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that guy in AZ
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The disappearance, and apparent murder, of Saudi journalist, Jamal Khasoggi has outraged both Democratic and Republican lawmakers, but Trump is absolutely unconcerned.
“I would not be in favor of stopping a country from spending $110 billion — which is an all-time record — and letting Russia have that money and letting China have that money,” Mr. Trump said, referring to an arms deal with the Saudis, brokered last year, that the president has said will lead to new American jobs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-relations-with-saudi-arabia-‘excellent’-while-congress-is-incensed/ar-BBOewcT?ocid=spartandhp
On top of that, the Saudis have bought LOTS of property from Trump over the years. In 1995, for example, the Saudis put up $325 million to take over Trump's Plaza Hotel, which was on shaky ground financially:
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/12/business/trump-is-selling-plaza-hotel-to-saudi-and-asian-investors.html
Trump has made LOTS of money by selling other properties to the Saudis, but has criticized Hillary Clinton for Saudi donations to the Clinton Foundation>
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/exclusive-donald-trump-made-millions-saudi-government-article-1.2777211
In August of 2016, Trump said this at a rally in Alabama: “They are buying apartments and properties from me,” adding, “They spend $40-50 million, I am supposed to hate them? I love them very much.”
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/economy/2016/11/22/Revealed-Trump-s-business-deals-with-Saudi-Arabia.html
There is a reason that our constitution has an emoluments clause, and Trump is Exhibit A.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-emoluments-clause-what-does-it-mean-president-n771081
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2018-10-12 12:15:56 AM
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that guy in AZ Wrote:
.... Trump is absolutely unconcerned.

I shall channel Trump: "Why should I care? The Saudis are my friends; I'm sure they had a good reason to dismember the guy. He probably was a loser and deserved it... WOW did you see that, she got fantastic ass on her. Somebody go get her name. There was no collision. John McCain was loser. Hmm, what were we talking about. Oh yeah, Dr. Ford is a slut."
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that guy in AZ Wrote:
The disappearance, and apparent murder, of Saudi journalist, Jamal Khasoggi has outraged both Democratic and Republican lawmakers, but Trump is absolutely unconcerned.
“I would not be in favor of stopping a country from spending $110 billion — which is an all-time record — and letting Russia have that money and letting China have that money,” Mr. Trump said, referring to an arms deal with the Saudis, brokered last year, that the president has said will lead to new American jobs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-relations-with-saudi-arabia-‘excellent’-while-congress-is-incensed/ar-BBOewcT?ocid=spartandhp
On top of that, the Saudis have bought LOTS of property from Trump over the years. In 1995, for example, the Saudis put up $325 million to take over Trump's Plaza Hotel, which was on shaky ground financially:
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/12/business/trump-is-selling-plaza-hotel-to-saudi-and-asian-investors.html
Trump has made LOTS of money by selling other properties to the Saudis, but has criticized Hillary Clinton for Saudi donations to the Clinton Foundation>
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/exclusive-donald-trump-made-millions-saudi-government-article-1.2777211
In August of 2016, Trump said this at a rally in Alabama: “They are buying apartments and properties from me,” adding, “They spend $40-50 million, I am supposed to hate them? I love them very much.”
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/economy/2016/11/22/Revealed-Trump-s-business-deals-with-Saudi-Arabia.html
There is a reason that our constitution has an emoluments clause, and Trump is Exhibit A.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-emoluments-clause-what-does-it-mean-president-n771081

