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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Is Pelosi taking too hard a stand on Wall money. I know members here have many times expressed support for compromising in government. Should Pelosi compromise her no wall money position?

    How Pelosi's 'No Wall' Triggers Trump's Dangerous Narcissism

    pelosi says no wall no way from www.forbes.com

    1 day ago · No means no. The wall is, as she says, an “immorality.” She's even

  • Liberal Democrat
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    My opinions follow:

    Nancy Pelosi has done her homework on Trump, as has all the world leaders. They all certainly understand his narcissism and his need for winning and accolades, two traits of narcissism. I'm sure she has also consulted with some of the best psychologists in understanding Trump.

    Mayo Clinic: Narcissistic personality disorder

    "Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism."

    World leaders have tried to either 1) indulge Trump's narcissism and give him what he wants, hoping to get something in return, or 2) confront him (e.g. Trudeau in Canada). Neither has worked because Trump himself has no understanding of what it takes to negotiate with adversaries other than to bully them into submission. He has no vision of how to negotiate the complexities of America's place in the world. That's because his only focus is on his self...his ego.

    Nancy Pelosi fully understands this and will not indulge Trump on his terms. Rather I see her filling the role of a shrewd politician who will attack his "fragile self-esteem" and goad him into making irrational remarks that will undermine his base. He survives because his base remains steadfastly loyal to him. Nancy is going after that. From the Forbes article:

    "While saying yes to border security and yes to immigration reform, she’s very clear that Trump can’t have his wall. No means no. The wall is, as she says, an “immorality.” She’s even said that demands for the wall are “like a manhood thing with him — as if manhood can be associated with him.” But he refuses to accept her no. There’s to be no compromise. Why? Well, he can’t agree to open the government because, as he’s been quoted saying, “I would look foolish if I did that.” He comes first, before country or even party. Rather than looking for an agreement he’s governing like a pathological narcissist, as well as being someone who does indeed have a self-described and documented history of being a sexual predator. That should not be forgotten. Character is everything."

    Nancy Pelosi must continue to say no to the wall and erode GOP support for the wall and his base. She will pass piecemeal legislation in the House to chip away at the Republican support for the wall. And when she ultimately wins, she will attack his manhood again and again, rendering him impotent in the eyes of his base. She views Donald Trump for what he is -- an imposter who is dangerous on the world stage and has to be neutralized before he can do more damage in the next two years. In effect she wants to make him a scorned lame duck president without real power for the next two years.

    That's my opinion subject to disagreement. She is shrewd and playing the long game...

  • Independent
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    Chet, I don't know what you mean; this is actually an "political" fight and has nothing to do with the "wall" but more or less to do with who's got the power. The point is, if you give an "inch" that will mean Trump will "walk" right over you. His objective is still to become an dictator and if he gets step by step his way, then he succeeds in becoming one.

    Right now he broke all the rules and laws of this country and it has become time that someone stops him.

    However the main cause of all of this is our "stupid" law system, which has no "black or white" lawful borderlines on how far a President can go. Every "pilot/plane" has a flight manual which exactly details the limits of the plane as well the limits of the pilot what he can do with the plane; however in this government such "manual" is missing; thus the plane may crash.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    My opinions follow:

    Nancy Pelosi has done her homework on Trump, as has all the world leaders. They all certainly understand his narcissism and his need for winning and accolades, two traits of narcissism. I'm sure she has also consulted with some of the best psychologists in undbyerstanding Trump.

    Mayo Clinic: Narcissistic personality disorder

    "Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism."

    World leaders have tried to either 1) indulge Trump's narcissism and give him what he wants, hoping to get something in return, or 2) confront him (e.g. Trudeau in Canada). Neither has worked because Trump himself has no understanding of what it takes to negotiate with adversaries other than to bully them into submission. He has no vision of how to negotiate the complexities of America's place in the world. That's because his only focus is on his self...his ego.

