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Was Trump chosen by God?

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    There's a very good reason that evangelicals still support Trump:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2018/08/was-trump-chosen-by-god.html

  • Independent
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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    There's a very good reason that evangelicals still support Trump:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2018/08/was-trump-chosen-by-god.html

    I absolutely can't understand that in an country which did fly people to the moon that such mental deficiency is rampant. This must be the only western country. which is so fanatic religious. It must be the food or the drugs to be so ignorant about the religion here. Having your kid being raped by the priest must be so much fun; praying helps a lot for sure. No wonder you get an Pence as V.P. Please read my book: Religion for "dummies". I sure made a mistake in my life; I should have become an "cardinal' or TV preacher, then at least I would have an private yet and a huge yacht as well an "villa" on an beautiful island, all without any taxes as well an"reserved" seat in"heaven" (where is that place anyway? Maybe Mars?)

    Yes "reality" and "socialism" are dirty words in this country; sorry people you are being fooled by religious snake oil salesmen; "souls" don't exist (ask your doctor) and can't fly to mars; neither are there any "judges" up there (studied at Harvard?). So don't worry and be happy, when you are still alive and still breathe. Jesus won't help you, he's been dead for more than 2000 years and is now nothing but dust in the desert. Nothing "leaves" this earth, except rockets or satellites. Amen.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    You can't be a billionaire without thinking you are favored by God or you are a god. In either case you will be viewed favorably by evangelicals. Further influencing that favoritism is "God helps them that help themself". Although that saying does not have a biblical origin it sounds biblical and certainly has an evangelical appeal. It appears logical that a billionaire would have evangelical support.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Bush 43 thought god called on him too, to war with Muslims. He called it "god's calling" or a "higher power". Voters beware of these types of people, they'll easily send your sons and daughters off to die in useless wars and conflicts.
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    Dockadams Wrote: Bush 43 thought god called on him too, to war with Muslims. He called it "god's calling" or a "higher power". Voters beware of these types of people, they'll easily send your sons and daughters off to die in useless wars and conflicts.
    "Crusades" mentality. Rationalize anything carrying out "God's Wishes". They seem to forget that if God wishes something it is done according to their beliefs.
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    Good Blog commentary... A lot to digest mentally.

    My personal observation based on knowing some evangelicals. As a group they collectively always have strong powerful men that lay down the law, state things in black & White, make evangelicals feel they are an exclusive righteous group. The leaders are perceived to be selected by god to lead them to heaven because each new generation believes. without a doubt, we are in the "End Times" as written in the bible.

    To simplify it even further, Trump's message and methods are about being exclusive, like being a member of high priced country club where admittance is reserved for only a few that qualify, and they must comply to all the rules and never disagree with the leaders... As opposed to the ideology on the left which makes a specific effort to be inclusive (minorities, LGBT, etc).

    Right = Concentration of power at the top (over 90%). Those that follow this model give up their individuality.
    Left = Distribution of power among many smaller groups. Power is decentralize and is more accepting of alternate ideas.

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    Religion is always used to provide the imprimatur of deity to one's actions. God's plan, God's will, Inshallah it doesn't matter what words are used. It absolves humans of responsibility for their actions should their actions be political/economic/social violence. It absolves them should their actions fail. God must not have wanted this particular thing to be done so we will just go back and reformulate and plot a different way to get what we want and that will show it was God's plan when it succeeds.
  • Brooks, AB
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    Dutch Wrote:
    I absolutely can't understand that in an country which did fly people to the moon that such mental deficiency is rampant. This must be the only western country. which is so fanatic religious. It must be the food or the drugs to be so ignorant about the religion here. Having your kid being raped by the priest must be so much fun; praying helps a lot for sure. No wonder you get an Pence as V.P. Please read my book: Religion for "dummies". I sure made a mistake in my life; I should have become an "cardinal' or TV preacher, then at least I would have an private yet and a huge yacht as well an "villa" on an beautiful island, all without any taxes as well an"reserved" seat in"heaven" (where is that place anyway? Maybe Mars?)

    Yes "reality" and "socialism" are dirty words in this country; sorry people you are being fooled by religious snake oil salesmen; "souls" don't exist (ask your doctor) and can't fly to mars; neither are there any "judges" up there (studied at Harvard?). So don't worry and be happy, when you are still alive and still breathe. Jesus won't help you, he's been dead for more than 2000 years and is now nothing but dust in the desert. Nothing "leaves" this earth, except rockets or satellites. Amen.

    Dutch: My wife and I have tuned into Andy Stanley, an evangelical preacher from Atlanta. He has a very different approach to various Biblical passages. He frames Biblical events in such a way that even agnostics and atheists can take something from his sermons to make a better life for themselves.

