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Remembering 9/11

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  • Independent
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    Sure today there was the "hoepla" about 9/11; speeches galore. At least someone said that since 9/11 we spent "one and and an half" trillion dollars on our wars. Also there is more to come because nothing has been solved, take Iran, Yemen, Syria, N.Korea as well other places the US is poking their noses in , like Somalia and Trump even wants to invade Venezuela.

    No the world has not been an peaceful place since; neither it will be in the future considering the present mentality and racists attitude in our government.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The hypocrisy is that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Another two from the United Arab Emerites, one from Egypt and one from Lebonon. None of these countries, however, made Trump's "Muslim ban list".

    In fact, Saudi Arabia was the first country Trump chose to visit in his presidency. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the Saudi's also loaned Trump big money...bailing him out of bankruptcy. Oh and those billions of dollars worth of war toys that we sell them means we turn a blind eye to the fact that Americans lost their lives to Saudi terrorists on 9/11.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The hypocrisy is that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Another two from the United Arab Emerites, one from Egypt and one from Lebonon. None of these countries, however, made Trump's "Muslim ban list".

    In fact, Saudi Arabia was the first country Trump chose to visit in his presidency. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the Saudi's also loaned Trump big money...bailing him out of bankruptcy. Oh and those billions of dollars worth of war toys that we sell them means we turn a blind eye to the fact that Americans lost their lives to Saudi terrorists on 9/11.

    Printed almost boasting that the 2022 world cup will cost 4000 lives to build.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The US fights around the world and for what? Human rights: "During the summer of 2013, Nepalese workers died at a rate of almost one a day in Qatar, many of them young men who had sudden heart attacks."
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump's fake bleeding heart for the deceased. He cares about nobody but himself.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The hypocrisy is that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Another two from the United Arab Emerites, one from Egypt and one from Lebonon. None of these countries, however, made Trump's "Muslim ban list".

    In fact, Saudi Arabia was the first country Trump chose to visit in his presidency. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the Saudi's also loaned Trump big money...bailing him out of bankruptcy. Oh and those billions of dollars worth of war toys that we sell them means we turn a blind eye to the fact that Americans lost their lives to Saudi terrorists on 9/11.

    Yes, absolutely correct; but people here love to stick their heads in the sand about this. 9/11 did not happen for nothing; it was an "message" that the US should stop trying "running" the world to the US "model". But the message did not work.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    So, where were you and what were you doing at the time the jetliners crashed the towers, the pentagon and went down in Pennsylvania? I'm not addressing the OP in this post, I'm wondering what other people were doing and how they reacted.

    For quite a few years, I was driving expedited cargo across the USA. On 9/11, it happened to be the beginning of my wife's two days off. We were out of bed by 6 a.m. and I asked her if she wanted to go on a run with me, and she agreed.

    I got a call from the dispatcher of the company I was leased to, she told me she had a pick up in Milwaukee, containers of casting parts going to a machine shop in Flint, Michigan at 10 a.m. or a little after. My wife and I packed our cooler with Pepsi, some ice and some sandwiches. We left our dog in care of our houseguest. We drove north on I-94 towards Milwaukee and decided to go to a truck stop for breakfast. We went into the truck stop and they had the television on Fox 6 of Milwaukee. We stopped just before seating ourselves and saw what was one of the twin towers on fire. A minute or two passed and we watched as a second plane hit the other tower. We didn't know what to think.

    After we had breakfast, we hit the road going to our pick up point. All the workers at the casting shop were oblivious to what was going on. I mentioned it to a dock worker and he was shocked about what I told him. We were loaded up and left for the destination. Going through Indiana, I decided to get fuel because the prices of fuel at the time were considered to be the lowest in Chicagoland. When I exited, we saw cars, trucks lined up about two blocks long trying to buy fuel. My van was a diesel. I saw that the price of diesel fuel was $4.98 a gallon, gasoline was even higher. I got back on the interstate and left there en route to Flint. Along the way, reading the fuel prices on billboards, it was easy to see that fuel merchants were clearly gouging the public. We made it to Battle Creek and finally filled up, about $3.59 a gallon. Along the way, we were listening to the radio to try to stay informed about what was happening. This guy named mancow was sensationalizing the attacks saying that these events could be the beginning of WWIII. I became pissed off and changed the station.

