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An "honest " President?

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  • Dutch
    2018-09-11 09:30:18 AM
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    The "polls" showed that 32% of the people here thinks Trump is honest. Wow. Where did they take this poll? In an "mental hospital"? What is the matter with this country? Do the 32% not watch any news or are able to read or are totally nuts?

    No wonder this country is going down the drain!!
  • Schmidt
    2018-09-11 03:18:17 PM
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    Look at it from the opposite view...the 68 percent that do not believe Trump is honest. Or maybe there are some no opinions in that category, but we only need to worry if Trump's approvals and support rise above 50 percent. That will never happen.

    I'm looking at our politics from Cape Town, drinking fine wine again. It clears the mind.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-09-11 03:54:15 PM
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    Dutch Wrote:

    The "polls" showed that 32% of the people here thinks Trump is honest. Wow. Where did they take this poll? In an "mental hospital"? What is the matter with this country? Do the 32% not watch any news or are able to read or are totally nuts?

    No wonder this country is going down the drain!!

    32% can always be found to believe anything in the USA.
  • Dockadams
    2018-09-11 09:21:47 PM
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    68% need to get out and vote for democrats.
  • TJ
    2018-09-11 09:34:24 PM
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    At the very least 65%.

    Election in November. You can make things better. That public service announcement should be heard frequently.

  • wwjd
    2018-09-11 10:34:31 PM
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    Dutch Wrote:

    The "polls" showed that 32% of the people here thinks Trump is honest. Wow. Where did they take this poll? In an "mental hospital"? What is the matter with this country? Do the 32% not watch any news or are able to read or are totally nuts?

    No wonder this country is going down the drain!!

    In all countries you will find a minority of the population are blind followers that are drawn to a domineering leader. Trump's personality and skillful lying is addictive to people who are attracted to authoritarian leadership. The more trump lies to his base (think of it as a cult), the more they bond with him.

    This same demographic also has a "Glass half empty" perspective on life. Give them $1 million, and they will see it as not getting $2 million. That is exactly how trump presents things to them. Listen to how trump talks, aside from what he says about himself, everything trump communicates to his base is all about things they don't have, or things that have been taken away from them and given to someone else (ie minorities, other countries, etc). He comminicates to them is that he, and only he alone, can get them everything they want, and even more than they ever could dream of having. What he is doing is akin to giving alcohol to chronic alcoholics. It is the worse thing he could do to help them. What it does do is make them more addictive to their worst weakness and dependent on him. He gets more powerful as they get weaker and more dependent.
  • lonely bird
    2018-09-11 10:38:53 PM
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    wwjd Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:

    The "polls" showed that 32% of the people here thinks Trump is honest. Wow. Where did they take this poll? In an "mental hospital"? What is the matter with this country? Do the 32% not watch any news or are able to read or are totally nuts?

    No wonder this country is going down the drain!!

    In all countries you will find a minority of the population are blind followers and feel comfortable with dominating leadership. trump's personality and skillful lying is addictive to people who are attracted to authoritarian leadership. The more he lying to his base, the more they bond with trump. This same demographic also have a "Glass half empty" perspective on life. Give them $1 million, and they will see it as not getting $2 million. That is exactly what trump presents things to them. Listen to how trump talks, aside from what he says about himself, everything trump communicates to his base is all about things they don't have, or things that have been taken away from them and given to someone else (ie minorities, other countries, etc).... What he is doing is akin to giving alcohol to chronic alcoholics. It the worse thing he could do to help them. What it does do is make them more addictive to their worst weakness and dependent on him.

    They think that they can have as much money as Trump claims to have if fill-in-the-blank minority group wasn’t getting special treatment.

    This country has gone full blown tribal. Out of one, many.
  • Schmidt
    2018-09-12 01:11:35 AM
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    Yes there are in all countries a segment of the population that is predisposed genetically to blindly follow a dictatorial leader. That number for the USA is perhaps around 25 percent according to Dr. Robert Altemeyer. But Trump's base is more than that...the religious right, the tribal Republicans, the gun nuts, and yes the so called "deplorables" who are losers in life and see know other way out than to cast their lot with a demagogue.

    If the 2020 election were held today it would not surprise me if Trump got at least 45 percent of the vote.
  • lonely bird
    2018-09-12 07:58:15 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes there are in all countries a segment of the population that is predisposed genetically to blindly follow a dictatorial leader. That number for the USA is perhaps around 25 percent according to Dr. Robert Altemeyer. But Trump's base is more than that...the religious right, the tribal Republicans, the gun nuts, and yes the so called "deplorables" who are losers in life and see know other way out than to cast their lot with a demagogue.

    If the 2020 election were held today it would not surprise me if Trump got at least 45 percent of the vote.

    I would add that those who supported and continue to support Trump from the economic/loss of privilege perspective are exhibiting what to them is reality. Their world is shifting. That racism and/or fear of loss is at the heart of it does not mean that it is not real TO THEM. Tribal narratives in the U.S. are reaching a crescendo. That is every bit as dangerous as the racism that still pervades much of the country.
  • Dutch
    2018-09-12 08:51:45 AM
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    I absolutely don't understand that the 32% thinks he's honest; either they are blind deaf or have sawdust for brains. So if he says "black" is "red" then they believe him? An real banana republic; no wonder we get an idiot for President, because no one seems to think here. Neither is the 32% capable of "reading" I did read the "second amendment" it does not say anywhere that "civilians" can own AR 15's or Ak 47's or have huge clips of bullets, let alone bumpstocks. Neither the lawyers can read in this country.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-09-12 09:23:11 AM
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    Dutch Wrote: I absolutely don't understand that the 32% thinks he's honest; either they are blind deaf or have sawdust for brains. So if he says "black" is "red" then they believe him? An real banana republic; no wonder we get an idiot for President, because no one seems to think here. Neither is the 32% capable of "reading" I did read the "second amendment" it does not say anywhere that "civilians" can own AR 15's or Ak 47's or have huge clips of bullets, let alone bumpstocks. Neither the lawyers can read in this country.
    Says something like a well armed militia. Look at our armed forces. They absolutely never have guns except under extremely regulated conditions and having ammunition is even more rare and they never have self discretion to shoot
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