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Was Trump chosen by God?

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    America's finest news source just confirmed that Mike Pence recently had a vision that he was going to be the next president of the United States. Although it IS possible that it could happen, not everything that you read in The Onion is actually true.

    https://politics.theonion.com/mike-pence-struggling-to-reckon-with-vision-of-prophet-1829058208

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The onion is the safest and best way to expose dangers.
  • Independent
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    Which ever way, even if Trump gets impeached or resigns, that may take a while before that happens. In the meantime we are closer to the 2020 elections, which means if he is allowed to take over, then he can be our "holy" (hypocrite) President for a few days. I don't believe he will be elected in 2020.
  • Brooks, AB
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    Dutch Wrote: Which ever way, even if Trump gets impeached or resigns, that may take a while before that happens. In the meantime we are closer to the 2020 elections, which means if he is allowed to take over, then he can be our "holy" (hypocrite) President for a few days. I don't believe he will be elected in 2020.

    It all depends on who the D's select as their presidential candidate. They probably believe that they have already won that election, so there is strong likelihood they will find someone better suited for the party establishment than the average American.

    With 30% of Americans solidly behind Mr. Trump, that is more than enough to win in 2020--for a country where 50% of citizens do not vote.

    I think I'll spend my time working on system that won't elect Mr. Trump in the first place.

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    Dave Volek Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Which ever way, even if Trump gets impeached or resigns, that may take a while before that happens. In the meantime we are closer to the 2020 elections, which means if he is allowed to take over, then he can be our "holy" (hypocrite) President for a few days. I don't believe he will be elected in 2020.

    It all depends on who the D's select as their presidential candidate. They probably believe that they have already won that election, so there is strong likelihood they will find someone better suited for the party establishment than the average American.

    With 30% of Americans solidly behind Mr. Trump, that is more than enough to win in 2020--for a country where 50% of citizens do not vote.

    I think I'll spend my time working on system that won't elect Mr. Trump in the first place.

    Just don't forget to vote.

    Changing the constitution particularly since the founders have been immortalized can be described as an enormous undertaking. The main problem is that the politicians while perhaps claiming it needs to be amended do not wish to be involved in a process that could waste political capital. In addition while polls may show this or that once it came time to actually ratify there are few with the persuasion skills capable of presenting the case in a manner that would induce the electorate to ratify.

    No, the electorate and the populace in general do not "waste" their time with citizenship and civic duty. From the so-called standard bearer of democracy and the indispensable nation we have abdicated our roll in the world. the world is becoming tribe-polar with the EU, China and the U.S. the question is where will the rest of the world lean? DO not look for many to clamor for the U.S. We have spent our reputation on ignorance and arrogance. The latest example being the full blown tribalism of the last 10 years.

    Unum de multis: Out of one, many.

  • Brooks, AB
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    Just don't forget to vote.

    Changing the constitution particularly since the founders have been immortalized can be described as an enormous undertaking. The main problem is that the politicians while perhaps claiming it needs to be amended do not wish to be involved in a process that could waste political capital. In addition while polls may show this or that once it came time to actually ratify there are few with the persuasion skills capable of presenting the case in a manner that would induce the electorate to ratify.

    No, the electorate and the populace in general do not "waste" their time with citizenship and civic duty. From the so-called standard bearer of democracy and the indispensable nation we have abdicated our roll in the world. the world is becoming tribe-polar with the EU, China and the U.S. the question is where will the rest of the world lean? DO not look for many to clamor for the U.S. We have spent our reputation on ignorance and arrogance. The latest example being the full blown tribalism of the last 10 years.

    Unum de multis: Out of one, many.

    I'm from Canada. I usually spoil my ballot in the national and provincial elections: I just don't know the names on the ballot well enough to cast a wise vote. I live in town of 14,000 people, I usually know enough about a few people on the ballot to deem them worthy of the responsibility of governance. And I often know a few on the ballot who should not be there; and I can vote around them. If I were an American in 2016, I would have spoiled my presidential ballot.

    There is nothing to stop the early TDG builders from writing their own TDG constitutions. These documents will be refined by all sorts of builders over the years to the point where it can credibly challenge the US constitution. But in this early state, it would be pointless for the TDG to directly challenge democracy. There is a very organic process the builders must put themselves through to create the right document. In other words, read Chapter 6.

    I am going through Issac Asimov's Foundation series again. He has prophesied that democracy has only a two- or three- century lifespan before democratic societies turn back to oligarchy.

  • Center Left
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    I find the title of this thread to be offensive. The premise as well.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: I find the title of this thread to be offensive. The premise as well.
    Not if you are an "evangelical" or part of the 32% who claims that Trump never lies.
  • Brooks, AB
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    TJ Wrote: I find the title of this thread to be offensive. The premise as well.

    For about a year, I was participating on writerbeat.com, a forum that seems to attract all sorts of different people--and is relatively civil. There were more than a few evangelical Christians who either believed Trump was sent by God or God is using this man to push their agenda (which makes all his moral shenanigans OK).

    While some Christians would be offended by this title, other Christians cheer it.

    It's a strange world.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: I find the title of this thread to be offensive. The premise as well.
    Why, don't you believe Trump is a messiah yet? /sarcasm
  • Independent
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    Dave Volek Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: I find the title of this thread to be offensive. The premise as well.

    For about a year, I was participating on writerbeat.com, a forum that seems to attract all sorts of different people--and is relatively civil. There were more than a few evangelical Christians who either believed Trump was sent by God or God is using this man to push their agenda (which makes all his moral shenanigans OK).

    While some Christians would be offended by this title, other Christians cheer it.

    It's a strange world.

    Its the nature of evangelicals to seek out and follow domineering leaders, especially leaders that are extreme in projecting themselves as being some kind of savor of mankind. Trump projects himself as being the sole person that can deliver, and without him, all will be lost.

    In the evangelical world, the biggest mistake any leader can do is admit mistakes and\or being flawed. It's pretty messed up. If a leader has sex with an underage girl, for evangelicals it is worse to admit the crime, than it is to deny it and call the girl a liar. It's how they view Trump, as long as he always denies anything that is true, they will continue to have faith in him, but if he were to wavier and accept responsibility for anything he done wrong (and that is 50 years of bad stuff), evangelicals would start pealing off looking for different political leadership.... And Mike Pence is waiting for that day to happen.

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    Those who belong in the god club are revealing who they really worship which is the Sky God of the Dark Side, and they really do look forward to the end of the earth because that is the fast track to heaven. They also believe in the AntiChrist and the main characteristic of this strange being is that he will be the Great Deceiver and no one on earth has earned that title more then the Don.
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    progressiveconnie Wrote: Those who belong in the god club are revealing who they really worship which is the Sky God of the Dark Side, and they really do look forward to the end of the earth because that is the fast track to heaven. They also believe in the AntiChrist and the main characteristic of this strange being is that he will be the Great Deceiver and no one on earth has earned that title more then the Don.

    Yes this is an weird country of all kind of "believers" some still think the earth is "flat" and belief in "heaven". But yeah the "snake oil" salesmen have become rich but can't take it with them either once they are turned to dust. Neither can the Don.

    Nothing leaves this globe, except the gasses of our pollution and some rockets/satellites; but yeah, may be you can buy an ticket on one of Musk's rockets and fly to Mars; die there and still you're not in heaven. I guess "evangelicals" have no brains (except indoctrinated one's). This is already proven if you see for whom they vote.

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    We should thank the "evangelicals" that Kavanaugh gets his wish. The only thing they forget that he will defend Trump related to anything Mueller will prove, because Kavanaugh has stated that Presidents are actually above the law. I also bet that he will satisfy the evangelicals with the abortion and birth control issues. Thus women you will have to import your birth control pills or suffer the consequences having to raise an unwanted kid costing a bundle to raise let alone the education cost. But also forget that "social services" for the unwanted growing families will be cut, because Trump wants that money for his "wall".

    Thus this day (10/6/18) will be the day that the stupid people in this country get their wish, also that Trump stays until 2024 and no longer can't be impeached, as well that women will suffer and no longer are the "boss" over their own bodies. Also don't forget to set the clock back to the 1950's. Celebrate all of this with lots of "beer" and "rape" whatever you can hold down. That is the "new" America.

    All of this does not have to happen if the Dem's make sure they get control over the congress.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    This is an unusual bit of news, but it shows the danger that American missionaries can come under. American, John Allen Chau seemed to know that what he was about to do was extremely dangerous as he set out on a kayak with Bible in hand to a remote Indian island in the Andaman Sea. The island is one of the most sealed-off parts of India, inhabited by a small, enigmatic and highly isolated tribe whose members have killed outsiders for simply stepping on their shore. Fishermen warned him not to go. But he set forth anyway and upon landing on the beach was immediately killed with bow and arrows shot by the tribe.

    As per the New York Times article, Chau who is about 26 or 27 was believed to have been "trying to convert the islanders to Christianity. Right before he left in his kayak, Mr. Chau gave the fishermen a long note in case he did not come back. In it, police officials said, he had written that Jesus had bestowed him with the strength to go to the most forbidden places on Earth."

    I share the story as just another example of how certain Christians have become so immersed in their religious beliefs that they feel they are doing God's work and are infallible. But Chau is not alone as many on this thread have already noted. As per this article by Amy Sullivan in Politico,

    Millions of Americans Believe God Made Trump President

    “Millions of Americans,” declared Jeffress at a July 2017 event his First Baptist Church of Dallas sponsored in Washington, D.C., “believe the election of President Trump represented God giving us another chance—perhaps our last chance to truly make America great again.”

    Amen.