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Was Trump chosen by God?

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    This is an unusual bit of news, but it shows the danger that American missionaries can come under. American, John Allen Chau seemed to know that what he was about to do was extremely dangerous as he set out on a kayak with Bible in hand to a remote Indian island in the Andaman Sea. The island is one of the most sealed-off parts of India, inhabited by a small, enigmatic and highly isolated tribe whose members have killed outsiders for simply stepping on their shore. Fishermen warned him not to go. But he set forth anyway and upon landing on the beach was immediately killed with bow and arrows shot by the tribe.

    As per the New York Times article, Chau who is about 26 or 27 was believed to have been "trying to convert the islanders to Christianity. Right before he left in his kayak, Mr. Chau gave the fishermen a long note in case he did not come back. In it, police officials said, he had written that Jesus had bestowed him with the strength to go to the most forbidden places on Earth."

    I share the story as just another example of how certain Christians have become so immersed in their religious beliefs that they feel they are doing God's work and are infallible. But Chau is not alone as many on this thread have already noted. As per this article by Amy Sullivan in Politico,

    Millions of Americans Believe God Made Trump President

    “Millions of Americans,” declared Jeffress at a July 2017 event his First Baptist Church of Dallas sponsored in Washington, D.C., “believe the election of President Trump represented God giving us another chance—perhaps our last chance to truly make America great again.”

    Amen.

    Therefore, I strongly believe that in FL, Scott and DeSantis were elected by the "evangelicals" I've never seen so many churches in my life as in FL. They don't care if Scott ripped off people here for 138 million or that DeSantis loves Trump and Scott, because Scott will tell him how to get also rich here from the polluters around lake Ochechobee. Sick to the bone indeed.
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    NiDutch Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    This is an unusual bit of news, but it shows the danger that American missionaries can come under. American, John Allen Chau seemed to know that what he was about to do was extremely dangerous as he set out on a kayak with Bible in hand to a remote Indian island in the Andaman Sea. The island is one of the most sealed-off parts of India, inhabited by a small, enigmatic and highly isolated tribe whose members have killed outsiders for simply stepping on their shore. Fishermen warned him not to go. But he set forth anyway and upon landing on the beach was immediately killed with bow and arrows shot by the tribe.

    As per the New York Times article, Chau who is about 26 or 27 was believed to have been "trying to convert the islanders to Christianity. Right before he left in his kayak, Mr. Chau gave the fishermen a long note in case he did not come back. In it, police officials said, he had written that Jesus had bestowed him with the strength to go to the most forbidden places on Earth."

    I share the story as just another example of how certain Christians have become so immersed in their religious beliefs that they feel they are doing God's work and are infallible. But Chau is not alone as many on this thread have already noted. As per this article by Amy Sullivan in Politico,

    Millions of Americans Believe God Made Trump President

    “Millions of Americans,” declared Jeffress at a July 2017 event his First Baptist Church of Dallas sponsored in Washington, D.C., “believe the election of President Trump represented God giving us another chance—perhaps our last chance to truly make America great again.”

    Amen.

    Therefore, I strongly believe that in FL, Scott and DeSantis were elected by the "evangelicals" I've never seen so many churches in my life as in FL. They don't care if Scott ripped off people here for 138 million or that DeSantis loves Trump and Scott, because Scott will tell him how to get also rich here from the polluters around lake Ochechobee. Sick to the bone indeed.
    Dutch, If Democratics don't rally around the base and formulate a plan for that base it is going to be a disappointing 2020. Anybody want to explain how well privatization of lower class retirement dreams is being gambled away???
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Therefore, I strongly believe that in FL, Scott and DeSantis were elected by the "evangelicals" I've never seen so many churches in my life as in FL. They don't care if Scott ripped off people here for 138 million or that DeSantis loves Trump and Scott, because Scott will tell him how to get also rich here from the polluters around lake Ochechobee. Sick to the bone indeed.

    Dutch -- Yes I agree. There seems to be a strong connection between the authoritarian followers of Trump and authoritarian followers of religious leaders, most notably the evangelicals. I referenced the psychologist, Dr. Robert Altemeyer several times in this website. He has a more recent article at his website, Why Do Trump Supporters Stand by Him, No Matter What?