    So, we made our delivery in Flint, and went back home empty. In the evening we watched NBC news all night long.

    The following days were horrible for businesses everywhere. My cargo van and I sat idle for over a week before I received any dispatches. The following months nearly devastated my operation as an owner/operator. My bills went unpaid for quite some time. And it wasn't just me either, many businesses suffered too. The economy sucked.

    There are certain events that leave indelible reminders or marks in one's mind, the assassination of JFK left one of those marks in my mind I would never forget, the day of 9/11 is one of those now.

    At first, I didn't really understand why all of the attacks of 9/11 happened, but after researching reports, and listening to news reports, it became clear to me as one other member stated that 9/11 was a warning, which, has gone unheeded. The US meddling in other countries affairs have gotten us 17 years into a war we probably will never win, the war on terror.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dockadams Wrote:

    So, where were you and what were you doing at the time the jetliners crashed the towers, the pentagon and went down in Pennsylvania? I'm not addressing the OP in this post, I'm wondering what other people were doing and how they reacted.

    For quite a few years, I was driving expedited cargo across the USA. On 9/11, it happened to be the beginning of my wife's two days off. We were out of bed by 6 a.m. and I asked her if she wanted to go on a run with me, and she agreed.

    I got a call from the dispatcher of the company I was leased to, she told me she had a pick up in Milwaukee, containers of casting parts going to a machine shop in Flint, Michigan at 10 a.m. or a little after. My wife and I packed our cooler with Pepsi, some ice and some sandwiches. We left our dog in care of our houseguest. We drove north on I-94 towards Milwaukee and decided to go to a truck stop for breakfast. We went into the truck stop and they had the television on Fox 6 of Milwaukee. We stopped just before seating ourselves and saw what was one of the twin towers on fire. A minute or two passed and we watched as a second plane hit the other tower. We didn't know what to think.

    After we had breakfast, we hit the road going to our pick up point. All the workers at the casting shop were oblivious to what was going on. I mentioned it to a dock worker and he was shocked about what I told him. We were loaded up and left for the destination. Going through Indiana, I decided to get fuel because the prices of fuel at the time were considered to be the lowest in Chicagoland. When I exited, we saw cars, trucks lined up about two blocks long trying to buy fuel. My van was a diesel. I saw that the price of diesel fuel was $4.98 a gallon, gasoline was even higher. I got back on the interstate and left there en route to Flint. Along the way, reading the fuel prices on billboards, it was easy to see that fuel merchants were clearly gouging the public. We made it to Battle Creek and finally filled up, about $3.59 a gallon. Along the way, we were listening to the radio to try to stay informed about what was happening. This guy named mancow was sensationalizing the attacks saying that these events could be the beginning of WWIII. I became pissed off and changed the station.

    So, we made our delivery in Flint, and went back home empty. In the evening we watched NBC news all night long.

    The following days were horrible for businesses everywhere. My cargo van and I sat idle for over a week before I received any dispatches. The following months nearly devastated my operation as an owner/operator. My bills went unpaid for quite some time. And it wasn't just me either, many businesses suffered too. The economy sucked.

    There are certain events that leave indelible reminders or marks in one's mind, the assassination of JFK left one of those marks in my mind I would never forget, the day of 9/11 is one of those now.

    At first, I didn't really understand why all of the attacks of 9/11 happened, but after researching reports, and listening to news reports, it became clear to me as one other member stated that 9/11 was a warning, which, has gone unheeded. The US meddling in other countries affairs have gotten us 17 years into a war we probably will never win, the war on terror.

