, 2019: Trump boosts bills to teach his favorite book — the Bible — in public schools

    Trump tweeted:

    Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump

    Numerous states introducing Bible Literacy classes, giving students the option of studying the Bible. Starting to make a turn back? Great!

    6:21 AM - Jan 28, 2019

    From Yahoo News:

    "Trump’s tweet came minutes after “Fox & Friends” aired a segment Monday morning on pending legislation in six states — Florida, Indiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia — that would allow Bible literacy courses to become a part of a public school education."

    The ACLU has responded:

    “Yet again, President Trump is exploiting religious divisions to score political points. Public school Bible courses are rarely taught neutrally and objectively as required by the Constitution,” Daniel Mach, director of the ACLU Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief, told Yahoo News in an email. “Instead, these courses usually resemble Sunday school classes that blatantly violate students’ and parents’ First Amendment rights. Religious education is best left to families and faith communities, not public school officials.”

    Trump is about religious as Putin. However, he certainly understands how to get votes.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    MSN News, January 30, 2019: Sarah Sanders: God wanted Trump to become president

    "White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders claimed Wednesday that President Donald Trump's presidency was part of a higher calling.

    "“I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times and I think that he wanted Donald Trump to become president," Sanders said during an interview with Christian Broadcast Network News. "And that’s why he’s there, and I think he has done a tremendous job in supporting a lot of the things that people of faith really care about.""

    That makes two testimonials in two days in which Trump and his aides are using the "God Card" to pander and shore up part of his base.

  • Independent
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    How sick can you get; for wasted time in class they should instead teach facts of life and what is common sense is all about. Learn them the rules about "cause and effect", analytic thinking as well how the rest of the world works and lives to prevent an "island" mentality. That Sanders woman is and has been an idiot all the time and loves to spew B.S. with her fat head.

    No "god" whatsoever interferes in what dumb humans do; everything on this globe happens on this globe and is not controlled by "ghosts" from outer space. Sorry, the "humans" themselves on this globe did create their own shit and wrote their weird beliefs on paper. Another self inflicted wound.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes Dutch, you're preaching to an atheist. However, the reality is that these folks vote in huge numbers like they are on some kind of Christian crusade to make our government into a Christian theocracy, where the Bible trumps the Constitution. So on many of the issues of the day, one needs to look to Biblical scripture and prophecy to understand them. For many of them so indoctrinated since childhood it is impossible to "change their brains".

    The Republican Party establishment understands them and knows how to feed their religious passions to get them to vote in huge numbers. That's why Republican leaders like Trump, and Bush before him, have to continually pander to the religious right with proposed legislation and Supreme Court nominations.

    I recall that Bush and Republicans called for a "Marriage Amendment" right before every election back in Bush's tenure as President. It had no chance of passing, but it excited the religious right to get out and vote Republican. Trump's call now to ban transgenders from the military has nothing to do with his personal views. He's just pandering for more votes from the religious right.

    It's all about money and power.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes Dutch, you're preaching to an atheist. However, the reality is that these folks vote in huge numbers like they are on some kind of Christian crusade to make our government into a Christian theocracy, where the Bible trumps the Constitution. So on many of the issues of the day, one needs to look to Biblical scripture and prophecy to understand them. For many of them so indoctrinated since childhood it is impossible to "change their brains".

    The Republican Party establishment understands them and knows how to feed their religious passions to get them to vote in huge numbers. That's why Republican leaders like Trump, and Bush before him, have to continually pander to the religious right with proposed legislation and Supreme Court nominations.

    I recall that Bush and Republicans called for a "Marriage Amendment" right before every election back in Bush's tenure as President. It had no chance of passing, but it excited the religious right to get out and vote Republican. Trump's call now to ban transgenders from the military has nothing to do with his personal views. He's just pandering for more votes from the religious right.

    It's all about money and power.

    Yes, Schmidt as always you've got it right on. Thus my motto is to leave "religion" and "money" out of "elections" Amen.
  • Independent
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    I have no problem with "Religious Studies" classes where all religions are looked at historically and objectively, but agree it should be kept out of the public school system K-12 for the obvious political reasons. If allowed generically, then some areas of the country would use it as Sunday school and Bible study where Christianity is the only religion given any positive attention.

    IMO, Historically we are experiencing a backlash to the Obama Era where significant progress was made to level the playing field for those on the lower end of the scale, speeding up the very long term death of social ignorance and prejudices. During the Obama administration, racists, evangelicals, and other right-wing wackos were marginalized, and become a social white minority that nobody listen too. DT gives them their voice back, he is their false prophet that openly supports white, homophobic, racists beleifs. The whole wall BS is a symbolic war. To Trump and his base, it is an outward facing symbol to everybody south of the border that says "F**K Off Losers, you are not welcome". That is what this is about; creating a government funded and built symbolic structure that makes them feel good about being racists.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd -- Yes I agree. This "build the wall and crime will fall" rhetoric is nothing more than pandering to another segment of his base. Of course it started out as "Mexico's going to pay for it" so he made it into a populist cliché for the uninformed racists in his base.

