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Much bigger than Paul Manafort

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Manafort pulling back is a problem. On the one hand he might have spilled the beans to Mueller on his role in the Russian collusion, but now suddenly being tagged a liar means that all of Manafort's "confessions" to Mueller's team becomes suspect and tainted. Can Mueller use it to go after Trump? It could be a problem, especially if some of the other witnesses have also changed their tune and clamed up. It certainly suggests that Trump is dangling the possibility of a pardon in front of them. A Trump pardon could mean minimal jail time versus 10 years or more as a cooperating witness.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: Manafort pulling back is a problem. On the one hand he might have spilled the beans to Mueller on his role in the Russian collusion, but now suddenly being tagged a liar means that all of Manafort's "confessions" to Mueller's team becomes suspect and tainted. Can Mueller use it to go after Trump? It could be a problem, especially if some of the other witnesses have also changed their tune and clamed up. It certainly suggests that Trump is dangling the possibility of a pardon in front of them. A Trump pardon could mean minimal jail time versus 10 years or more as a cooperating witness.
    Schmidt, I get the impression that all Republicans (in the government?) are liars; cheaters; corrupt; steal and are FOX news fanatics. So what do you expect?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Daily Kos had some VERY interesting news about Manafort this morning:

    https://outlook.live.com/mail/inbox/id/AQMkADAwATZiZmYAZC04YTBiLTEyYTYtMDACLTAwCgBGAAADpqG04fTX00KKsFUU3Y8pVAcA5lKaVemBxkqBRuAA9YyB%2FgAAAgEMAAAA5lKaVemBxkqBRuAA9YyB%2FgACBHRtdwAAAA%3D%3D

    The articles to pay attention to are 1,2,3, and 6

    Since Manafort and Trump are both totally screwed, the next couple of months are going to be fun to watch.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Presidential pardon for Manafort? More obstructionism and more above the law crap a-coming.
  • Independent
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    Manifort is doing exactly what Trump would do, double down by raising the stakes for everyone (Himsself, Mulller, Trump). It would appear Manifort has info\evidence that will take down Trump. Manifort is not loyal to Trump, he won't spend his life in prison as a noble Trump Hero. If Trump won't pardon him, and Manifort is forced to go to prison, Manifort will at some point expose Trump as part of a deal to get out of prison. Manifort doesn't want to take down trump, and Trump doesn't want to be exposed. At this point I'd say Trump and Manifort have a pardon deal if Manifort continues to protect trump. Very likely Manifort will be pardoned and immediately leave the country to a location where he is safe from extradition.

    We have to think of it from Trumps and Maniforts perspective; laws are for losers, so they feel they need to do whatever it takes to protect themselves and their personal fortunes. Better they stick together as partners in crime than turn on each other because they both loose. A pardon solves both their problems, and cost them nothing. The worst that can happen to Trump is that he forced out of office and goes back to playing golf and making deals to build Trump towers in NK, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. He accomplished his goal, make first hand personal relationships with the biggest criminals (dictators) in the world who are not restrained by laws or ethics. If they don't like someone, well we all know what happens to people who get in their way, and trump respects that use of raw uninhibited power for personal gain, and wants to be associated those type of powerful people who can take care of his problems in much the same way. He is fucking pissed off that he can't even get his AG to go after his enemies, let alone order the CIA or FBI to murder political enemies or journalists on his behalf.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Manafort is scheduled to be in court again tomorrow. As the article below points out, Mueller's dragnet is going to dredge up even more damaging information on numerous people in the very near future. Trump has gone on record as saying that a pardon is not out of the question, but that is not going to be a big help for Manafort since he has already pleaded (pled?) guilty to numerous STATE charges.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/28/opinion/robert-mueller-paul-manafort-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/28/us/politics/trump-pardon-paul-manafort.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage