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A Caravan of Culpability

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  • Robert Peters
    2018-10-25 05:36:15 AM
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    A Caravan of Culpability by Robert Peters


    I would like to say about, not just the caravan heading north towards the US border, but about all the hated brown people "south of the border".
    Firstly, these are Human fucking Beings in need. Honduras has one of or the highest murder rate in the World, but definitely in Central America. Wouldn't you do everything you could so you and your family survive?
    Secondly, and I feel equally as important, is the view of culpability. We need to see what we want to be blind to. How 1+1 equals 2.
    1, a country doing all it can to grow and become strong. Always "marching forward".

    The other 1, countries just like Honduras all over the World, that has, sorry, had, something the first wants. With power's corruptive abilities coupled with the chimpanzee lack of vision and concern, #1 1 totally disrupted Honduras for cheaper bananas and any and all natural resources.
    WE put processions of governments into power with the only caveat being "do what we want you to do", and nothing else matters. Corruption, violence, all levels of Human Rights offenses happen and have happened under "our" watch.
    This and so much more leads to the equals 2.
    These and other people are only wanting to be "ok". We've fucked their countries, consumed all we could, treated them like shit and cut and ran.
    No concerns with consequences and now we sit with culpability.
    Had we ensured the governments helped their citizens instead of feeding off of them, then life would be better within Honduras' borders.
    Yes, we can step further back and say "we should have never been there in the first place", but it has happened.
    We put them and many others in this position out of seeing them, and so many others, within the "us and them" stupidity we stomp around with.
    Let's not forget the lie that the US is a "christian society".
    I am not a follower, but from what I read in the "good book", new testament, touts compassion, "doing to others what you'd want done to you and yours".
    There is the thought that "Jesus" was a nice guy and that you should strive to be like he was said to have been.
    You, we all, need to see the Human Beings around us as that, Human Beings. Not us, not them, but we.
    Don't spit towards people, empathize with their plight. Know they've got wants, needs, hopes, dreams, family and lives just like you and just like you they only want to be "ok".



    Good luck out there

  • Dockadams
    2018-10-25 08:12:25 AM
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    There is only faux compassion coming from everyone in this present administration, from the executive branch right down to no compassion of the justice department of Jeff Sessions. Sessions want's to cut federal funding for so called sanctuary cities, actually, he can't do shit, the congress has the only authority to cut funding. In fact, Chicago and maybe some other cities are suing the fed because they're withholding funds.

    When those migrants reach our border, Trump might declare a state of emergency, and send us all a text alert through the presidential alert system.

    Trump said he would call up active duty military to deter migrants from crossing, but be advised, they are not authorized to shoot or kill migrants (people), the military would only be authorized to detain and arrest. Anything more than that, use of deadly force would be against our laws.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-10-25 08:16:24 AM
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    Difference between a system of institution vs a system of events. A system of institution is repetition creating a society a continuation of interaction exchanging goods and services. A system of events disregards society and there is a natural progression events being consumed by succeeding events accumulating wealth until one final event has all the wealth. The economy is destroyed because all the wealth is stagnated and nothing is being produced for exchange. Mass unemployment and poverty because wealth was used to accumulate wealth through events and not producing goods and services for sale. The money world wide derivative market has removed quadrillion of money from the world economy producing goods and services for sale. One result is a caravan of people disenfranchised from earning a living marching toward the United States.
  • Dutch
    2018-10-25 09:07:43 AM
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    As I already said in an other thread about what is going on as follows:

    Guess what? Looking at this "group" which is walking to our border don't forget the following:

    1) It works the same as it is done in Europe only a small group of people is paid from an source ( Trump/and some billionaires) to arrange such. The people which are "collected" pay a fee to the "arrangers" to make it look like, if there is no involvement from Trump's side.

    2) The "timing" of all of this is done on purpose to get the most effect for Trump's campaign.

    3) All of this gets Trump his "wall" as well as the next step to get rid of sanctuary cities.