    I think you'll agree that it fits Trump's followers accurately.

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    Chet and Schmidt, yes indeed these people are loosing their pensions if they look at their 401k's. Furthermore the polluters in this State got it their way and can keep polluting as much as they want.

    Getting back to my "forever opinion"; yes the cause is the "system" here; EVERYTHING is related to "money"; not for an clean environment, nor decent "laws"; they love corrupt elections, corrupt leaders, prefer no healthcare or social services, rather use that money for themselves or a stupid "wall" etc. etc. As well still believe all of this is "god's will" Wow.

    As long as the system stays as it is , then this banana republic is doomed just like any other banana republic.

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    Dutch,

    What you are describing is the financialization of life. Indeed, in the minds of the Von Hayekians EVERYTHING is decided by the so-called market and therefore by prices which is the only signal that the market can give. All decisions are based upon buying the best value. Yet because humans are social animals such a system is inherently unstable, equality destroying and destructive to human social interaction.

    The ultimate goal of the Von Hayekians is everyone competes against everyone else by their "brand" in a worldwide labor/transaction pool. They forget to mention that said system is being imposed with an existing inequality in place as well as rules and political apparatus distorted to favor wealth. THE MANY WILL NEVER BE PART OF THE FEW. As for religion as Marx noted it is the opiate of the masses. Not because of some cries of atheistic communism but because religion offers those being crushed an emotional outlet so that they can return to the arena with the belief that they can survive and advance when "the odds are never in their favor."

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    Lonely, "doomed" for me has the meaning that our present "system" is not sustainable, which does not mean the total the extinction of "mankind". It will only mean, just as happened to Rome and Napoleon, that countries with the wrong way of governing will "rise" but also will "fall". Since our "system" is in in total "chaos" at present and nothing is "uniform" or well "regulated" as well the "laws" are outdated (with huge loopholes in it) and way behind the present times times and only a "zillion" lawyers "think" they can fix it; then you are asking for a "downfall". Effects of "capitalism", creating "greed" will only hasten the downfall. Using "Case laws" as a solution creates more "lawyers" but not a solution.

    Trump has created the "me", "me" only culture; the Romanov's and Stalin did the same, but did not last either.

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    We've kind of beaten this subject to death, but the Washington Post has an opinion article on the evangical support for Trump.

    Washington Post, January 4, 2019: Evangelicals’ infallible new faith: The gospel of Trump

    As the title of the article suggests, the evangelicals have developed an "infallible support for Trump". Nothing that members on this website didn't know already, but on New Year’s Day, "Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. defended his unwavering support of President Trump with a thoroughly confused reading of the Gospel".

    "Speaking to The Post, the evangelical leader claimed that it was a distortion of Christ’s teachings to suggest that because He taught love and forgiveness, “the United States as a nation should be loving and forgiving.” According to Falwell’s creative theology, Christ “went out of his way to say that’s the earthly kingdom, I’m about the heavenly kingdom,” and loving your neighbor as yourself only applies to the latter."

    "The man whose institutional mission includes being “a voice for the voiceless” then meditated on the uselessness of the poor — “A poor person never gave anyone a job. A poor person never gave anybody charity, not of any real volume. It’s just common sense to me.” He then suggested that it might be immoral for Christians not to support Trump."

    Falwell went on to say that there was nothing that Trump could do to endanger his support from evangelical leaders. The Post concludes:

    "That’s what you call faith. But it’s definitely not Christian."

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    Trump wasn't chosen by God, he was chosen by idiots who are hard right wing bible thumpers.
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    Dockadams Wrote: Trump wasn't chosen by God, he was chosen by idiots who are hard right wing bible thumpers.
    Trump was chosen by ignorance. That same ignorance is easily led to believe that billionaires with gold plated apartments and huge personal jets are somewhat favored by and have a direct line of communications with their god. "I can relate" deserves a special place in hell.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote: Trump wasn't chosen by God, he was chosen by idiots who are hard right wing bible thumpers.
    Trump was chosen by ignorance. That same ignorance is easily led to believe that billionaires with gold plated apartments and huge personal jets are somewhat favored by and have a direct line of communications with their god. "I can relate" deserves a special place in hell.
    I guess these people forget that "death" is irreversible and they can't take their "money" nor "gold plated' goodies with them. After "death" money means nothing, except for the "pass on" to who inherits it and may be the tax man. Trump will also die eventually and turn to dust; may be someone can make his ashes part of the "wall"
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    The ignorance of a segment of the Trump voters certainly paid a part in his election. But for the corporatists and the religious right (e.g. evangelicals) it was less about ignorance and more about how Trump has aligned his views with them to support their selfish causes in return for their votes.