All the more reason why MSM outfits should be cautious about sending journalists to foreign countries which Trump has pissed off.
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2018-10-12 11:19:16 AM
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Trump may not want to investigate this case, but he is going to forced to do so by the Magnitsky Act. A bipartisan group of the 22 senators in the Foreign Relations Committee signed a letter demanding that Trump investigate the man's death. The link below provides a LOT more detail:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/magnitsky-act-apply-khashoggi-case-181011184312416.html
Khashoggi had spent the last year in the United States in self-imposed exile after fleeing Saudi Arabia amid a crackdown on intellectuals and activists critical of the kingdom. As of today, there is no doubt as to what happened to him, since Turkish officials have audio and video recordings of his death.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi-case-latest-updates-181010133542286.html
Since money talks and bullshit walks, U.S. treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is still planning to attend a Future Investment Initiative conference today in Riyadh.
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Can't question those with mass money. Even when they're guilty as sin.
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TJ Wrote: Can't question those with mass money. Even when they're guilty as sin.
Or president.
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2018-10-13 07:29:23 PM
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Trump's connection to the Khasoggi family is closer than you might think, and it goes back more than 30 years.
In 1980, Adnan Khasoggi, who is Jamal's uncle, spent $100 million (equivalent to today's dollar value of $297 million) to build and outfit a 282 foot yacht. Before it was sold to Trump, it was featured in the James Bond film, "never say never again". In 1987, Trump bought it from the Sultan of Brunei, who had secured it as collateral for a multi-million loan to Khasoggi. Trump bought it for $29 million, renamed it the Trump Princess, and spent $8.5 million upgrading it. When his casinos starting bleeding cash, he sold it. Although one source (probably Trump himself) said that he had sold it to a Japanese buyer for $110 million, the yacht actually was sold in 1991 to Prince Al-Waleed ( a member of the Saudi royal family) for $20 million, AFTER Trump, who was $900 million in debt, ceded the yacht to his creditors. During the time that he owned it, he sailed on it exactly once, on its maiden voyage to the New York harbor. He never slept on it, and only went on board to watch boat races or to entertain customers.
In the late 1980's, Adnan Khasoggi was an internationally known arms dealer. When his nephew came of age, he distanced himself as much as possible from his uncle's shady business dealings, and became a progressive writer for the Washington Post and other publication.
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/11/business/trump-is-reportedly-selling-yacht.html
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that guy in AZ Wrote:
The disappearance, and apparent murder, of Saudi journalist, Jamal Khasoggi has outraged both Democratic and Republican lawmakers, but Trump is absolutely unconcerned.
“I would not be in favor of stopping a country from spending $110 billion — which is an all-time record — and letting Russia have that money and letting China have that money,” Mr. Trump said, referring to an arms deal with the Saudis, brokered last year, that the president has said will lead to new American jobs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-relations-with-saudi-arabia-‘excellent’-while-congress-is-incensed/ar-BBOewcT?ocid=spartandhp
On top of that, the Saudis have bought LOTS of property from Trump over the years. In 1995, for example, the Saudis put up $325 million to take over Trump's Plaza Hotel, which was on shaky ground financially:
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/12/business/trump-is-selling-plaza-hotel-to-saudi-and-asian-investors.html
Trump has made LOTS of money by selling other properties to the Saudis, but has criticized Hillary Clinton for Saudi donations to the Clinton Foundation>
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/exclusive-donald-trump-made-millions-saudi-government-article-1.2777211
In August of 2016, Trump said this at a rally in Alabama: “They are buying apartments and properties from me,” adding, “They spend $40-50 million, I am supposed to hate them? I love them very much.”
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/economy/2016/11/22/Revealed-Trump-s-business-deals-with-Saudi-Arabia.html
There is a reason that our constitution has an emoluments clause, and Trump is Exhibit A.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-emoluments-clause-what-does-it-mean-president-n771081

Ok let's say everything you said was true and he's just gives the Saudis whatever they want.... Is real cool with them from past business ventures. In bed with them like the Russians. How does this help going forward. Trump having a shady history is something that makes absolutely no difference. Even if he's impeached tomorrow the problem isn't solved. How do we get people to hear a more moderate message? Who can Democrats rely on to lead the party into the future that's not too far left. Example Kamala Harris, Corey Booker. Who can beat Trump if he's not impeached?
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Reporter: "Mr. President. There is mounting evidence that links the torture and murder directly Saudi Royal Family. Do have any comments?"
Trump: "What Evidence, there is no evidence. Its all fake. The guy is probably laying on a beach somewhere with two blonds bombshells"
Reporter: "They have audio and video tape"
Trump: "Well, it could be fake or maybe a joke. Can't trust audio or video. So it proves nothing"
Reporter: " They found his hands and feet"
Trump: "Maybe he cut it off himself to frame the royal family. Besides, that doesn't mean he is dead. He still could be alive"
Reporter: "Do you beleive he is dead or live?"
Trump: "He could be dead or he could be alive. Nobody really knows. Proves nothing. Let me ask you this. Where is the body and where are the eye witnesses? Where is the chainsaw used to cut the body up? Where is the electric chair used to shock him? Where is the head that they chopped off?"
Reporter: "Well...."
Trump: "See even you can't answer the questions. So why is everybody assuming he dead, when there are so many things are are suggesting he is still alive. Just today, I saw some guy that looked like him on Fox news. How could he be dead and be on Fox news at the same time?"
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Furioso65 Wrote:
that guy in AZ Wrote:
The disappearance, and apparent murder, of Saudi journalist, Jamal Khasoggi has outraged both Democratic and Republican lawmakers, but Trump is absolutely unconcerned.
“I would not be in favor of stopping a country from spending $110 billion — which is an all-time record — and letting Russia have that money and letting China have that money,” Mr. Trump said, referring to an arms deal with the Saudis, brokered last year, that the president has said will lead to new American jobs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-relations-with-saudi-arabia-‘excellent’-while-congress-is-incensed/ar-BBOewcT?ocid=spartandhp
On top of that, the Saudis have bought LOTS of property from Trump over the years. In 1995, for example, the Saudis put up $325 million to take over Trump's Plaza Hotel, which was on shaky ground financially:
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/12/business/trump-is-selling-plaza-hotel-to-saudi-and-asian-investors.html
Trump has made LOTS of money by selling other properties to the Saudis, but has criticized Hillary Clinton for Saudi donations to the Clinton Foundation>
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/exclusive-donald-trump-made-millions-saudi-government-article-1.2777211
In August of 2016, Trump said this at a rally in Alabama: “They are buying apartments and properties from me,” adding, “They spend $40-50 million, I am supposed to hate them? I love them very much.”
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/economy/2016/11/22/Revealed-Trump-s-business-deals-with-Saudi-Arabia.html
There is a reason that our constitution has an emoluments clause, and Trump is Exhibit A.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-emoluments-clause-what-does-it-mean-president-n771081