    Wake up America; you've got the blinders on!!!!!!!

    Thus it should be clear that this "caravan" did not fall from the sky, but was totally set up with the "help" arranged by the GOP and Trump; also by no longer giving foreign aid to some of these countries like Honduras.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-10-25 10:46:16 AM
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    Dutch said:

    Thus it should be clear that this "caravan" did not fall from the sky,​

    This caravan was created by a world economic system that treats money as a commodity and not a currency to facilitate trading in goods and services.

  • that guy in AZ
    2018-10-25 11:29:09 AM
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    Guatemala has long had a troubled political history, but its citizens are still managing to be more hospitable to refugees from El Salvador and Honduras than we are.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/honduran-caravan-met-outpouring-support-guatemala-181024203710045.html

    What far too many people seem to forget is that the United States is actually the root cause of the caravan, since the CIA supported the coups in Central America in order to help the United Fruit Company:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

  • Dockadams
    2018-11-02 05:30:59 AM
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    Yesterday afternoon at around 3:00 P.M. C.T., Trump appeared on TV screens in my area to talk about the "caravan".

    Some networks carried his message, ABC7 Chicago did not, NBC5 Chicago did not, WTMJ a NBC affiliate in Milwaukee carried the broadcast as did FOX6 Milwaukee.

    One thing in particular that caught my attention from his broadcast was the he was seemingly authorizing the shooting of any migrant who might resist or protest by throwing objects. I would think that if that happens, the world would probably condemn such an act. At least, if it does happen, I would hope outrage would be voiced over his handling of the situation.

    yahoo.com/news/trump-stoking-caravan-fe...

    If the migrants reach our border, I'll be looking for Trump to declare a state of emergency, and possibly even delay the midterm election until his declaration is ended, call it a wag the dog situation.

    From the movie, wag the dog:

    Synopsis

    • The movie starts with a scandal at the White House where the unseen and nameless The President of the USA is accused of fondling a young girl scout visiting the Oval Office just a few weeks before Election Day. Being the third party observers, we know the truth, he's guilty.
    • At an all-night gathering at Motts' Hollywood home, he assembles a team of loyal specialists whom include creative consultant Liz Butsky (Andrea Martin), country-western singer Johnny Dean (Willie Nelson), and entrepreneur Fad King (Dennis Leary) to help out fabricate the means for the "war with Albania". The next day, Motts and Brean venture to a studio back lot that Motts rents out where he hires a young, up-and-promising actress named Tracy Lime (Kirsten Dunst) to play an Albanian peasant girl carrying a CGI cat through the green-screen set up of a destroyed Albanian village. The filmed scene makes the evening news and brings up public interest in the war.
  • Dutch
    2018-11-02 08:35:24 AM
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    I guess Mr. Nuthead Trump forgets one thing; if you kill rock throwers by the military it means war with Mexico. Especially if the "caravan" people are standing on Mexican soil and then throw things. But yeah our Looney idiot has no idea about the world surrounding this banana republic.
  • that guy in AZ
    2018-11-02 05:08:30 PM
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    The main reason that old white folks like Trump are so opposed to immigrants is that the demographics are not in their favor, and they'll do anything they can (voter ID, gerrymandering, deleting "inactive" voters, requiring natives on reservations to have street addresses etc) to hold on to power as long as they can. Ethnic minority children will be the majority in this country NEXT YEAR, and minorities will the majority in our entire country somewhere between 2041 and 2046.

    I found a chart today in a New York Times publication called Upfront (a news magazine for teens) that graphically illustrates where immigrants are coming from at various points in our history

    1910 -

    Europe - 87%

    Canada - 9 %

    Latin America - 2 %

    Everywhere else, less than 1%

    1970 -

    Europe - 60 %

    Latin America - 19 %

    Canada - 8 %

    Asia - 9%

    Others were less than 1%

    2017 -

    Latin America - 50%

    Asia - 31%

    Europe - 11%

    Africa - 5% *

    Canada - 2%

    Others were less than 1%

    These numbers graphically explain two things about Trump

    1) * the number of people coming from "shit hole" countries has increased dramatically

    2) since HALF of our immigrants are coming from Latin America, we'd better build a big, beautiful wall to keep them out

    What is especially interesting is the HUGE drop in immigrants from Europe. Since European countries have become a lot more progressive (remember the $32,000 minimum wage in Norway?) Europeans have very little interest in moving here, since America under Trump has now become a "shit hole country".

