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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Chet - Am I the only one who finds it rather ironic how you chide me for criticizing you for appearing to believe that a President can waive a magic wand and get everything they want and then immediately go into criticizing me for having opinions I have never once advocated?

    Please point me to one thread in the nearly six years I've been on this website where I have said that social welfare programs need to be 100% (or ANY percent) paid for. I'm happy to teach you how to post a link to any thread you find that shows me saying anything remotely close to what you accused me of. I wish you the best of luck in your search...

    You seem to have completely forgotten that I'm a damn social worker, Chet. I actually walk the walk when it comes to helping people. However, it's quite frustrating when people like yourself have become convinced that it's simple to fix all of our stubbornly complex problems in our society and that if we only had Bernie Sanders as our dear leader then all of our problems will magically drift away.

    I don't have a myopic, dystopian view of the world; my views are based off a solid understanding of how our government functions based off the Constitution we have and not the government or Constitution we wished we had.

    I know it's impossible for you to believe this, but I actually agree with a majority of things Bernie stands for. Where he loses me is his demagoguery promising his gullible supporters that all of his promises will be paid for by simply taxing millionaires and billionaires.

    Jared, All you do is exaggerate and use innuendo to defend your status quo incrementalism ideology. For example here is a total lie you made up: "all of his promises will be paid for by simply taxing millionaires and billionaires". Total lie.

    Dockadams, You present the perfect support for social change with your reality of. $5 coupon for a $3000 item then you follow up with total support that gave you the worthless coupon. Then of course jaredsxtn would put you in the win column because you have now have a worthless coupon that you didn't have before. So you guys support a status quo that lets people suffer and die and attack the first person in almost 80 years that wants to make a change that would benefit both of you and 300,000,000 million other people. What's your point ???

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    Chet you should read the UN report about the "poor" in America; that will open up your eyes. I asked Schmidt to publish it on the site (at least the highlights) This report is very damaging for the Trump regime.
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    "Good Paying Jobs " would put billions of dollars in the hands of people that would spend it. That is prosperity and prosperity benefits everybody. The opposite is austerity and austerity kills an economy. Kill an economy and poor people die in greater number.
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    Levine was mentioned to begin this thread. His initial commercial spoke about how Florida teachers should get a 10,000.00 per year raise. We're also near the absolute bottom of the barrel in teachers pay. So many areas need improvement.
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    Dutch Wrote: Chet you should read the UN report about the "poor" in America; that will open up your eyes. I asked Schmidt to publish it on the site (at least the highlights) This report is very damaging for the Trump regime.
    Dutch, What do you mean "open up my eyes"? I am the only person you know that continually talks about how bad the poor people have it in the USA. You are talking like I am a Trump supporter . Explain what and who you think I support!!! My picture in my profile is me a United Mine Worker of America giving a speech in Cleveland Ohio supporting the Teamsters in a contract strike in the late 70s.
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    Dutch, This will open your eyes and when you read it remember it didn't start last year. Trump is making it far worse because he has absolutely no conscious.

    www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/22/us/america-pov...

    Everyday I see more people on more corners and more people standing in front of stores asking for money. My town keeps trying to pass laws against people asking for help. This situation has been steadily developing and getting worse for decades. The system elected Trump because the Democrats ignored the developing poverty . Trump lied his way into the Presidency using what should have been the Democratic battle cry "Lots of Good Paying Jobs". How did Hillary react to Trump saying lots of good paying jobs??? She and some people on this sight said the people are doing fine and denied stagnant wages. And elected Trump, the worst candidate to run in the history of the world. Change is needed in radical form and amount. Poor people are the responsibility of a country and are on the conscious of people that have to hire people to give their money away. The problem is living incomes and the solution is not throwing pennies at the poor. Anything less than creating living incomes is surrender to right wing austerity blaming the poor .

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    An explosive U.N. report shows America's safety net was failing before Trump's ...

    Washington Post › wonk › 2018/06/06


    Jun 6, 2018 · America leads the developed world in youth poverty, infant mortality, incarceration, obesity — and that was

    And

    theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/15/extre...


