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  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-11-04 10:15:06 PM
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    Worst but possible case scenario made possible by the reluctance for people to publicly identify with Trump and Trump's tax cut. The tax cut is extra money for most incomes. Jobs numbers and announcements of wage gains and GDP gain and the economy doing good are all possible rationalizations to excuse a vote for republicans. Top that off with no explanations for the negative effects of the tax cuts is making it very easy for Republican gains on Tuesday.
  • Dutch
    2018-11-05 09:07:38 AM
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Worst but possible case scenario made possible by the reluctance for people to publicly identify with Trump and Trump's tax cut. The tax cut is extra money for most incomes. Jobs numbers and announcements of wage gains and GDP gain and the economy doing good are all possible rationalizations to excuse a vote for republicans. Top that off with no explanations for the negative effects of the tax cuts is making it very easy for Republican gains on Tuesday.
    Chet, sorry the tax cut is the worst thing you can do. Especially if 85% of the rich benefit from it and not the lower classes. Second it drives up the deficit. Third it prevents and cut all kind of social services like healthcare, pensions, infrastructure, you name it. McConnell already announced to cut all social services with billions. Fourth due to the increased deficits, the interest increases on the debt which has to be paid. Fifth, because of the combination of increased cost for healthcare as well all local taxes and daily cost of living, the tax cuts evaporate and the result for most people is "zero" . There is because of the tax cuts no more money to do anything else; this country is outspending itself on our wars, Trumps waste, getting rid of all the correct things Obama did and destroyed by executive orders, forgetting the environment (in Flint still no clean water) in FL dead fish on the beaches, and other stupidities like the "trade wars", which will impact the cost of everything including your life. No, Chet this tax cut is the most stupid thing Trump ever did. The future will tell, and absolutely will "bite" most people in the butt. As I've said in the past, it is "cause and effect" ; these things have been tried in the past and never had an good ending.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-11-05 09:26:47 AM
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    ABC on Good Morning America showing lots of positive Blue signs. Indications are preparations for Blue takeovers. Trumps historically low approval rating of 40% adds Blue Hope. Biggest positive is PEW findings:

    "First, Democrats hold a 10-percentage point lead over the Republicans in the generic ballot. About half of registered voters (52%) say if the election were today, they would vote for the Democrat in their district or lean toward the Democratic candidate; 42% say they would support the Republican or lean Republican."

    Is governoring by lying going to be rejected?

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-11-05 09:33:15 AM
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Worst but possible case scenario made possible by the reluctance for people to publicly identify with Trump and Trump's tax cut. The tax cut is extra money for most incomes. Jobs numbers and announcements of wage gains and GDP gain and the economy doing good are all possible rationalizations to excuse a vote for republicans. Top that off with no explanations for the negative effects of the tax cuts is making it very easy for Republican gains on Tuesday.
    Chet, sorry the tax cut is the worst thing you can do. Especially if 85% of the rich benefit from it and not the lower classes. Second it drives up the deficit. Third it prevents and cut all kind of social services like healthcare, pensions, infrastructure, you name it. McConnell already announced to cut all social services with billions. Fourth due to the increased deficits, the interest increases on the debt which has to be paid. Fifth, because of the combination of increased cost for healthcare as well all local taxes and daily cost of living, the tax cuts evaporate and the result for most people is "zero" . There is because of the tax cuts no more money to do anything else; this country is outspending itself on our wars, Trumps waste, getting rid of all the correct things Obama did and destroyed by executive orders, forgetting the environment (in Flint still no clean water) in FL dead fish on the beaches, and other stupidities which will impact your life. No, Chet this tax cut is the most stupid thing Trump ever did. The future will tell, and absolutely will "bite" most people in the butt. As I've said in the past, it is "cause and effect" ; these things have been tried in the past and never had an good ending.

    Dutch, I absolutely don't understand what kind of point you are trying to make. Please just explain what you mean by your first sentence and maybe I can understand your meaning. What do you mean by

    "Chet, sorry the tax cut is the worst thing you can do. "

    Explain what you mean.

