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When it comes to trump, his reality TV show (aka The 24hr News), he emboldens\embraces wacko extremists.

"The Deep State is the head of organized crime and deals in child Sex trafficking. If your daughter or granddaughter is under 18, it is likely on their secret target list"

This crap is so absurd it could be on SNL, South Park, or the Family guy. But people really believe this BS, and trump encourages it.

If it were fiction, it would be consider satire or a parody, but how do you top trump's reality that is already satire or a parody.

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wwjd Wrote:
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When it comes to trump, his reality TV show (aka The 24hr News), he emboldens\embraces wacko extremists.
"The Deep State is the head of organized crime and deals in child Sex trafficking. If your daughter or granddaughter is under 18, it is likely on their secret target list"
This crap is so absurd it could be on SNL, South Park, or the Family guy. But people really believe this BS, and trump encourages it.
If it were fiction, it would be consider satire or a parody, but how do you top trump's reality that is already satire or a parody.

And all of this can "run" a country? Yes of course: A banana republic for sure. As I've said way back: This country is doomed if it keeps up this total circus in governing.

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wwjd -- Thanks for sharing the article. A certain segment of our population seems to be highly susceptible to conspiracy theories of any form, and some of the Qanon's are the wackiest. Alex Jones makes a highly profitable living out of making up conspiracy theories...like the Sandy Hook massacre of children being a hoax.

However, I would push back on those who would stereotype all Americans as being victims of this crap. They represent the bottom of the barrel...the dregs of society. Nevertheless, we certainly have to be vigilant because some of these conspiratorial characters can take matters into their own hands. And for many of them Trump is a messiah.

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Trump is probably a member of Qanon, he began the birther movement, and probably started the rumor that Obama was a foreign terrorist trying to overthrow our government.

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wwjd -- Thanks for sharing the article. A certain segment of our population seems to be highly susceptible to conspiracy theories of any form, and some of the Qanon's are the wackiest. Alex Jones makes a highly profitable living out of making up conspiracy theories...like the Sandy Hook massacre of children being a hoax.
However, I would push back on those who would stereotype all Americans as being victims of this crap. They represent the bottom of the barrel...the dregs of society. Nevertheless, we certainly have to be vigilant because some of these conspiratorial characters can take matters into their own hands. And for many of them Trump is a messiah.

Yes, I have confidence that a vast majority of Americans are stable and rational people that are able to recognize BS an wacko conspiracies. We laugh, roll our eyes, and and move on. Leaving the wackos yelling "Clean air is bad for your health! End clean air now!"

Part of what trump is doing is being a voice for fringe groups that have no political power. He directly, or indirectly, invites them to join him as he attacks anything that is within rational norms (left or right norms). trump is the leader of people who are primary irrational as a personality type; people who do not think irrationally a majority of the time. This includes people who have strong racist beliefs, believe in conspiracy theories, have various mental disorders, and people who just don't feel comfortable within the primary norms of society. When trump lies and contradicts himself on a daily basis, they emotionally connect with him, because they are like that themselves every single day too; facts don't matter to them (actually facts are their enemy), so its doesn't matter how much trump lies or what the facts might be, they follow "trump" the man because for them he is a modern day messiah; he is flawless, the hand of God, and can do no wrong. He is here to save them, so whatever he does, its always the right thing 100% of the time.

IMO, they want him to remain president forever, and they are willing to support any action that will allow him remain president for as long as possible.... However to be clear, I am not talking about all Republicans or everyone on the right, just those who are trump's core base (about 30% of voters), who identify with him, and accept his methods, even if those methods are illegal and\or unethical. If separating children from their parents works in accomplishing a goal, they have no problem with that,etc, etc.

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However " History repeats itself" like the French say. My fear is it looks a bit like reading "Mein Kampf"; indeed a "minority" can become the "majority" if they manage to spread their filth, if there is no strong opposition. Since the majority of people are not well educated here, it is easy to sow hate and fear, which makes this country ripe for an dictatorial takeover. Unless people wake up. Mueller may be the only savior, if he can sway this movement of "standing" with the "leader" until "death" us parts. I've never been in any country which is so gullible and naive.

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The "gullible and naïve" represent perhaps 20 -- 25 percent of the country. They are largely authoritarian followers -- highly ethnocentric, highly fearful, highly self-righteous, and more as per Bob Altemeyer's linked article. They will vote for a demagogue because it's in their genes.

The other 15 to 20 percent of Trump's support comes from tribal loyalty to the Republican Party, special interest groups (e.g. evangelicals), and of course the super rich who are the primary beneficiaries of Trump's economic policies.

If Democrats participated in our democracy by voting intelligently we would not have Trump as President. Apathy is our enemy, and apathy gives rise to demagogues who opportunistically take advantage of the populace.

Mueller will survive and Trumpism will die. Trumpism is based on many lies and people will wake up to find they have been conned.

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The "gullible and naïve" represent perhaps 20 -- 25 percent of the country. They are largely authoritarian followers -- highly ethnocentric, highly fearful, highly self-righteous, and more as per Bob Altemeyer's linked article. They will vote for a demagogue because it's in their genes.
The other 15 to 20 percent of Trump's support comes from tribal loyalty to the Republican Party, special interest groups (e.g. evangelicals), and of course the super rich who are the primary beneficiaries of Trump's economic policies.
If Democrats participated in our democracy by voting intelligently we would not have Trump as President. Apathy is our enemy, and apathy gives rise to demagogues who opportunistically take advantage of the populace.
Mueller will survive and Trumpism will die. Trumpism is based on many lies and people will wake up to find they have been conned.

