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Trump legitimized thievery.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Before Trump there was the illusion that good was rewarded. Now the lesson is lying, cheating and stealing is another road to success. In Florida the Scott vs Nelson senate race is essentially a tie. Is the comparison judged by who has done the most for the country? No, Scott is responsible for 100s of millions of dollars diverted for his personal wealth, cutting funding that probably made the red tide worse, refusing Federal Money to expand medicaid, secret deals where he made 550 million dollars while governor, an ideology of cutting all government spending and taxes. He was picked over a lifelong politician that the worst attack ads they could come up with were about Nelson supporting a party line and Nelson's attendance record. Florida had a dessert choice of ice cream or heroin. Right now heroin is winning.
  • Independent
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    Yes, Chet you say it correctly. What I'm wondering about, is why there is an tied vote? Is the whole of FL nuts to vote for someone who just like Trump only cares for himself and especially his wallet? What is wrong with the people in this country?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    "Why is there a tied vote?" Ignorance, apathy and tribalism...but also fear.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Why is there a tied vote?"

    How about Democratic Apathy? The worst president in the history of the country and once again he wins. The Democratic party is not saying how they can be better for the people. Top issues are health care and wages. Remember a few months back when it was going to be a Blue tsunami? Perez and Hillary started a discussion about wages and health care and shortly thereafter the talk disappeared.

    "Why is there a tied vote?" Still not addressing the people that can't afford to live. MAGA needs to be addressed not ignored. Trump didn't "create" a single job. Nobody talking about that. His jobs are a result of foreign job replacements. GDP still not relevant to DOW. 26000 DOW is not the result of new industries. Nobody knows what the 26000 DOW means.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Why is there a tied vote when the choice is between human rights and thievery? Look at what each party has done for their constituency over the last 40 years. The Republican party disabled laws that were to stabilize the economy. The Republicans passed laws to make usery loan rates the standard way to do business. The Republican party lowered tax rates and then said people need to provide for their own needs. The Republican party deregulated the stock market so their constituents could stop creating jobs and make money from pure gambling. The Republican party made it possible for a very few people to have most of the wealth and own most of the assets. What has the Democratic Party done for Democrats? Other than consistently compromise away rights of the lower classes????? Stand by while usery loan rates are robbing the lower classes?? Stand by while the SS Trust Fund is robbed???? The Democratic Party needs a reformation to the needs of the working class. Then crooks and felons may not get voted into office. A tied vote should be an awakening!!!!

  • Independent
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    I would say its more Democratic frustration than apathy. And its treated more like a sporting event where it winner takes all. Win by 1 vote, settles all questions, such as "Is Global Warming Real?" The winner gets to decide that question no matter what the facts might be. If Pence were elected president, the world suddenly was created in 7 days no more than few thousand years ago and homosexual becomes immoral.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes, I agree that voter frustration contributes to lower voter turn-out, but isn't the term "frustration" really a result of ignorance of how our democracy works? I will use the Obama example again. So many liberals showed frustration with Obama after his 2008 election because they wanted a dictator...a king...someone who could just enact the liberal agenda by decree and showed frustration with him as Republicans became the "Party of No" and blocked his many attempts to get things done.

    I wrote a blog article about "blaming Obama" in 2015: The Strategy behind the “Party of No” to obstruct job growth

    Republicans were able to turn the 2010 midterm election into a landslide win for Republicans because precisely they were able to blame Obama for just about everything while obstructing his every move. The ignorance of many Obama voters of 2008 manifested itself in "frustration" with him in 2010. "Why can't Obama just do it?" was something I often heard when having a conversation at a door. Some liberals on this website actually called him the "lesser of two evils".

    I met many "frustrated Democrats" canvassing in elections from 2010 to 2016, and I maintain that their ignorance of how our government works is appalling. Understanding of the Constitution, government roles and responsibilities, laws and regulations is necessary to vote intelligently.

    Compromise is an absolutely essential part of that process for government to work. Compromise is not a four letter word as some liberals seem to believe...those that stay home on election day because of "frustration" that they cannot get their liberal agenda passed by presidential decree.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Compromise is an absolutely essential part of that process for government to work."

    Compromise brings us to a tied election between one party that wants to take away from the people and a party that is supposed to protect the people.

    Did we expect too much of Obama???

    I can still remember the excitement of his 2004 speech.

    ​Compromise presents Trump.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet --- I disagree with you. Show me your rational for "compromise brings us to a tied election...". I admit to not understanding your logic....that and "Compromise presents Trump". Sheesh Chet are you talking about a revolution where we will have a dictatorial government in which the ruling party gets 100 percent...no compromises? That's what it sound like to me, or maybe I'm just not understanding what you mean by "compromise presents Trump". Please explain.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    " I'm just not understanding what you mean by "compromise presents Trump". Please explain."