    Andy is no ordinary preacher. If American Christians were following Christianity more in the way Andy suggests, USA would not have as many problems as it does today.

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    Chet:

    Your mention of "crusades" reminded me of a book I read a long time ago, titled "The Crusades through Arab Eyes".

    The link below provides more information:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2009/06/book-of-signs.html

    Somewhat related to your comments are (1) the Spanish Inquisition and (2) the Alhambra Decree

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra_Decree

    During colonial times, people could be put to death for criticizing their pastor, and early Quakers to the colonies were killed because it was against the law in early Massachusetts to be a Quaker.

    Religion truly does have a very ugly side. Just ask an altar boy.

    See the source image

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    that guy in AZ Wrote:

    Chet:

    Your mention of "crusades" reminded me of a book I read a long time ago, titled "The Crusades through Arab Eyes".

    The link below provides more information:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2009/06/book-of-signs.html

    Somewhat related to your comments are (1) the Spanish Inquisition and (2) the Alhambra Decree

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra_Decree

    During colonial times, people could be put to death for criticizing their pastor, and early Quakers to the colonies were killed because it was against the law in early Massachusetts to be a Quaker.

    Religion truly does have a very ugly side. Just ask an altar boy.

    See the source image

    And not to forget exceptionalism, the vane claim to act out blessed by god.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Religion truly does have a very ugly side. Just ask an altar boy."

    I was a grand exalted knight of the alar. My buddies and I developed contempt and hostility toward the church from all the rumors going around. We felt empowered to act okut. One of the minor things we would do involved the priest's car. 16 and 17 years old we would run errands for the church or school using either the 59 or 60 Mercury belonging to the priest. Very steep Appalachia foothills going down about 15 mph put thd car in reverse and floor it and make different designs going down the hill while the tires were spinning smoking in reverse. One of the actions that enraged us to act out so destructively was Sunday morning displays. The priest would go to the big town nearby and bail guys out of jail and bring them back to the rectory. What really set us off was these bums would sit on the front porch of the rectory drinking coffee watching the families go to church on Sunday morning. My uncle was a cop in the town where the priest would bail people out. That pretty much removed any sense of law abiding from us. Nothing was a secret but it was never talked about. So there was a lot of harm caused in many different ways by the actions of the deviated priests.

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    Trump was “chosen” by racist, misogynist, whites afraid of changing demographics by a system designed to placate slaveowners.
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    lonely bird Wrote: Trump was “chosen” by racist, misogynist, whites afraid of changing demographics by a system designed to placate slaveowners.

    Could be.

    If so, it is time to change the system. This time more progressive minded people should be writing the constitution.

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    Dave Volek Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote: Trump was “chosen” by racist, misogynist, whites afraid of changing demographics by a system designed to placate slaveowners.

    Could be.

    If so, it is time to change the system. This time more progressive minded people should be writing the constitution.

    I like to place a "bet"; I guarantee that no one here has the guts to "rewrite this document"; it is here as holy as the "bible". So forget that. Also as long as an two party system exits and "money" runs the elections, the "mess" and "corruption" stays.

    Thus no wonder the churches say: Just pray and pay. (that helps)

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    Dutch Wrote:
    Dave Volek Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote: Trump was “chosen” by racist, misogynist, whites afraid of changing demographics by a system designed to placate slaveowners.

    Could be.

    If so, it is time to change the system. This time more progressive minded people should be writing the constitution.

    I like to place a "bet"; I guarantee that no one here has the guts to "rewrite this document"; it is here as holy as the "bible". So forget that. Also as long as an two party system exits and "money" runs the elections, the "mess" and "corruption" stays.

    Thus no wonder the churches say: Just pray and pay. (that helps)

    Chet, there may be a lot of truth in what you have just said--which is unfortunate.

    It's amazing how we will cling to document written 250 years ago by a bunch of racists, misogynists, and elitists. And it's amazing that since that time, we have written, discarded, and rewritten so many "accepted" models of understanding our world in the pure sciences and social sciences, and yet we are not allowed to imagine another version of democracy that will surpass western democracy.

    In Canada, we have national and provincial elections where a governing party will receive 75% of the seats with 40% of the vote. Many of us get angry with this imbalance, yet just try to suggest to change the Westminster electoral system with a European PR system. Well, let's just say that if Canadians are not willing to consider this step, the TDG is, for sure, too far out of their reach.

    The "pay and pray" may indeed be the psychology keeping people away from doing a little work to rewrite the constitution.

    I'm not a believer in any deep state which keeps some nebulous group of people in power regardless of who wins the election. But if there is such an entity, it has done an excellent job in brainwashing the people not to consider other systems of governance.