Completely agree; I hope your last line will materialize. But like you said "evangelicals" don't vote intelligently; they never will, because they live in la la land because of the indoctrination. Don't forget Trump was approved by "God".

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The "gullible and naïve" represent perhaps 20 -- 25 percent of the country. They are largely authoritarian followers -- highly ethnocentric, highly fearful, highly self-righteous, and more as per Bob Altemeyer's linked article. They will vote for a demagogue because it's in their genes.
The other 15 to 20 percent of Trump's support comes from tribal loyalty to the Republican Party, special interest groups (e.g. evangelicals), and of course the super rich who are the primary beneficiaries of Trump's economic policies.
If Democrats participated in our democracy by voting intelligently we would not have Trump as President. Apathy is our enemy, and apathy gives rise to demagogues who opportunistically take advantage of the populace.
Mueller will survive and Trumpism will die. Trumpism is based on many lies and people will wake up to find they have been conned.

Bob Altemeyer very much profiled both trump and his base in that article. What is impressive is that he wrote that article about 3 months before the election, at a time when nobody thought trump had a realistic chance of winning. Two years later, the article reads like an explanation of what has happens since the election, not before. He predicted the future!

And yes, trumpism destine to fail because trump is solely about trump, thus when he is gone, the republican party will find themselves lost because they spent their entire time defending a corrupt con man, not a platform of ideas\values. IMO, most of long standing Republican leaders already know trump is leading them down a dead end road, and he is spending all their political capital as fast as he can, and when it is gone, he will leave the Republican party politically bankrupt filled with the political cancer that he left behind.... While he leaves office to go play goal 7 days a week and build 12 new trump towers throughout Russia and NK. Trump is likely to leave office with only few tarnishes, but the Republican party in shambles. Trump does not build things, he destroys everyone and everything that he touches. That is who he is at his core, and how he has run his private businesses for 50 years. trump is 100% a predator; its how views the world, how he thinks, and how he operates,

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Excellent reply; but yeah I guess we are only a few who think so. Thus my only hope is that Mueller does his job such way that he "hangs" and can't return to destroy everything around him. But the main thing remains is the issue of the "education" of the people in this country which determines "elections". Especially in certain area's they will never learn and stubbornly stick to their indoctrination either by the church or certain "media".

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It is difficult to play "psychiatrist" in diagnosing Trump's various idiosyncrasies..."authoritarian bully" for sure, but then mix in almost all the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder listed in the Psychology Today website and wow, you have one complicated individual. Putting all that aside though, when a person perceives himself under attack, there are other genes that kick in that relate to "survival mode". These genes most likely have been passed down from our hunter-gatherer ancestors from thousands of years ago. Trump's actions now may be because he is in survival mode...

Caltech, January 22, 2018: Survival Mode in a Tiny Worm's Brain

Ha...don't read anything into that last article.

Okay...I'll stop playing psychiatrist.

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Well my armchair psychiatric prediction is that trump will suddenly resign without warning before the end of his first term. We will wake up to all networks coverage to a WH statement that effective noon that day, trump's resignation will take effective and VP Pence will sworn in.

... then, after the fact there is a reasonable chance trump will attempt to change his mind, thus throwing out a big question, "Can a president 'Unresign'? after it has been made part of the official record". Most likely Pence would be willing to hand back the presidency if congress lets trump have an re-do over.

My underlining point is that trump enjoys creating political TV entertainment (disturbed via news), with him at the center. Everybody wondering what in the fuck he is going to do next.

upcoming episodes:

"The day where Trump uses the word 'N*ger' during a press conference"
"The day where Trump takes a piss in public while golfing"
"The day where Trump disappears for 5 days, no tweets, no communications period"
"The day where Trump holds an ebay auction of 150 yr old WH items"
"The day where Trump calls German president Angela Merkel a 'Fucking cunt'"
"The day where Trump announces that the moon is a US territory"
"The day where Trump proposes that age of consent for oral sex be lowered to 12yr old."

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Well my armchair psychiatric prediction is that trump will suddenly resign without warning before the end of his first term. We will wake up to all networks coverage to a WH statement that effective noon that day, trump's resignation will take effective and VP Pence will sworn in.
... then, after the fact there is a reasonable chance trump will attempt to change his mind, thus throwing out a big question, "Can a president 'Unresign'? after it has been made part of the official record". Most likely Pence would be willing to hand back the presidency if congress lets trump have an re-do over.
My underlining point is that trump enjoys creating political TV entertainment (disturbed via news), with him at the center. Everybody wondering what in the fuck he is going to do next.
upcoming episodes:
"The day where Trump uses the word 'N*ger' during a press conference"
"The day where Trump takes a piss in public while golfing"
"The day where Trump disappears for 5 days, no tweets, no communications period"
"The day where Trump holds an ebay auction of 150 yr old WH items"
"The day where Trump calls German president Angela Merkel a 'Fucking cunt'"
"The day where Trump announces that the moon is a US territory"

Yeah, great! However I don't want Pence either; thus I hope the mid-term elections will make that also more difficult, so that in 2020 at least no Trump nor Pence have chance to win.

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