Ok let's say everything you said was true and he's just gives the Saudis whatever they want.... Is real cool with them from past business ventures. In bed with them like the Russians. How does this help going forward. Trump having a shady history is something that makes absolutely no difference. Even if he's impeached tomorrow the problem isn't solved. How do we get people to hear a more moderate message? Who can Democrats rely on to lead the party into the future that's not too far left. Example Kamala Harris, Corey Booker. Who can beat Trump if he's not impeached?
Furioso65 said:
"How do we get people to hear a more moderate message?"
You had 40 years of moderate messaging and compromise. What we got is 40 years of stagnant wages, incredibly wide income gap, a stock market that spends 200 billion dollars a day without a matching GDP, working poor with health insurance they are forced to pay for that they can't afford to use. Yes , moderation has served but it doesn't serve equally.
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Saudi law: "According to the law, there is neither presumption of innocence nor trial by jury"
Trump throws around innocent until proven guilty but Saudi law presumes guilt. Anofher confusion to Trump is the presumption of innocence is really "for the sake of argument " consider the accused innocent.
Although proclaimed otherwise Saudi royalty get special consideration.
Are members of the royal family above the law in Saudi Arabia? - Quora
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Dec 13, 2017 · Technically, no, but, in practice, yes. Technically, all laws are based on Sharia and the Quran, and no one is above these laws ( since ...
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So basically, Trump is indebted to the Saudis as well as the Russians. We must wonder what kind of dirt they have on him?
First the Saudis deny everything about the WAPO journalists death, now they're saying they know something, and Trump is defending them like he defends Russia. How about another charge on the list for impeachment? Like unAmerican activities?
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"The Trump administration and the Saudi royal family are searching for a mutually agreeable explanation for the death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi — one that will avoid implicating Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who is among the president’s closest foreign allies, according to analysts and officials in multiple countries."
What in the hell is a "Mutually agreeable explanation" for someone that was murdered?
I shall take a shot at it:
Trump: "I don't care what story you come up with as long as I look good. Maybe say something like he committed suicide and tried to make it look like he was tortured for hours. Blame the victim, it works for me. As long as I look good, I can sell it to my base, they are such morons that will believe anything I tell them"
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It seems like Jamal Khasoggi is in the news every day, but his case illustrates the perils of EVERY journalist living in Saudi Arabia. In 2014, Saudi blogger Raif Badawi was sentenced to 1000 lashes and 10 years in prison for his texts criticizing Islam. Badawi's wife, Ensaf Haidar who fled Saudi Arabia with her three children after her husband's arrest and now lives in Canada. She recently took part in the the Raif Badawi award ceremony at the Frankfurt Book Fair on October 10.
https://www.dw.com/en/arab-reporters-for-investigative-journalism-win-raif-badawi-award/a-45832157
The Freidrich-Newman Foundation for Freedom created the Raid Badawi award in 2015 to recognize courage in reporting.
Badawi's case is not isolated in Saudi Arabia. The organization Reporters Without Borders (RSF) said in a statement on Wednesday that since September last year, more than 15 journalists and bloggers have been arrested in Saudi Arabia. In most cases, their arrests have never been officially confirmed, and no official has ever said where they are being held or what they are charged with.
Another well known journalist received an award in Phoenix yesterday for his his "excellence in reporting". His story can be found at the link below. By the way, he works for a "fake news" organization more commonly known as CNN:
https://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-most-trusted-man-in-america-part-3_18.html
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In this morning's New York Times, a Saudi Arabian historian named Madawi al-Rasheed floated the possibility that King Salman could replace his son MBS with a more moderate figure. Although that may seem unlikely, it has actually happened several times before in the county's history.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/opinion/saudi-arabia-jamal-khashoggi-crown-prince-murder-king-salman-must-replace-mbs-stability.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
In view of the fact that the kingdom is awash in cash, it may surprise you to learn that it was nearly bankrupt in the 1960's, which led to King Saud being replaced by Prince Faisal. It may also surprise you to learn that Saudi Arabia is actually older than the United States, since it was formed in 1744.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Saudi_Arabia

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