  • Dutch
    2018-11-05 09:59:40 AM
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    Chet the point I'm trying to make is that these tax cut will have an huge negative effect on everything. People who did get the tax cut ( with exception of the "rich") will be hit with an higher cost of living because they will have to pay more for healthcare, food and everything else because of that the government is looking for money to cut social services, so you end up with paying for these services out of your own pocket, plus the influences of all goods and services affected by the trade wars and increase in the interest rates which may affect for instance your mortgage payments. Because of all of this your net available income is rather negative than positive.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-11-05 10:24:16 AM
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    Dutch Wrote: Chet the point I'm trying to make is that these tax cut will have an huge negative effect on everything. People who did get the tax cut ( with exception of the "rich") will be hit with an higher cost of living because they will have to pay more for healthcare, food and everything else because of that the government is looking for money to cut social services, so you end up with paying for these services out of your own pocket, plus the influences of all goods and services affected by the trade wars and increase in the interest rates which may affect for instance your mortgage payments. Because of all of this your net available income is rather negative than positive.

    It would probably help if you would ever read what I write. I have elaborately and continually expressed the dangers of tax cuts and targeted budget cuts. Every major tax cut is followed by a recession. Jobs are lost because of the corresponding targeted budget cuts. Shifting costs of social services to recipients is a regressive tax on the lower incomes.

    You totally missed my point that the short term results of the tax cuts can sway people to vote against their long term best interests. Trump's tax cut can buy more votes than it runs off. That is the point I am making.

    Right or wrong, people can be bought.

  • TJ
    2018-11-05 10:38:47 AM
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    Their message is effective because they have one. We aren't him is accurate but shows the same amount of initiative as "can't vote, have you seen what's on tv tonight ? Guy.

    In 11,000 ways we want to help nearly everyone and heal the planet.

    I hope for historical voter turnout and a serious change of course. I will not hold my breath. Until we have checks and balances and total accountability... this ugly mess continues.

    Lions, Tigers and Bears, Oh my ! Absurd Caravan rhetoric will continue because he's absolutely talking down to the 4th grade mentality that resonates and makes sense to his sheep. Those sheep are 35 - 40 % of the population. 35% who vote 100% of the time was a winning formula in '16.


  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-11-05 01:48:53 PM
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    TJ, Your observation, in 11,000 ways we want to help nearly everyone and heal the planet, is the destruction of the Democratic Party. The solution/salvation is to focus on living wages for the lower classes. The necessary moves to do that will in turn benefit everybody. The Republicans have no problem focusing on their constituents. The irony and paradox is that helping the lower class will help everybody. Now the MSM is parroting a booming economy. And I haven't heard anybody enunciating the short term vs long term effects of a tax cut. What kind of message is sent to out trillion dollar creditors by our self imposed income reduction. Dangerous game to play. Same thing as watching a long overdue delinquent debtor buying a new Cadillac.
  • Dockadams
    2018-11-05 01:51:40 PM
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Worst but possible case scenario made possible by the reluctance for people to publicly identify with Trump and Trump's tax cut. The tax cut is extra money for most incomes. Jobs numbers and announcements of wage gains and GDP gain and the economy doing good are all possible rationalizations to excuse a vote for republicans. Top that off with no explanations for the negative effects of the tax cuts is making it very easy for Republican gains on Tuesday.
    Chet, sorry the tax cut is the worst thing you can do. Especially if 85% of the rich benefit from it and not the lower classes. Second it drives up the deficit. Third it prevents and cut all kind of social services like healthcare, pensions, infrastructure, you name it. McConnell already announced to cut all social services with billions. Fourth due to the increased deficits, the interest increases on the debt which has to be paid. Fifth, because of the combination of increased cost for healthcare as well all local taxes and daily cost of living, the tax cuts evaporate and the result for most people is "zero" . There is because of the tax cuts no more money to do anything else; this country is outspending itself on our wars, Trumps waste, getting rid of all the correct things Obama did and destroyed by executive orders, forgetting the environment (in Flint still no clean water) in FL dead fish on the beaches, and other stupidities like the "trade wars", which will impact the cost of everything including your life. No, Chet this tax cut is the most stupid thing Trump ever did. The future will tell, and absolutely will "bite" most people in the butt. As I've said in the past, it is "cause and effect" ; these things have been tried in the past and never had an good ending.

    The republicans will go on blaming democrats for deficits and debt.

    The only thing my working wife realized from the Trump and republican tax cuts was an extra $5.00 on her pay, meanwhile, food prices have gone up by about 10-15% in my area, labor charges on car repairs at garages around my city went up from $65-$75 an hour to $100+ an hour-e.g. Midas-Tires Plus-National Pride-etc.. I can't wait to see what her ACA premiums are going to be for 2019, and the republicans and Trump claim our economy is doing great, but where, and for who?

