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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    The latest news says that Trump's approval ratings are going up and up. I wonder if I'm being fooled. The last few weeks the "asshole" only created more shit than ever. thus I think it must be the "shit" polls, who only count the "chaos". What a country. If these "polls" are indeed honest, then I fear half this country belongs in a mental institute.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    538, a website I know nothing about claims his approval rating is at 41%, 52.9% disapprove. The majority rules, let's toss him an anvil.
  • Independent
    Washington
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    His approval rating remain high among his base voters (about 30% of all voters). His approval rating among everyone else has always been low, and has not gotten better. If there were an election held today trump vs Clinton. High probability HC would beat trump because all the wing voters that voted to trump most likely would vote to HC this time around, and voters who stayed home thinking that HC was going to win by a landslide, would make an extra effort to vote.

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    wwjd Wrote:

    His approval rating remain high among his base voters (about 30% of all voters). His approval rating among everyone else has always been low, and has not gotten better. If there were an election held today trump vs Clinton. High probability HC would beat trump because all the wing voters that voted to trump most likely would vote to HC this time around, and voters who stayed home thinking that HC was going to win by a landslide, would make an extra effort to vote.

    Timing is almost everything in politics, especially in close elections. Had the 2016 election been held a week earlier or a week later, a different result would have likely happened.

    It seems strange that we hang on to an electoral system that is quite fickle in making the decision for the next four years.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dave Volek Wrote:
    wwjd Wrote:

    His approval rating remain high among his base voters (about 30% of all voters). His approval rating among everyone else has always been low, and has not gotten better. If there were an election held today trump vs Clinton. High probability HC would beat trump because all the wing voters that voted to trump most likely would vote to HC this time around, and voters who stayed home thinking that HC was going to win by a landslide, would make an extra effort to vote.

    Timing is almost everything in politics, especially in close elections. Had the 2016 election been held a week earlier or a week later, a different result would have likely happened.

    It seems strange that we hang on to an electoral system that is quite fickle in making the decision for the next four years.

    When you are talking about 55000 votes different clouds in the sky might have had an effect.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Keep repeating a lie enough and people will begin to believe it.

    "President Trump's quarterly approval rating has reached its highest level since he took office, a new poll shows."

    I talked to some Trump supporters about recent Trump activities. Didn't phase them or their support. They said it was the fake news that Trump already exposed.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Take a kook at this New York Times detailed map of the 2016 general election. Then remember this: everything we know about Trump and why we either hate or love him was known to the media and reported before he was elected. I expect that if a similar map was made today based just on polling, it would not look much different.

    My opinion is that Americans remain polarized, and it is not just ignorance and misinformation. Resentment based on education level, economic status, race, sexual orientation, geography (urban versus rural), religion, and more drives our emotions as well as apathy and a feeling of hopelessness for some. The so called "American exceptionalism" cliché is nothing more than a fantasy to appeal to one's emotions, patriotism and tribalism...or more simply votes.

    Trump continually stokes all the emotional fires in our bellies again and again. People believe what they want to believe as long as they are not held personally responsible. Trump's continual presence on the TV every single day giving reassurance to his base with lies and more lies and casting blame is a tactic that frankly works.

    The election maps of 2018 and 2020 could be a carbon copy of 2016.

  • Center Left
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    Extreme Northern Alaska and a handful of "Blue" sections in a vast sea of Red. Are we merely going to try to enhance what we have ? It is shameful that 80% of the country is not worthy of our parties time or attention. And huge sections thought they weren't being considered or appreciated. We should find common ground with those who aren't in our tent. Extreme effort is needed and I am certainly not seeing it.

    Enjoyed the map. It said / says a lot. Mr. Perez, take a 2 hour lunch.... nothing happening in your office.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote:

    Extreme Northern Alaska and a handful of "Blue" sections in a vast season of Red. Are we merely going to try to enhance what we have ? It is shameful that 80% of the country is not worthy of our parties time or attention. And huge sections thought they weren't being considered or appreciated. We should find common ground with those who aren't in our tent. Extreme effort is needed and I am certainly not seeing it.

    Enjoyed the map. It said / says a lot. Mr. Perez, take a 2 hour lunch.... nothing happening in your office.

    Here's a map of the 2008 vote by county:

    And here's the same map for 2012:

    Image result for 2012 presidential county map

    President Obama won both of these elections.

    All these maps show us is that a large swath of our country isn't densely populated.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Take a kook at this New York Times detailed map of the 2016 general election. Then remember this: everything we know about Trump and why we either hate or love him was known to the media and reported before he was elected. I expect that if a similar map was made today based just on polling, it would not look much different.