    Trump has been delivering for the corporatists big time with his corporate tax cuts. And for the religious right he has delivered two Supreme Court justices hand picked by the Federalist Society whose interpretation in practice of religious freedom is often contrary to the notion of the separation of church and state.

    Federalist Society: Religion and the Republic

    Those are just two examples of where Trump's support is not just defined by ignorance, but rather selfish ends to wealth and power. One could also perhaps put many in the military establishment in that category of self interest over the country's interest.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The ignorance of a segment of the Trump voters certainly paid a part in his election. But for the corporatists and the religious right (e.g. evangelicals) it was less about ignorance and more about how Trump has aligned his views with them to support their selfish causes in return for their votes.

    Trump has been delivering for the corporatists big time with his corporate tax cuts. And for the religious right he has delivered two Supreme Court justices hand picked by the Federalist Society whose interpretation in practice of religious freedom is often contrary to the notion of the separation of church and state.

    Federalist Society: Religion and the Republic

    Those are just two examples of where Trump's support is not just defined by ignorance, but rather selfish ends to wealth and power. One could also perhaps put many in the military establishment in that category of self interest over the country's interest.

    Like I've said before, he "profits" from the wall; the total cost may be well over a 100 billion; so very lucrative for him and the builders, just like his Trump buildings. May be he should have the government built also some more gold plated churches; it worked in the 1500's . If there would be a "god" thing, then Trump better moves to Mars and built there an huge golden temple for the one eyed green monster who may liveWink there.
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    Schmidt said:

    "it was less about ignorance and more about how Trump has aligned his views with them to support their selfish causes in return for their votes."

    Trump: "

    No Minimum Wage Increases Anywhere, Says Trump Advisor - Corporate Tax ...

    Forbes


    trump said

    Nov 1, 2018 · In fact, if he had his way, no minimum wage levels at all, whether federal, state, ... I have friends and acquaintances who own small businesses out here"

    Trump is big business dream come true.

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    Tara Isabella Burton, Vox, March 5, 2018: The biblical story the Christian right uses to defend Trump

    While we can read articles by psychologists on why the Trump supporters so avidly support Trump, the analyses largely focus on the American psyche while ignoring the avid support for him by the religious community. We have discussed that connection before in this website, but I thought Isabella Burton's article in Vox provides much more insight. It is much more than just the issues of abortion and gay rights.

    Those of us in this website can cynically dismiss the religious right, but for them Trump is a savior of sorts. For many evangelicals, Trump is a "modern day Cyrus, an ancient Persian king chosen by God to navigate in chaos."

    With the looming threats of Russia, China and Iran, "America is going to have a challenge...with Trump we have a Cyrus to navigate through the storm".

    The Cyrus connection comes up again and again in the evangelical world as Burton highlights. You can read the full article in Vox at the above link, and I share it so that we can seek to understand the sincere minds of these particular Trump faithful rather than just dismiss their wacky ideas outright. They vote I huge numbers...and they are Americans.

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    Scary; don't forget this Cyrus type was also only an "human" who died long ago; no "god" was involved. There are no "god's" on this earth nor in "space". Unless you met some one eyed green little men in the supermarket. This clump of dirt is self contained; nothing leaves it, nothing enters it, except "human" made rockets or satellites and meteorites.

    Humans have promoted lots of other "humans" to "god's" while they also needed oxygen and food and also all of them died as anyone else. Don't forget, putting people on pedestals serves a certain purpose, i.e. "power" over the people or groups of indoctrinated people; animals do the same. Right now we have an"animal kingdom" leader who leads us down the river and we all will drown. Amen