  • Dockadams
    2018-11-05 02:03:27 PM
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    Their message is effective because they have one

    Yeah, and it's sounding like a record or a CD that keeps repeating the same track over and over "tax cuts" "job creation".

    It's the repuglican mantra, election year after election year.

    In my neck of the woods, my city/village keeps giving tax incentives to so called "job creators", they gave Foxconn $4.1B in incentives because they promised to create 13,000 jobs, and Walker keeps wanting to cut property taxes, ha, in my village, they're raising property taxes, damn, it must be that republican fuzzy math where 2+2=5.

    "All told, public subsidies have risen to more than $315,000 per job, and aren’t expected to be recouped by the state until after 2050–if ever." fortune.com/2018/10/31/data-sheet-wisco...

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-11-05 02:26:58 PM
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    Everybody here sees the negative effect of tax cuts. Why not a national condemnation with explanation? Few months ago we were riding in on white horses and now the DNC can't make a claim to anything. Perez and Hillary started out a few months ago supporting wage improvements and health care. The Republicans are making false claims about health care while telling gravely ill people to go to the emergency room.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-11-05 06:19:43 PM
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    Watching all the news I am getting the impression of a Blue tsunami. Couldn't be happier. Reporting lots of new registrations and MSM identifying them as 10+% Democratic.
  • that guy in AZ
    2018-11-05 06:42:05 PM
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    Lots of good comments from everyone so far on this topic.

    At this point, it is virtually impossible to predict who is going to prevail tomorrow, but several articles in this morning's Al Jazeera should give all of us liberals some hope:

    1) The issues that most people are concerned about are also issues that the Democratic Party has an edge. The list can be found at the link below:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/midterm-elections-key-issues-180928103258276.html

    2) Early voting is significantly higher than it was for the mid-term election in 2014. Since higher turnout generally favors Democrats, that is very encouraging news

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/midterms-2018-latest-updates-181030175547529.html

    3) "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more.

    NBC, Facebook, and FOX (gasp!) have refused to air Trump's anti-immigration ad because it is too racist. To no one's surprise, Trump is considering suing Facebook for anti-trust violation

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/midterms-2018-latest-updates-181030175547529.html

    The New York Times also gave us some good news:

    4) Folks in the red states have come to the realization that Trump has screwed them. Soybean exports to China have decreased since out "stable genius" started imposing tariffs on our allies:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/business/soybeans-farmers-trade-war.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    5) according to a recent CNN poll, Democrats have a 13 point advantage over Republicans when it some to deciding who should control Congress:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/us/politics/house-senate-elections-georgia-trump.html?action=click&module=Trending&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer&contentCollection=Trending

    6) It ain't over "till the fat lady sings.

    I've seen predictions that the Georgia governor's race won't be decided until December, both due to the closeness of the race, and the fact that Brian Kemp has been using some very questionable tactics in order to suppress the Democratic vote.

    It's a bit early to be popping the champagne works, but I'd be absolutely amazed (or appalled) if the Democrats don't regain at least one branch of the legislative branch.

    See the source image

  • wwjd
    2018-11-06 01:01:18 AM
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    Imagine trump running for re-election. He is likely to make extremely outrageous promises.

    "I shall give everyone American born citizen $100,000 on their tax returns in two years"

    then include some simple voodoo math that makes it seems perfectly possible. Of course it will never happen, but that is beside the point. The point is not fulfilling promises. The point to trick people into voting for him again.... Think about it, how many people would take the gamble thinking they will get $100,000 if Trump were re-elected. When trump is asked to explain here is like what he will say.

    "I willing to pass it into law, but Congress won't pass a bill that gives the American people $100,000 each. Not my fault that congress refuses to give the American people their money back.

  • TJ
    2018-11-06 07:48:44 AM
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    It is a huge day. I am very hopeful but worried because the majority is entirely self serving and dishonest. It's important for citizens who typically don't vote to get reintroduced into the stream of making a difference and being heard.

    In Florida our Gov. Candidate is said to be up by 7% with 3.5% being the margin of error. Bill Nelson is up by 7% over Rick Scott as well. Fingers crossed.

    No political commercials tomorrow. Yay !

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