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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Chet - Am I the only one who finds it rather ironic how you chide me for criticizing you for appearing to believe that a President can waive a magic wand and get everything they want and then immediately go into criticizing me for having opinions I have never once advocated?

    Please point me to one thread in the nearly six years I've been on this website where I have said that social welfare programs need to be 100% (or ANY percent) paid for. I'm happy to teach you how to post a link to any thread you find that shows me saying anything remotely close to what you accused me of. I wish you the best of luck in your search...

    You seem to have completely forgotten that I'm a damn social worker, Chet. I actually walk the walk when it comes to helping people. However, it's quite frustrating when people like yourself have become convinced that it's simple to fix all of our stubbornly complex problems in our society and that if we only had Bernie Sanders as our dear leader then all of our problems will magically drift away.

    I don't have a myopic, dystopian view of the world; my views are based off a solid understanding of how our government functions based off the Constitution we have and not the government or Constitution we wished we had.

    I know it's impossible for you to believe this, but I actually agree with a majority of things Bernie stands for. Where he loses me is his demagoguery promising his gullible supporters that all of his promises will be paid for by simply taxing millionaires and billionaires.

    Jared, All you do is exaggerate and use innuendo to defend your status quo incrementalism ideology. For example here is a total lie you made up: "all of his promises will be paid for by simply taxing millionaires and billionaires". Total lie.

    Dockadams, You present the perfect support for social change with your reality of. $5 coupon for a $3000 item then you follow up with total support that gave you the worthless coupon. Then of course jaredsxtn would put you in the win column because you have now have a worthless coupon that you didn't have before. So you guys support a status quo that lets people suffer and die and attack the first person in almost 80 years that wants to make a change that would benefit both of you and 300,000,000 million other people. What's your point ???

    Don't forget now, republicans hold the majority in congress, and we have a republican president. Democrats and independents who caucus with them are the minority right now, and for the future. We also have in place a right wing SCOTUS. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. You know, this is the second occasion when republicans cut taxes in recent years, Bush 43 cut taxes, and Trump cut taxes, and both called it job creation. Among Wall Street and it's investors, they love it, does a tax cut mean those investors will create jobs? Maybe a few. Most wealthy will horde those dollars they get in tax cuts. American voters love tax cuts too, but if you're poor people like me and my wife, who take in less than $30,000 a year, we don't pay any taxes except for Obamacare, and my wife's Obamacare is like having a $5.00 coupon for a $3000.00 item, it sucks because she and I still cannot afford good quality medical care for her. Since we don't pay taxes, and are not living the life of Reilly, we get by, and we're not eating steaks and lobster, do not own a new car, and are living a frugal lifestyle. Oh, there's jobs out here in my state, but almost all pay under $10.00 an hour. Not much for working your ass off. Not enough to buy a home or a new car either.

    So, for democrats to run on a platform per se of jobs, jobs, jobs and to say they're going to enforce or create regulations to thwart Trumpism is a farce. Socialists like Sanders don't stand a chance in getting elected, even if they did, passage of bills to make the poor acquire better paying jobs, single payer HC, and other free social programs won't happen, and you know it as much as Jared and I do. You're talking trickle up economics where taxes will pay for everything that's free. That might work if the tables weren't slanted toward the very wealthy and elites. We have what's called wealth inequality in the USA. Don't expect the wealthy to sit still for that. They'll fight programs like that tooth and nail, and to their last dollar.

    Reread my post above, if I attacked someone of 80 years, point it out. Reread my post above, point out where I support the status quo. Next time I respond to your post, I'll make sure it's only 2 or 3 lines so you'll be able to comprehend my meaning or message more concisely, and it will have a point instead of a drivel. Have a nice day.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Dutch, This will open your eyes and when you read it remember it didn't start last year. Trump is making it far worse because he has absolutely no conscious.

    www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/22/us/america-pov...

