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Kamala Harris announces 2020 presidential run

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Kamala Harris is considered a front runner for the Democratic Party nomination. I believe she would win by a large margin over Donald Trump. The trouble is that the progressive wing of the party could destroy her chances of even becoming the nominee, opting instead for another run by Bernie Sanders or perhaps Elizabeth Warren or maybe someone else in that far left progressive demographic.

    Last August, McClatchy published an article, Progressives begin 2020 dissection of Kamala Harris. The authors write that "left-wing leaders and think-piece writers spent the summer dissecting the California senator’s record — often harshly. Even a social-media meme took aim, questioning Harris’ tenure as attorney general and derisively referring to her as a “centrist corncob.”" They are painting her as being too closely aligned with the hated Hillary Clinton.

    And yes, as Chet has indicated above, the front of their attacks "involves her decision as AG to not bring legal action against Steve Mnuchin, then the head of California-based OneWest Bank and now the U.S. Treasury Secretary, for allegedly breaking state foreclosure laws. A 2013 internal memo first published by The Intercept alleges OneWest violated notice and waiting-period regulations, misrepresented key documents and gamed foreclosure auctions."

    Harris has not shied away from the charges stating that "her office went where the facts led them, there was not enough evidence to support a conviction, and that the state was limited by the law in terms of the information it could compel from the company."

    I believe Harris, but for the emotionally driven progressives, it is not enough. Facts don't matter. She doesn't meet their purity tests.

    Nevertheless, Harris seems to have a strong following including centrists like me, but not from the Bernie Sanders wing of the party. Yahoo News reports that Sanders is set to "imminently" announce his bid for president of the United States in 2020. I guess he shares the view of his supporters that Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are not progressive enough.

    Winning the Democratic nomination certainly requires a populist appeal, but winning the presidential election in 2020 will require an appeal that reaches beyond that of the far left progressives. If the far left decides to go fishing on election day or vote for a Green Party candidate in protest rather than hold their noses and vote for a Kamala Harris (or someone like her), then we can have a repeat of 2016.

    Trump, Trump, Trump....or maybe Pence, Pence, Pence. Anybody but the hated Harris. I just remember vividly the hatred that some Bernie Sanders supporters had towards Hillary, and I can see that hatred towards a centrist nominee resurrected again in 2020. I hope I am wrong, but why else would Sanders put himself back into the race? Does he crave the same adulation that drives Trump?

    Okay, I have deviated off topic on that latter point. This thread is about Kamala Harris.

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    She "rallied" in Oakland and had an big crowd. According to the "news" she had an good speech. My feelings are that she is an good candidate. The only remark I have is that none of the candidates make it an priority to tackle the "corruption" in this country as well the "corruption" in the elections, let alone getting money and lobbyists and billionaires out of elections

    Nice talk does not cut it in the end.

    Furthermore we are likely getting an "other" spoiler like Bernie; he's Howard Schultz ( ex Starbucks) who wants to run. Jared will certainly love that.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I believe either Bernie or Warren could win the presidency. With a speaker showing resolve to get the Democratic way I think it is time for a left progressive to be president. Then the national interest could be expanded to include people. I am sure the USA has enough weapons to insure world destruction. Now is the time to start working on the humanity side of world problems.
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    The people that were hurting when Trump got elected are hurting worse now. Now is the time to address the millions of people that suffer more and die earlier because they can't find afford treatment. First purity test is single payer. Second is living wage. People need to be able to afford to live.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Kamala Harris is considered a front runner for the Democratic Party nomination. I believe she would win by a large margin over Donald Trump. The trouble is that the progressive wing of the party could destroy her chances of even becoming the nominee, opting instead for another run by Bernie Sanders or perhaps Elizabeth Warren or maybe someone else in that far left progressive demographic.

    Last August, McClatchy published an article, Progressives begin 2020 dissection of Kamala Harris. The authors write that "left-wing leaders and think-piece writers spent the summer dissecting the California senator’s record — often harshly. Even a social-media meme took aim, questioning Harris’ tenure as attorney general and derisively referring to her as a “centrist corncob.”" They are painting her as being too closely aligned with the hated Hillary Clinton.