    You have to admire how he has kept his base in his camp. The evangelicals, especially, should be outraged by his treatment of children and separating families at the border -- but they are largely brown skinned Catholics I suppose so maybe they don't really care. "They do not look like us."

  • Independent
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    What ever happened with the statement " Separation between church and State" ? In Europe they just "govern" and don't deal with "religion" while governing. What people do in their private lives; that is their business. However if you are an "elected government person" then "religion" has no place there, since you have to "govern" an whole country with thousands of different views and religions. Governing should be based on "daily reality" not on Alison in "wonderland" theories. Like stupid statements: In "god" we trust (wow), It is "god's' will (wow), "god" selected Trump" ( wow, wow, wow). I barely trust any "human", let alone an never seen, smelled, or heard of "ghost" somewhere in the universe, who never wrote anything.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    You have to admire how he has kept his base in his camp. The evangelicals, especially, should be outraged by his treatment of children and separating families at the border -- but they are largely brown skinned Catholics I suppose so maybe they don't really care. "They do not look like us."

    So far their been nearly no video from the inside. And what we have seen has been tolerable from a short term perspective. Now, if someone from inside were to leak some video of kids suffering or being abused, then we'd get more public outrage.

    I am guessing all recording devices are forbidden within these prisons. Adult inside would not loose their jobs, but being charge with some kind of serious crime of breaking national security laws. Someone on the inside wanting to become a whistle blower, must be willing to sacrifice themselves to expose anything bad that might be going on. I would assume, abuse within, is not the beating of kids, but more long terms mental\emotional abuse the comes from being in isolated from friends and family, not receiving healthy\normal nurturing. Basically similar problems that develop by putting any normal person into a prison environment for a long period of time. Prison is not a healthy environment, it's intended to be the final option for those who are chronic criminals or have committed very serious crimes. Its not a place to raise healthy children.

    IMH, if we want to create homegrown terrorists, all we need to do is keep these children in prison for a while, and when we release them, some of them will not be psychologically or emotionally well.

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    Teach the Q’uran, the Talmud, Hindu writings, Zoroastrian writings, Gnostic writings, and so on.

    Yeah, I didn’t think that would fly with the religious right.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    lonely bird:

    I've got 2 copies of the Koran on my bookshelf, and actually wrote a 4000 word "book report" comparing it to the Bible. In a nutshell, it's about the length of the New Testament, but reads a lot more like the Old Testament. In terms of violence, the Bible has far more references to violence than the Koran does.

    An enlightening book to read is, "The Crusades through the eyes of Arabs".

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    wwjd -- Yes I agree. This "build the wall and crime will fall" rhetoric is nothing more than pandering to another segment of his base. Of course it started out as "Mexico's going to pay for it" so he made it into a populist cliché for the uninformed racists in his base.

    You have to admire how he has kept his base in his camp. The evangelicals, especially, should be outraged by his treatment of children and separating families at the border -- but they are largely brown skinned Catholics I suppose so maybe they don't really care. "They do not look like us."

    "You have to admire how he has kept his base in his camp."

    He can't help how his base feels.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I would normally be okay with a class entitled "Religions of the world" which would give overviews of each of the main religions. However, it might be difficult to find an open minded class willing to learn. Invariably there would be some disruptive students who cannot tolerate any religion besides their own. For any student with absolute conviction of his own religion (if not an atheist) it might be intolerable.
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    Schmidt Wrote: I would normally be okay with a class entitled "Religions of the world" which would give overviews of each of the main religions. However, it might be difficult to find an open minded class willing to learn. Invariably there would be some disruptive students who cannot tolerate any religion besides their own. For any student with absolute conviction of his own religion (if not an atheist) it might be intolerable.
    Yes, you are correct. It looks to me the best remedy is have people travel the world (not just as an tourist) but as someone who has genuine interest into the different cultures and way of life. As I've said so many times ( especially the south, middle and north part of this country) that they live on an closed off isolated island and can't think farther than their closed off daily happening as it has been for a hundred years. Only the TV has some influence, but they look at it as not being their own reality but just an piece of entertainment. That is why real "education" with well educated "teachers" with "world knowledge" would help in those regions. However that is not the case, since the local teachers there are as uneducated as the students. That is the reason that they "vote" as they do.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt:

    You raise a good point. Last spring, I was a long term substitute teacher assignment for a high school biology class. The final class assignment was a paper about evolution.

    One of the students in the class was a Jehovah Witness, and only 7% of them believe in evolution. The student was instructed to write "scientists say" rather than "the facts are", and it solved the problem. If you take into account the fact that the president of the United States is unable to learn anything from anyone (including his national security team) Bible study classes in public schools would be absolutely dangerous.