    Schmidt, I told you in 2015 that Trump would win the election because of "Good paying jobs" which at that time I said should have been Hillary's slogan and make America Great Again. Hillary had to compromise her position in order to not attack 8 years of Obama. There compromise presents Trump. She modified her position somewhat after the convention but by then it was too late. Compromise presents Trump. You couldn't understand that when I presented it in 2015. Do you understand it now???

  • Liberal Democrat
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    No I don't understand. You are making correlations that just do not stand scrutiny. You're blaming Hillary's loss on the fact that as you allege she "compromised her position in order to not attack 8 years of Obama". That doesn't make sense. It's bullshit. Were you get one of those on the Trump bandwagon attacking Obama just for the sake of attacking Obama like a good Republican? It sounds like it.

    You ignore the Comey effect, the Russian interference, the Party of No sabotage of Obama's presidency, and the Bernie or Bust folks, who in their total ignorance voted for the con artist Trump as some kind of savior of status or protest. If you had read my blog from 2015, you'll find the following extract regarding Republican efforts to sabotage Obama's presidency:

    "Republican Senator, Jerry Lewis, said it more bluntly, ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was, it doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”"

    That's exactly what they did for eight years and they brought many liberals into their fold as well with their endless bitchin about Obama. The strategy worked well for Republicans against Obama so they continued it in an orchestrated hate campaign against Hillary.

    Your hate of "compromise" suggest an ideological worldview that might best be found in Russia, North Korea, or maybe Saudi Arabia, but is not a part of American democracy. You won't find the government leaders of those countries compromising with anyone.

    Our government is what it is...it has it's flaws, but casting blame with irrational, emotional rants doesn't solve problems.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes, I agree that voter frustration contributes to lower voter turn-out, but isn't the term "frustration" really a result of ignorance of how our democracy works? I will use the Obama example again. So many liberals showed frustration with Obama after his 2008 election because they wanted a dictator...a king...someone who could just enact the liberal agenda by decree and showed frustration with him as Republicans became the "Party of No" and blocked his many attempts to get things done.


    My post was not clear. I was mostly suggesting the most democratic voters were frustrated by Trump and the system, not that frustration is a reason that people are not voting. If anything frustration motivates people to vote.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, You are defending the establishment hierarchy of the Democratic Party casting blame with irrational, emotional rants. There is nothing more dictatorial along the lines of North Korea than a hardline party person that is more concerned with the preserving the party. Hardline party people are dangerous because they will do anything for the preservation of the party. They will sacrifice the people to stay in power. You can't understand why Trump is president because you deny that the party abandoned the poor class. If you want to win elections then start doing something for the lower classes that can't help themselves. I told you early on that the Party has to address the needs of the people. Now the Party Hardliners are celebrating a victory in the house when it should have been a Senate victory also. Your dissertations sound like a right wing attack on free speech. Your blatant violation of the word compromise is the rhetoric of a party hardliner defending a do nothing party. There has been no compromise in the last 50 years. If has been a continual giving up of 80 year old social recognitions for the lower class. Look at who has benefited the most in the last 60 years. All of the compromises have been give backs to the upper tax brackets. Social security has been all give backs instead if morphing in to worry free retirement. You yourself said a frugal life style is necessary to have a worry free retirement. That is a total sellout, not comoromise. The Republican party has made possible bosses getting thousands of times a workers wage while workers can't afford to live. Selling out for personal gain isn't compromise, it is a crime against humanity when the least fortunate suffer and die early because they have been cheated out of health care and a living wage. Legalizing gambling in the stock market has cheated millions out of a living wages. That was a rigged law by Gramm signed in by Clinton. Who benefited from that compromise???

    How Congress Rushed a Bill that Helped Bring the Economy to Its Knees

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    gramm passed thd cfma from m.huffpost.com

    May 11, 2009 · Gramm's opposition held the bill in limbo until Congress ... which had trouble passing Congress on its own accord, and ...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt said:

    "So many liberals showed frustration with Obama after his 2008 election because they wanted a dictator...a king"

    Shameful argument by exaggeration. People just thought Obama could do what he promised. There was no caveat from Obama about non performance based on Congressional support.

    Schmidt, When you were campaigning for Obama did you tell people that his fulfilling his promises was based on Congressional support???

    You obviously knew that to be the reality. Did you explain the reality???

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "You're blaming Hillary's loss on the fact that as you allege she "compromised her position in order to not attack 8 years of Obama". That doesn't make sense."

    Even Hillary agrees with me Schmidt.

    Hillary Clinton: Obama's record made it hard to run as an 'agent of change'

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    Nov 22, 2017 · obama clinton pic Clinton said that while she was proud to serve under Obama as secretary of state, she ...

    I thought you were knowledgeable about Hillary. It is obvious that you like to throw out meaningless accusations .