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Much bigger than Paul Manafort

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Manafort pulling back is a problem. On the one hand he might have spilled the beans to Mueller on his role in the Russian collusion, but now suddenly being tagged a liar means that all of Manafort's "confessions" to Mueller's team becomes suspect and tainted. Can Mueller use it to go after Trump? It could be a problem, especially if some of the other witnesses have also changed their tune and clamed up. It certainly suggests that Trump is dangling the possibility of a pardon in front of them. A Trump pardon could mean minimal jail time versus 10 years or more as a cooperating witness.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: Manafort pulling back is a problem. On the one hand he might have spilled the beans to Mueller on his role in the Russian collusion, but now suddenly being tagged a liar means that all of Manafort's "confessions" to Mueller's team becomes suspect and tainted. Can Mueller use it to go after Trump? It could be a problem, especially if some of the other witnesses have also changed their tune and clamed up. It certainly suggests that Trump is dangling the possibility of a pardon in front of them. A Trump pardon could mean minimal jail time versus 10 years or more as a cooperating witness.
    Schmidt, I get the impression that all Republicans (in the government?) are liars; cheaters; corrupt; steal and are FOX news fanatics. So what do you expect?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Daily Kos had some VERY interesting news about Manafort this morning:

    https://outlook.live.com/mail/inbox/id/AQMkADAwATZiZmYAZC04YTBiLTEyYTYtMDACLTAwCgBGAAADpqG04fTX00KKsFUU3Y8pVAcA5lKaVemBxkqBRuAA9YyB%2FgAAAgEMAAAA5lKaVemBxkqBRuAA9YyB%2FgACBHRtdwAAAA%3D%3D

    The articles to pay attention to are 1,2,3, and 6

    Since Manafort and Trump are both totally screwed, the next couple of months are going to be fun to watch.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Presidential pardon for Manafort? More obstructionism and more above the law crap a-coming.
  • Independent
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    Manifort is doing exactly what Trump would do, double down by raising the stakes for everyone (Himsself, Mulller, Trump). It would appear Manifort has info\evidence that will take down Trump. Manifort is not loyal to Trump, he won't spend his life in prison as a noble Trump Hero. If Trump won't pardon him, and Manifort is forced to go to prison, Manifort will at some point expose Trump as part of a deal to get out of prison. Manifort doesn't want to take down trump, and Trump doesn't want to be exposed. At this point I'd say Trump and Manifort have a pardon deal if Manifort continues to protect trump. Very likely Manifort will be pardoned and immediately leave the country to a location where he is safe from extradition.

    We have to think of it from Trumps and Maniforts perspective; laws are for losers, so they feel they need to do whatever it takes to protect themselves and their personal fortunes. Better they stick together as partners in crime than turn on each other because they both loose. A pardon solves both their problems, and cost them nothing. The worst that can happen to Trump is that he forced out of office and goes back to playing golf and making deals to build Trump towers in NK, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. He accomplished his goal, make first hand personal relationships with the biggest criminals (dictators) in the world who are not restrained by laws or ethics. If they don't like someone, well we all know what happens to people who get in their way, and trump respects that use of raw uninhibited power for personal gain, and wants to be associated those type of powerful people who can take care of his problems in much the same way. He is fucking pissed off that he can't even get his AG to go after his enemies, let alone order the CIA or FBI to murder political enemies or journalists on his behalf.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Manafort is scheduled to be in court again tomorrow. As the article below points out, Mueller's dragnet is going to dredge up even more damaging information on numerous people in the very near future. Trump has gone on record as saying that a pardon is not out of the question, but that is not going to be a big help for Manafort since he has already pleaded (pled?) guilty to numerous STATE charges.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/28/opinion/robert-mueller-paul-manafort-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/28/us/politics/trump-pardon-paul-manafort.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

  • Center Left
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    This was an interesting article. Manafort provided polling data to assist Russian interference.

    washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/10/...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    In June of 2016, politico named 11 battleground states. 3 of them were Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

    https://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/06/what-are-the-swing-states-in-2016-list-224327

    In 6 states, Trump won by a margin of less than 2%. 3 of the 6 were Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/swing-state-margins/

    According to news reports this morning, the Russians were able to remove Democratic voters from voting records in the 3 states shown above. As a result, Democratic voters in those states either gave up, or cast provisional ballots, which were not counted since the voters had been removed from voting records. As a result, the REAL winner in the electoral college was Hillary Clinton. 107,000 people in 3 states (.09 percent of all votes) decided the outcome of the election.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    This has not been a good week for Paul Manafort.

    Yesterday, Robert Mueller told a federal judge that he should consider giving former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort a sentence that would send him to prison for at least 17 and a half years, (which would effectively be a life sentence for him due to his age).

    The former Trump campaign chairman faced charges for tax fraud, bank fraud, unregistered lobbying for a foreign government and witness tampering. IN ADDITION, Manafort also faces STATE charges in Washington and Virginia, and possibly New York. Even if Trump pardons him on the federal charges, he'll still be in jail for a long time on the state charges.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/23/manafort-sentencing-mueller-court-filing-1182423

  • Independent
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    Manafort will be sentence tomorrow (March 8th, 2019?).

    Clearly an appeal will happen immediately.

    • Will he get out on bond?
    • If not out on bond, How long will he be willing to sit in federal prison waiting for a Trump pardon? Manafort is not likely to wait a couple years for Trump to resign, and give Marnfort a pardon as Trump walks out the door.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Breaking news: The judge has sentenced Manafort to only 47 months. The sentencing guideline for his crime was 19 to 24 years.

    Go figure.

  • Independent
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    47 months really means 24 months. So will Trump still Pardon Manafort before he gets out of prison?


    The surprisingly light sentence could be an indication that this judge either thinks white collars crimes are not real crimes
    because generally, individuals people are not be harmed, just large organizations with lots and lots of money, Or... this judge
    feels Manafort is being over prosecution because of the media attention. No Trump, No media, nobody cares, Thus Manafort
    never would have investigated.... as Trump might say, its a "Fake Prosecution"

  • Independent
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    It shows that judges can't be trusted anymore, because of the Trump polarization. This judge clearly even said that he did not agree with what Mueller is doing related Trump. This sentence is therefore very dangerous for this country. Due to the fact that there are plenty of Republican judges who support Trump, then forget "honest" justice in this country. Like I've said before this is an dangerous "cult", which will be very difficult to eradicate.

    Even if the Dem's (hopefully) win in 2020, then this "cult" will do everything to undermine the Dem's programs, especially if the "fanatic" Trump types stay.

    Looking at the effect in the "stock market" it is clear that there is no longer any confidence in the market related to the Trump economy or policy. The "cart" was upset by the election of Trump and his incompetent cronies.

    Looking at the "total" picture as well all the talk and no action; my predictions are coming true that this country is going to hit the iceberg for sure. Get your life jackets.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The Judge lives in the billionaires world. Probably wants to make sure no enemies are made in the billionaires world.

    The conservative T.S. Ellis III:

    google.com/amp/s/forbes.com/sites/charl...