    Nancy Pelosi fully understands this and will not indulge Trump on his terms. Rather I see her filling the role of a shrewd politician who will attack his "fragile self-esteem" and goad him into making irrational remarks that will undermine his base. He survives because his base remains steadfastly loyal to him. Nancy is going after that. From the Forbes article:

    "While saying yes to border security and yes to immigration reform, she’s very clear that Trump can’t have his wall. No means no. The wall is, as she says, an “immorality.” She’s even said that demands for the wall are “like a manhood thing with him — as if manhood can be associated with him.” But he refuses to accept her no. There’s to be no compromise. Why? Well, he can’t agree to open the government because, as he’s been quoted saying, “I would look foolish if I did that.” He comes first, before country or even party. Rather than looking for an agreement he’s governing like a pathological narcissist, as well as being someone who does indeed have a self-described and documented history of being a sexual predator. That should not be forgotten. Character is everything."

    Nancy Pelosi must continue to say no to the wall and erode GOP support for the wall and his base. She will pass piecemeal legislation in the House to chip away at the Republican support for the wall. And when she ultimately wins, she will attack his manhood again and again, rendering him impotent in the eyes of his base. She views Donald Trump for what he is -- an imposter who is dangerous on the world stage and has to be neutralized before he can do more damage in the next two years. In effect she wants to make him a scorned lame duck president without real power for the next two years.

    That's my opinion subject to disagreement. She is shrewd and playing the long game...

    Schmidt, Above all else you have presented perfect grounds for impeachment.
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Chet, I don't know what you mean; this is actually an "political" fight and has nothing to do with the "wall" but more or less to do with who's got the power. The point is, if you give an "inch" that will mean Trump will "walk" right over you. His objective is still to become an dictator and if he gets step by step his way, then he succeeds in becoming one.

    Right now he broke all the rules and laws of this country and it has become time that someone stops him.

    However the main cause of all of this is our "stupid" law system, which has no "black or white" lawful borderlines on how far a President can go. Every "pilot/plane" has a flight manual which exactly details the limits of the plane as well the limits of the pilot what he can do with the plane; however in this government such "manual" is missing; thus the plane may crash.

    Dutch, Trump has stepped completely out of the role of a competent leader. I am wondering how the everyday person is viewing this.
  • Center Left
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    We should never make allowances for his Narcissistic ways. We should see it as a vulnerability. Republicans key on every weakness. We should do no less.

    Fact checks are almost instantaneous anymore. The follow up statement should say the fear monger in chief just lied 18 times in misrepresenting the situation.

    A hard line opposition is what I would want to hear. Additional 1.4 billion to enchance persons and procedures. Zero for the fence.

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    TJ Wrote:

    We should never make allowances for his Narcissistic ways. We should see it as a vulnerability. Republicans key on every weakness. We should do no less.

    Fact checks are almost instantaneous anymore. The follow up statement should say the fear monger in chief just lied 18 times in misrepresenting the situation.

    A hard line opposition is what I would want to hear. Additional 1.4 billion to enchance persons and procedures. Zero for the fence.

    T.J. It is the total incompetence at the top; slowly but surely Trump has changed the top into an "maffia" like group.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Getting back on the topic of Nancy Pelosi, she and Chuck Schumer's rebuttal to Trump's speech of lies and exaggerations last night was spot on, although some in the media highlighted the optics of her and Chuck squeezing behind a single podium. Nancy Pelosi has the power to pull this off by passing piecemeal legislation to reopen the government bit by bit. McConnell will feel the heat if more and more Republicans in the House support her efforts. Watch what happens through Friday.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Is McConnell creating a constitutional violation by subjecting to Trumps wishes before the fact. McConnell is subordinating the legislative branch to the executive branch.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    My opinions follow:

    Nancy Pelosi has done her homework on Trump, as has all the world leaders. They all certainly understand his narcissism and his need for winning and accolades, two traits of narcissism. I'm sure she has also consulted with some of the best psychologists in undbyerstanding Trump.

    Mayo Clinic: Narcissistic personality disorder

    "Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism."

    World leaders have tried to either 1) indulge Trump's narcissism and give him what he wants, hoping to get something in return, or 2) confront him (e.g. Trudeau in Canada). Neither has worked because Trump himself has no understanding of what it takes to negotiate with adversaries other than to bully them into submission. He has no vision of how to negotiate the complexities of America's place in the world. That's because his only focus is on his self...his ego.