    And yes, as Chet has indicated above, the front of their attacks "involves her decision as AG to not bring legal action against Steve Mnuchin, then the head of California-based OneWest Bank and now the U.S. Treasury Secretary, for allegedly breaking state foreclosure laws. A 2013 internal memo first published by The Intercept alleges OneWest violated notice and waiting-period regulations, misrepresented key documents and gamed foreclosure auctions."

    Harris has not shied away from the charges stating that "her office went where the facts led them, there was not enough evidence to support a conviction, and that the state was limited by the law in terms of the information it could compel from the company."

    I believe Harris, but for the emotionally driven progressives, it is not enough. Facts don't matter. She doesn't meet their purity tests.

    Nevertheless, Harris seems to have a strong following including centrists like me, but not from the Bernie Sanders wing of the party. Yahoo News reports that Sanders is set to "imminently" announce his bid for president of the United States in 2020. I guess he shares the view of his supporters that Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are not progressive enough.

    Winning the Democratic nomination certainly requires a populist appeal, but winning the presidential election in 2020 will require an appeal that reaches beyond that of the far left progressives. If the far left decides to go fishing on election day or vote for a Green Party candidate in protest rather than hold their noses and vote for a Kamala Harris (or someone like her), then we can have a repeat of 2016.

    Trump, Trump, Trump....or maybe Pence, Pence, Pence. Anybody but the hated Harris. I just remember vividly the hatred that some Bernie Sanders supporters had towards Hillary, and I can see that hatred towards a centrist nominee resurrected again in 2020. I hope I am wrong, but why else would Sanders put himself back into the race? Does he crave the same adulation that drives Trump?

    Okay, I have deviated off topic on that latter point. This thread is about Kamala Harris.

    Schmidt said: " I just remember vividly the hatred that some Bernie Sanders supporters had towards Hillary, "

    That is mostly a figment of your imagination. I was called a Hillary hater because I pointed out her shortfalls. Shortfalls that I said would cost her the election. I never said one hateful thing about her. I expressed admiration for her and expressed glowing comments about her performance in the Benghazi hearing. She was a victim of circumstances and if not for Bill Clinton she would be president today. I did say She was out of line for laughing about Moammar Gaddafi.

    realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/19/...

    Using Schmidt's plea:

    "Okay, I have deviated off topic on that latter point. This thread is about Kamala Harris."

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I knock on hundreds of doors at election time -- and also as a former precinct chair I have conducted caucus meetings, attended every caucus meeting (when not a chair), and LISTENED to the many varying viewpoints on candidates. I have encountered just about every kind of voter and non-voter out there including Bernie supporting Hillary haters. I'll leave it at that.
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    Schmidt Wrote: I knock on hundreds of doors at election time -- and also as a former precinct chair I have conducted caucus meetings, attended every caucus meeting (when not a chair), and LISTENED to the many varying viewpoints on candidates. I have encountered just about every kind of voter and non-voter out there including Bernie supporting Hillary haters. I'll leave it at that.
    I thought you were directing Hillary Hater at me. The world is loaded with haters.
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    Someone on MSNBC today summarized Harris well today. Harris is likely to be popular the same demographic as President Obama, educated wine drinkers, but less popular with skilled workers who prefer beer. Joe Biden has a lock on democratic swing voters that favored Sanders or Trump, but voted for Trump as, more-0r-less, protest vote against Hillary Clinton (or just didn't vote); it wasn't that they wanted to see Trump get elected, they just weren't on-board with HC's agenda or simply didn't like her. They wanted to sent a message to the obvious winner, Hillary Clinton, that they'd were behind her 100%, at best 70% behind her on the issues. As president, HC was going to have to work hard get their support.

    Bottom-line, Harris very well could be a female version of President Obama, very popular with the same demographic, and at risk in key swing states that must be won in order to become President. Harris would need a working-man's VP, a Joe Biden type.

    A Biden - Harris ticket would be a juggernaut that crush Trump and his base. But we are a long way away from even having a top 10 democratic candidate.

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    Yes, whatever a candidate defines him or her self as, then it will likely not resonate with some person or group. It is a problem for the two-party system when neither party can be all things to all people. Thus some protest by voting for a 3rd party candidate, effectively throwing their vote away.