    Schmidt, I think if we had a do-over today, the swing voters, and democrats that decided not to vote, would now over-whelming vote for HC. At the time it widely assumed HC was going to win easily, so swing voters felt more free to go against HC as a protest vote. Sanders voters didn't really think DT was going to win, so not motived make the effort to vote period. Enough stayed home to put DT over the top in a few stated that should have gone to HC.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    TJ Wrote:

    Extreme Northern Alaska and a handful of "Blue" sections in a vast season of Red. Are we merely going to try to enhance what we have ? It is shameful that 80% of the country is not worthy of our parties time or attention. And huge sections thought they weren't being considered or appreciated. We should find common ground with those who aren't in our tent. Extreme effort is needed and I am certainly not seeing it.

    Enjoyed the map. It said / says a lot. Mr. Perez, take a 2 hour lunch.... nothing happening in your office.

    Here's a map of the 2008 vote by county:

    And here's the same map for 2012:

    Image result for 2012 presidential county map

    President Obama won both of these elections.

    All these maps show us is that a large swath of our country isn't densely populated.

    Schmidt/Jared; these maps show exactly where the "uneducated" part of the population live. Time to get rid of the multi million dollar "yacht" of DeVos and of course herself (it was vandalized this week)
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Thank you Dutch for the kind words about Wisconsinites. But, we do have some backwoods Podunk hillbilly farmers and some dairy farmers who went for Trump in 2016. My local TV stations have been going into the field in the state interviewing farmers and they're crying all over their soybeans because of the tariffs Trump imposed. I laugh because they voted for the jerk, and now they're sorry.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Take a kook at this New York Times detailed map of the 2016 general election. Then remember this: everything we know about Trump and why we either hate or love him was known to the media and reported before he was elected. I expect that if a similar map was made today based just on polling, it would not look much different.

    My opinion is that Americans remain polarized, and it is not just ignorance and misinformation. Resentment based on education level, economic status, race, sexual orientation, geography (urban versus rural), religion, and more drives our emotions as well as apathy and a feeling of hopelessness for some. The so called "American exceptionalism" cliché is nothing more than a fantasy to appeal to one's emotions, patriotism and tribalism...or more simply votes.

    Trump continually stokes all the emotional fires in our bellies again and again. People believe what they want to believe as long as they are not held personally responsible. Trump's continual presence on the TV every single day giving reassurance to his base with lies and more lies and casting blame is a tactic that frankly works.

    The election maps of 2018 and 2020 could be a carbon copy of 2016.

    Agreed, Schmidt. I have said that citizenship is a difficult job. To me it is apparent that far too few take it seriously. They do not take time to formulate opinions based upon research. Instead because they have abdicated their responsibility politicians play to their emotions. I have heard for years that the Democratic Party believes people want discussion about issues. They do not. Imo, what they want is reinforcement of their preconceived notions regarding issues. Democracy is difficult and also carries the seeds of its own destruction. The election of Trump underscores that.
  • Center Left
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    TJ Wrote:

    Extreme Northern Alaska and a handful of "Blue" sections in a vast season of Red. Are we merely going to try to enhance what we have ? It is shameful that 80% of the country is not worthy of our parties time or attention. And huge sections thought they weren't being considered or appreciated. We should find common ground with those who aren't in our tent. Extreme effort is needed and I am certainly not seeing it.

    Enjoyed the map. It said / says a lot. Mr. Perez, take a 2 hour lunch.... nothing happening in your office.

    Here's a map of the 2008 vote by county:

    And here's the same map for 2012:

    Image result for 2012 presidential county map

    President Obama won both of these elections.

    All these maps show us is that a large swath of our country isn't densely populated.

    So if you don't live in a densely populated area... ? You're not a priority ? Is that what I am hearing ? That winning formula is why we're a minority is all areas of government. We may dislike the current president but he's communicating to the masses. Are we ? Not well enough. You can be a party apologist but until we are a majority - we have vast room for improvement. Not being impatient but there's an election in early November. Our best efforts are needed.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    So, is an educated energetic learned person going to get up and vote democratic ??? In this right leaning country it is a real gamble. Instead of laying the responsibility on the voters I say the Democratic party needs to start preaching a prosperity campsign. Prosperity can only be defeated by big money not willing to thank the country that gave them everything. Invest in jobs producing living income businesses. It is there for the asking except for the money hoarding job killing financial gambling of the last 40 years. Create good paying life sustaining jobs.