    Nancy Pelosi fully understands this and will not indulge Trump on his terms. Rather I see her filling the role of a shrewd politician who will attack his "fragile self-esteem" and goad him into making irrational remarks that will undermine his base. He survives because his base remains steadfastly loyal to him. Nancy is going after that. From the Forbes article:

    "While saying yes to border security and yes to immigration reform, she’s very clear that Trump can’t have his wall. No means no. The wall is, as she says, an “immorality.” She’s even said that demands for the wall are “like a manhood thing with him — as if manhood can be associated with him.” But he refuses to accept her no. There’s to be no compromise. Why? Well, he can’t agree to open the government because, as he’s been quoted saying, “I would look foolish if I did that.” He comes first, before country or even party. Rather than looking for an agreement he’s governing like a pathological narcissist, as well as being someone who does indeed have a self-described and documented history of being a sexual predator. That should not be forgotten. Character is everything."

    Nancy Pelosi must continue to say no to the wall and erode GOP support for the wall and his base. She will pass piecemeal legislation in the House to chip away at the Republican support for the wall. And when she ultimately wins, she will attack his manhood again and again, rendering him impotent in the eyes of his base. She views Donald Trump for what he is -- an imposter who is dangerous on the world stage and has to be neutralized before he can do more damage in the next two years. In effect she wants to make him a scorned lame duck president without real power for the next two years.

    That's my opinion subject to disagreement. She is shrewd and playing the long game...

    Schmidt, Above all else you have presented perfect grounds for impeachment.

    As bad as Trump is he is playing on the status of US Presidency to get a pass on his abberant behavior.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Nancy Pelosi continues to challenge Trump's assertions on the Trump Wall this time calling him "almost delusional".

    Yahoo News reports,

    Trump says federal workers support his govt. shutdown. Pelosi says he's 'almost' delusional.

    "President Trump has claimed repeatedly that many federal workers directly impacted by partial U.S. government shutdown have been telling him to keep up the fight for his border wall. Nearly two dozen furloughed government employees appeared alongside Democratic leaders at a news conference on Wednesday in Washington, D.C., where they were asked by a reporter to raise their hand if they supported the president’s position and want to see a wall built.

    "None of them did.

    “This is an example of the president being almost delusionary,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said. “He says to us, ‘Workers are calling me saying, I’ll stay out without a paycheck, as long as it takes.’ And it’s like, well, who? Give us names.”

    This is what I like about Pelosi. She keeps prodding him with a hot poker while keeping a straight sober poker face.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Nancy Pelosi continues to challenge Trump's assertions on the Trump Wall this time calling him "almost delusional".

    Yahoo News reports,

    Trump says federal workers support his govt. shutdown. Pelosi says he's 'almost' delusional.

    "President Trump has claimed repeatedly that many federal workers directly impacted by partial U.S. government shutdown have been telling him to keep up the fight for his border wall. Nearly two dozen furloughed government employees appeared alongside Democratic leaders at a news conference on Wednesday in Washington, D.C., where they were asked by a reporter to raise their hand if they supported the president’s position and want to see a wall built.

    "None of them did.

    “This is an example of the president being almost delusionary,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said. “He says to us, ‘Workers are calling me saying, I’ll stay out without a paycheck, as long as it takes.’ And it’s like, well, who? Give us names.”

    This is what I like about Pelosi. She keeps prodding him with a hot poker while keeping a straight sober poker face.

    Yes she is playing the right "game", but if you have an "asshole turtle" to fight against you can better make "turtle soup" of him. But yeah, that is what you get if you live in an banana republic without proper laws and an corrupt antique government system.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Speaker Pelosi (man, I love writing that again) is simply teaching Donald the lessons of divided government. His days of ruling by strong-arming Republicans into submission are gone, if they were ever around to begin with.

    Donald had two years of single-party rule and never got his wall. Hell - he never really even fought much at all for his wall. Now he's simply realized that it's a good way to gin up his base and get the press to stop talking about Mueller 24/7. It's an exercise in smoke and mirrors with hundreds of thousands of Federal employees being used as pawns in his game.

    He knows he's never going to get his wall, but that's not the point. The point is that he can never, ever, ever admit that he "lost" something. And no matter which way this plays out, Donald is going to lose this fight.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I love it and now Cohen going before a Democratic congress.
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    Congressional hearings are the once in a lifetime chance for a congressperson to create a world class brand. I'll guarantee there are late-night all night sessions going on planning earthshaking questions for Cohen. It don't get no better than this.