Forum Thread

Roger Stone arrested

Reply to ThreadDisplaying 61 - 73 of 73 Prev 1 2 3 4 5
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    And people here still are proudly saluting the flag and go bravely to church; do me a favor, paint an big banana on the flag and invite all the mafia's from the world to have a cup of tea in the White House.

    Yes that is what you get to refuse to make sound enforceable rules/laws which cover all governments dealing and wheeling.; I guess Lincoln and Washington are turning over in their graves in disgust what this country has become.

    I said already when I came here, that it is an "banana republic"; how true has that become; even on TV they admit it.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    The one thing each of the people pardoned by Trump have in common is that they or their advocates used appearances on Fox News to push for their presidential get out jail free card, as detailed by The Daily Beast in an article today.

    https://occupydemocrats.com/2020/02/18/new-report-shows-trumps-latest-pardon-came-after-receiving-a-donation-from-their-family/

    The one pardon recipient who did not take the Fox News route to his freedom is Paul Pogue, a construction company owner in Texas. 10 years ago, he was given 10 years probation for underpaying his taxes y $473,000.

    Pogue’s family has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct contributions and in-kind air travel to the Trump Victory Committee. Beginning in August 2019, Ben Pogue—CEO of Pogue Construction and son of Paul Pogue—and his wife Ashleigh made over $200,000 in contributions to the campaign,”according to the online news site.

    Prior to contributions to the Trump Victory Committee, the Pogue family had only made modest contributions to political candidates.

    Pogue was one of the people pardoned by Trump the other day. Incidentally, Pogue was a member of Rick Santorum's national finance committee, in spite of his felony tax charge.

    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/clout/rick-santorum-paul-pogue-donald-trump-pardon-20200218.html

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    See the source image

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/30/a8/cb/30a8cbd035d896f3569fd3348bda85ef.jpg

    Throughout his presidency, Trump has dealt with each of his many problems by creating a diversion to draw everyone's attention to something else so that they don't focus on his latest screw up - and the pardons are another example of that.

    Consider this:

    Bill Barr is being criticized by a number of people and organizations due to his apparent politicalization of the Justice Department, which Trump would prefer ignored. He also wants to divert attention from the Stone trial itself, since Stone definitely has some "dirt" on Trump AND he also has connections to Russia.

    What connects all the people pardoned by Trump is the fact that all of them committed financial crimes investigated by the FBI. Since his inauguration, Trump has gone out of his way to purge the FBI of employees with “extensive experience in probing money laundering and organized crime, particularly as they pertain to Russia.” .These people include Robert Mueller, James Comey, Bruce Ohr, Andrew McCabe, and Lisa Page.

    It's possible that the pardons are designed to discredit the FBI’s financial crimes unit even further, both to set up a pardon for his friend, adviser, and self-proclaimed dirty trickster Roger Stone, and to try to pull the fangs of the upcoming discussion of his own financial records, currently moving toward a crisis.

    In March, the Supreme Court will begin to hear three cases concerning whether or not two banks and his accounting firm must hand over his financial records to congressional investigators, as lower courts have ordered.

    In one of the cases, Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance has asked for financial records as he looks into potential lawbreaking in New York related to hush-money paid to adult film actress Stormy Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal.

    In the other two cases, Congress has subpoenaed the financial records on two grounds: first, to see if more ethics-in-government legislation is needed (this is to address the requirement that Congress must have a legislative reason to make such inquiries); and to pursue an investigation into foreign money laundering.

    The Soviet Union ceased to exist on December 25, 1991. Suddenly, many companies that had been owned by the state became privately owned, and a number of oligarchs suddenly had a lot of money - which they needed to hide.

    https://history.state.gov/milestones/1989-1992/collapse-soviet-union

    Between 1991 and 2009, Trump filed for bankruptcy six times. (The six bankruptcies were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City and New York: Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino (1992), Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Castle Hotel and Casino (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_career_of_Donald_Trump

    About the time Trump filed bankruptcy the first time, all those rich oligarchs decided that investing in real in the United States would be a smart thing to do. A Reuters review has found that at least 63 individuals with Russian passports or addresses have bought at least $98.4 million worth of property in seven Trump-branded luxury towers in southern Florida, according to public documents, interviews and corporate records.

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/

    If you dig into Trump Tower itself, you'll find that you'll find plenty of Russians there as well.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/controversial-residents-trump-tower/story?id=52577191

    Due to his many bankruptcies, most banks would not lend money to him. The only exception is Deutschbank. Starting in June of 2019. the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation is examining whether Deutsche Bank complied with laws meant to stop money laundering. Five months later, on November 19, 2019, Thomas Bowers, a Deutsche Bank executive who approved various loans that the bank had approved for Donald Trump, committed suicide in his home in Malibu, California.

    See the source image

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-deutsche-bank/deutsche-bank-faces-fbi-investigation-for-possible-money-laundering-lapses-source-idUSKCN1TK2YF

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Arizona, excellent articles; thus why did you launch an "thread" that Trump has done some good things? In other words, the guy is 99.9% bad, but we forgive him and vote for him again. It is time that the American public should be forced to read what you've written over time, so they should by then know what an "criminal" they elected into the W.H.

    But yeah the American public is way too busy looking at FOX News and playing with their cell phones and lotto forms, so forget it.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Roger Stone has been sentenced to 40 months in prison plus a $20,000 fine. He can appeal, but the consensus amongst experts is that the case is sound with little grounds for appeal. The next step is for Trump to attack the "unfair judge and process" and then issue a pardon to Stone.
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Dutch Wrote:

    Arizona, excellent articles; thus why did you launch an "thread" that Trump has done some good things? In other words, the guy is 99.9% bad, but we forgive him and vote for him again. It is time that the American public should be forced to read what you've written over time, so they should by then know what an "criminal" they elected into the W.H.