    I was watching GMA and the first plane hitting the tower was reported. It was reported as an accident. The news shifted to the buildings and I watched the 2nd plane fly into the other tower. I stayed home and watched tv the rest of the day. I saw a black bulge appear on the side of one tower. I told my wife something was wrong. I had no idea the buildings would collapse. Then I watched it collapse. The whole event was such an unbelievable tradgedy I was absorbed about the people trapped and dying that I wasn't thinking about who was responsible or ramifications. It didn't dawn on me that the collapse might have been planned.
  • Independent
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    Chet, the collapse was not planned but boiled down to stupidity. The way these buildings were built caused the collapse. The floors were supported only with a few "bolts". These were likely not high quality bolts who could have stand the additional weight of the crashed aircraft as well the heat of the fire. It was an design error. So all the floors collapsed because of floor falling upon floor. Thus again an design shortcut to save money caused all of this. Building it fast and cheap, as just about everything in this country.
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    Dutch Wrote: Chet, the collapse was not planned but boiled down to stupidity. The way these buildings were built caused the collapse. The floors were supported only with a few "bolts". These were likely not high quality bolts who could have stand the additional weight of the crashed aircraft as well the heat of the fire. It was an design error. So all the floors collapsed because of floor falling upon floor. Thus again an design shortcut to save money caused all of this. Building it fast and cheap, as just about everything in this country.
    Also contributing was the exoskeleton design in lieu of steel girder core. Turns out at the bulge I noticed was the actual structural walls collapsing from the heat. That same failing design probably saved he building from the bomb. The bomb damaged the non structural core where structural load bearing girders would have been.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Chet, the collapse was not planned but boiled down to stupidity. The way these buildings were built caused the collapse. The floors were supported only with a few "bolts". These were likely not high quality bolts who could have stand the additional weight of the crashed aircraft as well the heat of the fire. It was an design error. So all the floors collapsed because of floor falling upon floor. Thus again an design shortcut to save money caused all of this. Building it fast and cheap, as just about everything in this country.
    Also contributing was the exoskeleton design in lieu of steel girder core. Turns out at the bulge I noticed was the actual structural walls collapsing from the heat. That same failing design probably saved he building from the bomb. The bomb damaged the non structural core where structural load bearing girders would have been.
    "bomb"? I guess it was just an plane full with fuel.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Chet, the collapse was not planned but boiled down to stupidity. The way these buildings were built caused the collapse. The floors were supported only with a few "bolts". These were likely not high quality bolts who could have stand the additional weight of the crashed aircraft as well the heat of the fire. It was an design error. So all the floors collapsed because of floor falling upon floor. Thus again an design shortcut to save money caused all of this. Building it fast and cheap, as just about everything in this country.
    Also contributing was the exoskeleton design in lieu of steel girder core. Turns out at the bulge I noticed was the actual structural walls collapsing from the heat. That same failing design probably saved he building from the bomb. The bomb damaged the non structural core where structural load bearing girders would have been.
    "bomb"? I guess it was just an plane full with fuel.

    Dutch, You failed your history. When the WTC was bombed in 1993 the area looked like a big hollow room. The building should have collapsed. I researched that and learned about the exoskeleton constuction. The walls of the trade center are the load bearing members. The WTC did not have traditional steel beam construction.

    "1993 World Trade Center bombing

    Terrorist bombing

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    The 1993 World Trade Center bombing was a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, carried out on February 26, 1993, when a truck bomb detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City. Wikipedia

    Date: February 26, 1993, 11:18"

  • Independent
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    Chet; I think the subject was 9/11 ; You wrote it like there was an "bomb" on board. So next time write: "also there was an bombing in 1993 in these towers, which I like to mention"
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Chet; I think the subject was 9/11 ; You wrote it like there was an "bomb" on board. So next time write: "also there was an bombing in 1993 in these towers, which I like to mention"
    Sorry Dutch, The truck bomb in 1993 was a big deal and I thought you had working knowledge about the exoskeleton and that the floors were not bolted but hung from "clips".