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  • Center Left
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    This is so much bigger.

    Interesting story on the start of the Manafort trial. This may be interesting to watch it all unfold.

    google.com/amp/s/theatlantic.com/amp/ar...

  • Independent
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    T.J. good story; yes the "mess" is much bigger than people think. I recommend all members to open this epistel and read it and let it sink in what this country has become. Thanks T.J. for sharing.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Okay. Who is going down?
  • Independent
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    Dockadams Wrote: Okay. Who is going down?

    Manafort for sure; Trump (I think) will never conceit; he will lie until the end.

    Manafort's crimes are peanuts compared to those of Trump; thus I think if justice prevails then Trump should get life in prison. However in this crazy country it seems these guys always find a way to duck what they deserve, because our laws are filled with loopholes including being above the law for Presidents. The "mafia" rules; not justice.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I agree we need laws that presidents should abide by, and I believe the presidential powers to pardon should be limited too.

    This president is acting like a king.

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    Would Manafort have been home free except for Mueller? Wonder how many crooks are still out there.
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    Just saw on the news that an group of Republicans is visiting Moscow on the 6th of August. It is Ron Paul, likely Jordan and more idiots of the "asshole" caucus. So I wonder who approved this and what is the purpose?

    Schmidt likely can do some research.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:

    Just saw on the news that an group of Republicans is visiting Moscow on the 6th of August. It is Ron Paul, likely Jordan and more idiots of the "asshole" caucus. So I wonder who approved this and what is the purpose?

    Schmidt likely can do some research.

    The Legislative branch is independent of the Executive and makes their own decisions as to where to visit and who to meet with. It's terrible optics, but Russian apologists in Congress don't care.

    We, the people, are required to pay for any and all Congressional delegations transportation and lodgings to whatever country they travel to for (supposedly) official business. However, that is becoming less common for foreign trips because a quirk in the law allows private funding of Congressional delegations with little to no oversight.

    The fact of the matter is that US law allows Congressional delegations to travel to pretty much any country in the world on private funding. It's widespread in both the House and Senate *and* in both political parties. The law is written in such a way that a Congressperson merely need to report that their privately funded trip was "officially connected" instead of "official" and they are in the clear. It's also why Republicans can get away with doing a Republican only trip and Democrats can get away with doing the same.

    So the taxpayer is technically saving money, but I argue that saving a few dollars here and there comes with a monumental cost in the long run. When there's no oversight then we the people don't know what's being done in our name. That's dangerous, especially when we have a narcissistic sociopath at the helm.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Would Manafort have been home free except for Mueller? Wonder how many crooks are still out there.

    A lot.

    I just finished listening to Ezra Klein's interview with Adam Davidson (formerly of NPR's Planet Money; currently at The New Yorker) and he said something that I always suspected, but still blew me away:

    "Money laundering is rife in specifically real estate in New York, London, and Miami. That's something the US Government recognizes, the UK Government recognizes, and does way too little about. It's very rarely prosecuted. It's billions of dollars. I spoke with the former head of real estate regulation for the New York State Department of Financial Supervision and he told me that there was a genuine conversation at the highest levels and the decision was 'we can not come down too hard on money laundering because it would devastate the New York economy.'"

    He went on to discuss that this wasn't simply a New York City problem, but a global problem. And while Russia is a big player in this money laundering game, they surely aren't alone.

    Hell - take a drive in Portland after the sun goes down and you'll see entire floors of high-rise condos with their lights turned off even though they are completely sold out.

    And if it's happening in Portland then it's surely happening in Seattle, San Francisco, Las Angeles, Houston, Miami, and every other major city in the country. It's also happening in Paris, London, Munich, Dublin, and every other major city in the Western world.

    Money laundering has basically become "too big to fail."

  • Independent
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    Thanks Jared for the clarification. However do you think, especially visiting Russia if this is such a good idea right now? Sorry to say there is no "oversight" on anything at all in this government. Like I said so many times the laws and rules here need an urgent revamp. So what do you think these "clowns" are going to do in Russia? What will be the result? Will they ask Putin to help Trump even a bit more? All of this has a bad smell. I've not seen any protests of the Dem's either.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    And so, the Manafort trial.

    Bill Gates: liar

    Paul Manafort: liar

    Is this trial liar vs liar? I wonder if either or both are members of the liars club?

    youtube.com/watch?v=RhoYu9A2B_g

  • Independent
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    The "jury" is deliberating; I wonder about the outcome. But as a note, I still find a "jury" system stupid as a lot of things in this country. Since everything is "polarized" right now, it seems to me that you never can find an jury which is impartial and not "polarized" either. So I wonder what kind of jury this is; either leaning left or right. I bet they were already influenced before becoming an jury member. So why maintain this worthless "jury" system? Normal civil countries don't use such.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I too think the Manafort jury has been tainted, or else they're a bunch of dumbfucks, they're asking the judge to clarify "reasonable doubt", duh, what? None know the difference between right and wrong? gimme' a break.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    So why hasn't Manafort's jury been sequestered?
    Title of thread: much bigger than Manafort,

    I would say obstruction of justice for all involved in the Russia probe, and probably money laundering by Trump, since he won't release his tax filings to the public.

  • Center Left
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    I hope the results are fair and honest. The manipulator in chief is trying to slant the public sentiment with comments like it's sad what's happening to PM. (Just tried to not report funds in foreign banks). Poor nice guy PM. That's unethical to comment before a conclusion is reached.