    In addition, any candidate who has served in public office will have a record of what they did and how they voted. In Kamala Harris's case she was both a district attorney and attorney general as well as senator so by scrutinizing her record someone can find cases that they disagree with on principle (although not necessarily legally).

    The New York Times has an article on Harris entitled, Can Kamala Harris Repeat Obama’s Success With Black Voters? It’s Complicated. While Harris is black and a graduate of Howard University, that is not enough in the eyes of some black voters, and perhaps Black Lives Matter. In other words because she was a prosecutor, she doesn't meet the purity tests of some blacks. From the NYT article:

    “Any black person that participates in a system that’s inherently racist, upholds it,” said Charles Lee, a 35-year-old Berkeley, Calif., resident, speaking on the day Ms. Harris announced her presidential run."

    “I’m going to have some point of caution with anybody who used to be a prosecutor,” said LaTosha Brown, co-founder of the Black Voters Matter Fund, which mobilizes black voters. “The entire system is flawed, the way that people are prosecuted, and the unfairness that black people experience in the court system,” Ms. Brown said.

    Therein lies the problem for Democratic Party candidates including Ms. Harris. If you are upholding a law that appears to many to be unfair, then you become part of what populists are calling the "corrupt system". I have no problem about voters holding candidates accountable for their past actions or votes, but with the proviso that the voters understand the political and constitutional legalities of the system. Barack Obama was criticized by many black voters because he wasn't able to change the economic status of African-Americans and many hold that against him...never mind the obstructionist "Party of No".

    Democrats cast a wide umbrella, but it's difficult to cover everyone when it is pouring.

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    At his point in history, even if we elected a person who has attained total awareness (enlightenment) who always made prefect policy decisions, that person would still be judged, some seeing the genius in every decision, others would reject those same decisions because they lack the awareness to understand.

    I did not like everything decision made by President Obama, but overall I thought he was a very good president.
    I thought President Bush made a lot a very bad decisions, but not all his policies were bad, and I perceived him to be an honest man.

    With Trump is just a con man, always looking for ways to rip off people for his personal benefit. Trump's mind set "If someone rips you off, that's your fault. They won, you lost. Don't blame them that you're a loser. Ethics and morals are for losers, not winners."

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Democrats cast a wide umbrella, but it's difficult to cover everyone when it is pouring.

    {I'm digressing from main topic}

    Democrats = Inclusive. All are welcome
    Republicans = Exclusive. Welcome if you meet acceptance criteria.

    {even further digression}

    If Trump could over-haul the immigration system in his own image. To be able to migrant to the US, there would be a high bar of entry, and a significant financial cost. Trump's ideal would be that US becomes the world's most prestigious country club for foreigners and jet setters. To become a US Citizen they must pay a high initiation fee along with meeting a high bar (speak fluent English, wealthy, etc).

    Besides the Wall, he would solve the illegal alien problem by granting unlimited work visas to anybody for low income jobs (12k per year or less). Such people would be excluded from any labor laws or minimum wage requirements. Employers would be allowed to set their own working conditions free from government interference or regulation; Laissez-faire work environment. As non-citizens, they would not have any civil or legal rights protections.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes, whatever a candidate defines him or her self as, then it will likely not resonate with some person or group. It is a problem for the two-party system when neither party can be all things to all people. Thus some protest by voting for a 3rd party candidate, effectively throwing their vote away.

    In addition, any candidate who has served in public office will have a record of what they did and how they voted. In Kamala Harris's case she was both a district attorney and attorney general as well as senator so by scrutinizing her record someone can find cases that they disagree with on principle (although not necessarily legally).

    The New York Times has an article on Harris entitled, Can Kamala Harris Repeat Obama’s Success With Black Voters? It’s Complicated. While Harris is black and a graduate of Howard University, that is not enough in the eyes of some black voters, and perhaps Black Lives Matter. In other words because she was a prosecutor, she doesn't meet the purity tests of some blacks. From the NYT article:

    “Any black person that participates in a system that’s inherently racist, upholds it,” said Charles Lee, a 35-year-old Berkeley, Calif., resident, speaking on the day Ms. Harris announced her presidential run."

    “I’m going to have some point of caution with anybody who used to be a prosecutor,” said LaTosha Brown, co-founder of the Black Voters Matter Fund, which mobilizes black voters. “The entire system is flawed, the way that people are prosecuted, and the unfairness that black people experience in the court system,” Ms. Brown said.

    Therein lies the problem for Democratic Party candidates including Ms. Harris. If you are upholding a law that appears to many to be unfair, then you become part of what populists are calling the "corrupt system". I have no problem about voters holding candidates accountable for their past actions or votes, but with the proviso that the voters understand the political and constitutional legalities of the system. Barack Obama was criticized by many black voters because he wasn't able to change the economic status of African-Americans and many hold that against him...never mind the obstructionist "Party of No".

    Democrats cast a wide umbrella, but it's difficult to cover everyone when it is pouring.

    Again, it does not matter is she's black , brown, yellow or green. I guess people here forget that they need an President who has world wide experience and knowledge of a broad range of subjects Also should have the desire to "learn" or be able to "analyse".

    Just running for the job to promote yourself is absolute wrong. Kamala is an nice woman but has only some judicial knowledge, which is according to my meaning is not sufficient. Hillary had at least enough experience as well abroad and knowledge of the job and the "system"; Kamala still has to learn that. The same applies to Warren and others who have very little worldwide experience. My opinion is, that this "island" should be able think beyond its own borders and have the knowledge to do so, by electing leaders who have the "brains" for it and listen to the "right" advisers; just a nice smile and the "right words" or likability does not cut it. Neither do rally's with a lot of screaming and shouting, as well making promises which can't be kept.

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    I've been watching Kamala Harris along with all the other declared candidates. However, I have to say I am becoming less enthusiastic about her as she repeatedly seems to stumble on the campaign trail not being able to answer questions that she absolutely should be able to answer as one of the first candidates out the door. The Washington Post in this article has highlighted what I have observed.

    Chelsea Janes, Washington Post, March 16, 2019: Despite verbal miscues, presidential hopeful Harris draws little criticism from voters

    A question related to what she thought about a guaranteed basic income of $1,000 a month for every American aged 18-64. Harris answered "I haven't analyzed that policy". It's an honest answer saying you don't know enough, but the topic is something that as a candidate for president she should have analyzed and had a good answer.

    CNN's John King asked her a valid question about why previous Obama voters flipped to Donald Trump. She ducked, "I'll leave that to the pundits".

    On Medicare for All she equivocated on single payer seemingly not understanding that people would lose their employer based health insurance.

    These might seem like petty things to knock her on, but to me she hasn't done her homework or thought in depth about many of the issues of the day relying instead on her personality to carry the day. I guess people judge their favored candidates on likeability, and the issues don't matter to them. I will still support Harris, but if she's our candidate, then I hope she is better prepared for the general election debates.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I've been watching Kamala Harris along with all the other declared candidates. However, I have to say I am becoming less enthusiastic about her as she repeatedly seems to stumble on the campaign trail not being able to answer questions that she absolutely should be able to answer as one of the first candidates out the door. The Washington Post in this article has highlighted what I have observed.

    Chelsea Janes, Washington Post, March 16, 2019: Despite verbal miscues, presidential hopeful Harris draws little criticism from voters

    A question related to what she thought about a guaranteed basic income of $1,000 a month for every American aged 18-64. Harris answered "I haven't analyzed that policy". It's an honest answer saying you don't know enough, but the topic is something that as a candidate for president she should have analyzed and had a good answer.

    CNN's John King asked her a valid question about why previous Obama voters flipped to Donald Trump. She ducked, "I'll leave that to the pundits".

    On Medicare for All she equivocated on single payer seemingly not understanding that people would lose their employer based health insurance.

    These might seem like petty things to knock her on, but to me she hasn't done her homework or thought in depth about many of the issues of the day relying instead on her personality to carry the day. I guess people judge their favored candidates on likeability, and the issues don't matter to them. I will still support Harris, but if she's our candidate, then I hope she is better prepared for the general election debates.

    Read my thread above that says it all; sorry all the "hoepla" does not cut it. Elections here are just an American "circus" but nothing as it should be.
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