    The state that has had the biggest jump (87%) in immigrants is North Dakota. 8 others have had increased in excess of 20%, and Washington, D.C. has experienced an increase of 24.6%

  • Dockadams
    2018-11-03 04:26:33 AM
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    This is a powerful and moving video:

    Khizr Khan, the father of a Muslim U.S. soldier killed in combat, criticized Donald Trump's stance against immigrants and Muslims during a speech at the Democratic National Convention.

    youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkkk-oJ6bo

  • Dutch
    2018-11-03 08:50:59 AM
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    The main reason that old white folks like Trump are so opposed to immigrants is that the demographics are not in their favor, and they'll do anything they can (voter ID, gerrymandering, deleting "inactive" voters, requiring natives on reservations to have street addresses etc) to hold on to power as long as they can. Ethnic minority children will be the majority in this country NEXT YEAR, and minorities will the majority in our entire country somewhere between 2041 and 2046.

    I found a chart today in a New York Times publication called Upfront (a news magazine for teens) that graphically illustrates where immigrants are coming from at various points in our history

    1910 -

    Europe - 87%

    Canada - 9 %

    Latin America - 2 %

    Everywhere else, less than 1%

    1970 -

    Europe - 60 %

    Latin America - 19 %

    Canada - 8 %

    Asia - 9%

    Others were less than 1%

    2017 -

    Latin America - 50%

    Asia - 31%

    Europe - 11%

    Africa - 5% *

    Canada - 2%

    Others were less than 1%

    These numbers graphically explain two things about Trump

    1) * the number of people coming from "shit hole" countries has increased dramatically

    2) since HALF of our immigrants are coming from Latin America, we'd better build a big, beautiful wall to keep them out

    What is especially interesting is the HUGE drop in immigrants from Europe. Since European countries have become a lot more progressive (remember the $32,000 minimum wage in Norway?) Europeans have very little interest in moving here, since America under Trump has now become a "shit hole country".

    The state that has had the biggest jump (87%) in immigrants is North Dakota. 8 others have had increased in excess of 20%, and Washington, D.C. has experienced an increase of 24.6%

    Guy, absolutely correct ; but yeah Trump and his cronies have never read anything. Indeed the US under Trump has become an "shithole" country; especially the "educated" part of the world has observed the downfall of this country. It is time Mueller publishes his 10,000 page report to impeach him; hopefully the whole family as well Miller, McConnell etc.
  • TJ
    2018-11-04 11:21:45 AM
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    Caravan of deadly evil.

    SNL poked some fun at the topic. It would be far more funny if they weren't so inclined to believe the nonsense. Short laugh to start your Sunday.

    rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news/snl-migrant...

  • that guy in AZ
    2018-11-13 11:18:55 AM
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    Since Trump does not think that Kirstjen Nielsen has been tough enough on border security, he has told his advisers that he plans to remove her in the next couple of weeks.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html?utm_term=.a3c615b9356e

    Since Chuck Norris apparently is a Trump fan, it's not impossible to imagine Trump giving him the job. After all, Trump values loyalty more than any other personal characteristic, including actual competence.

  • Dockadams
    2018-12-16 04:38:58 PM
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    Who can we hold responsible for the death of a child who died in custody of the CBP? Agents in the field cannot recognize when someone is ill? I blame trump, but I also blame agents in the field.
  • Dockadams
    2018-12-25 03:46:16 PM
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    And another child, 8 years of age dies in US custody. cnn.com/2018/12/25/us/guatemalan-boy-di...

    wtf man?

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