    But yeah the American public is way too busy looking at FOX News and playing with their cell phones and lotto forms, so forget it.

    Dutch:

    I chose the title to get your attention, since we all agree that Trump is a Putz. In my opinion, he has only done ONE thing that is worthwhile, and that is when he signed the FIRST STEP Act - which he was initially opposed to.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Schmidt Wrote: Roger Stone has been sentenced to 40 months in prison plus a $20,000 fine. He can appeal, but the consensus amongst experts is that the case is sound with little grounds for appeal. The next step is for Trump to attack the "unfair judge and process" and then issue a pardon to Stone.

    Schmidt:

    Several sources have reported on the length of Stone's sentence, including the Daily Caller, which I read on occasion for comic relief. Their story today contained this gem:

    "The main difference between the two recommendations hinged on how much additional jail time prosecutors wanted to give Stone for a series of text messages that he sent in 2018 to his longtime associate, Randy Credico.

    Prosecutors alleged at Stone’s trial that he threatened Credico in order to prevent him from cooperating with the House Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation.

    Stone had asserted to the committee and publicly that Credico was a source of information for him regarding WikiLeaks’ activities in 2016. Credico, a left-wing comedian and radio show host, vehemently denied it.

    During a heated text message exchange on April 9, 2018, Stone wrote to Credico, “Prepare to die, cocksucker.” He also told Credico that he would “take that dog from you,” a reference to Credico’s service dog.

    Based on federal sentencing guidelines, characterizing Stone’s messages as a physical threat would add as much as five years to his prison sentence. In their revising sentencing recommendation, prosecutors noted that Credico testified that he never felt in physical danger from Stone’s text messages."

    "Trump signaled last week that he was considering a pardon for Stone after prosecutors initially recommended that he serve up to nine years in prison. Trump called the recommendation “disgraceful” and a “miscarriage of justice.”

    Maybe it's just me, but if somebody said to me "prepare to die, cocksucker", I would take that as a physical threat.

    The Daily Caller was started by Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel in 2010.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    I hope that the Judge quickly considers the retrial motion so that this drama does not become part of the 2020 election.

    What drives me crazy about high profile cases is when jurist interject themselves into the post trail drama. Often they think they are trying to be helpful, but because they lack experience with media, they end up making controversial comments that trigger the legal system to take a second look at what otherwise a fair trail. If a jurist even starts to publicly speculate (ie social media) that there might have been misconduct by the jury, the benefit of the doubt leans heavily in favor of defendant.

    If Stone is given a retrial, it never will happen. Ultimately the DOJ will drop the case. Either the current conviction stands, or the case is dropped. But we all know if Stone is not given a retrial, there is signed pardon sitting in the top right draw of Trump's desk just waiting to be used. Stone will never spend even 1 hour in jail. Hell, he might be sue the government for wrongful procession after he gets a pardon, and use the pardon as evidence that he wasn't guilty.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    WTF was that? a slap on the wrist or what? Talk about a light sentence! What the hell man...
  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        
    Dockadams Wrote: WTF was that? a slap on the wrist or what? Talk about a light sentence! What the hell man...


    Maybe not totally fair, but it is a sentence that would be hard to over turn on appeal.

    Doesn't matter, Stone will get a pardon before he ever spends 1 hour in custody. He has nothing to worry about.

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    The Daily Kos published an article the other day that included Roger Stone being questioned by conservative lawyer Larry Klayman. The first of the two videos illustrates the fact this guy is f*****g nuts !

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/2/1923507/-Lawyer-releases-2-days-worth-of-Roger-Stone-deposition-and-oh-boy-It-s-wild?detail=emaildkbow

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    It is interesting that Trump did not pardon Stone, but rather commuted his sentence. A presidential pardon takes away a person’s right to stay silent in court under the right established by the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution not to self-incriminate. It does so because there is no need to worry about conviction: you've been pardoned. A commutation does not take away that right, so Stone now cannot be compelled to testify.

    There is widespread condemnation of this commutation, and yesterday even the DOJ said it supported Stone’s imprisonment. But Trump clearly doesn’t care. His long statement upon issuing the grant of clemency was a rehash of his usual accusations about “the Russia Hoax that the Left and its allies in the media perpetuated for years in an attempt to undermine the Trump presidency.”

  • Are you sure you want to delete this post?
        

    Roger Stone literally got a "get out of jail free" card - but that does not mean that the justice department can't get more information our of him.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/opinion/roger-stone-trump-grand-jury.html?referringSource=articleShare

    An article in the New York Times this morning explains how compelling Stone to appear in front of a grand just can get him to "fess up".

    To get at the truth of why he lied, Mr. Stone can be served with a grand jury subpoena — by a federal or state prosecutor — or even with a congressional subpoena, requiring him to answer the question: Why did you lie to Congress? And many others.

    Mr. Stone has three options at that point.

    First, he can choose to lie, but that would mean he could be prosecuted for perjury and obstruction of the grand jury.

    Mr. Stone’s second option is to refuse to comply with the subpoena, but that could lead to his being held immediately in civil and criminal contempt.

    Finally, Mr. Stone’s third choice — the one that does not carry with it the risk of criminal charges and jail — is simply to tell the truth. Does this ever happen? Yes. In the Enron investigation, after the company’s treasurer, Ben Glisan Jr., pleaded guilty but refused to cooperate, we put him before the grand jury. Instead of facing additional jail time, he came clean and became one of the government’s most compelling witnesses. In a Genovese mob case, a foot soldier who had pleaded guilty and then was served with a grand jury subpoena to learn who his conspirators were chose to cooperate, explaining to us, “I was willing to do my time, but I was unwilling to do the time for my conspirators.”