    Everyday I see more people on more corners and more people standing in front of stores asking for money. My town keeps trying to pass laws against people asking for help. This situation has been steadily developing and getting worse for decades. The system elected Trump because the Democrats ignored the developing poverty . Trump lied his way into the Presidency using what should have been the Democratic battle cry "Lots of Good Paying Jobs". How did Hillary react to Trump saying lots of good paying jobs??? She and some people on this sight said the people are doing fine and denied stagnant wages. And elected Trump, the worst candidate to run in the history of the world. Change is needed in radical form and amount. Poor people are the responsibility of a country and are on the conscious of people that have to hire people to give their money away. The problem is living incomes and the solution is not throwing pennies at the poor. Anything less than creating living incomes is surrender to right wing austerity blaming the poor .

    That would be a good platform for dems in 2020, increase the minimum wage!
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Chet - Am I the only one who finds it rather ironic how you chide me for criticizing you for appearing to believe that a President can waive a magic wand and get everything they want and then immediately go into criticizing me for having opinions I have never once advocated?

    Please point me to one thread in the nearly six years I've been on this website where I have said that social welfare programs need to be 100% (or ANY percent) paid for. I'm happy to teach you how to post a link to any thread you find that shows me saying anything remotely close to what you accused me of. I wish you the best of luck in your search...

    You seem to have completely forgotten that I'm a damn social worker, Chet. I actually walk the walk when it comes to helping people. However, it's quite frustrating when people like yourself have become convinced that it's simple to fix all of our stubbornly complex problems in our society and that if we only had Bernie Sanders as our dear leader then all of our problems will magically drift away.

    I don't have a myopic, dystopian view of the world; my views are based off a solid understanding of how our government functions based off the Constitution we have and not the government or Constitution we wished we had.

    I know it's impossible for you to believe this, but I actually agree with a majority of things Bernie stands for. Where he loses me is his demagoguery promising his gullible supporters that all of his promises will be paid for by simply taxing millionaires and billionaires.

    Jared, All you do is exaggerate and use innuendo to defend your status quo incrementalism ideology. For example here is a total lie you made up: "all of his promises will be paid for by simply taxing millionaires and billionaires". Total lie.

    Dockadams, You present the perfect support for social change with your reality of. $5 coupon for a $3000 item then you follow up with total support that gave you the worthless coupon. Then of course jaredsxtn would put you in the win column because you have now have a worthless coupon that you didn't have before. So you guys support a status quo that lets people suffer and die and attack the first person in almost 80 years that wants to make a change that would benefit both of you and 300,000,000 million other people. What's your point ???

    Don't forget now, republicans hold the majority in congress, and we have a republican president. Democrats and independents who caucus with them are the minority right now, and for the future. We also have in place a right wing SCOTUS. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. You know, this is the second occasion when republicans cut taxes in recent years, Bush 43 cut taxes, and Trump cut taxes, and both called it job creation. Among Wall Street and it's investors, they love it, does a tax cut mean those investors will create jobs? Maybe a few. Most wealthy will horde those dollars they get in tax cuts. American voters love tax cuts too, but if you're poor people like me and my wife, who take in less than $30,000 a year, we don't pay any taxes except for Obamacare, and my wife's Obamacare is like having a $5.00 coupon for a $3000.00 item, it sucks because she and I still cannot afford good quality medical care for her. Since we don't pay taxes, and are not living the life of Reilly, we get by, and we're not eating steaks and lobster, do not own a new car, and are living a frugal lifestyle. Oh, there's jobs out here in my state, but almost all pay under $10.00 an hour. Not much for working your ass off. Not enough to buy a home or a new car either.

    So, for democrats to run on a platform per se of jobs, jobs, jobs and to say they're going to enforce or create regulations to thwart Trumpism is a farce. Socialists like Sanders don't stand a chance in getting elected, even if they did, passage of bills to make the poor acquire better paying jobs, single payer HC, and other free social programs won't happen, and you know it as much as Jared and I do. You're talking trickle up economics where taxes will pay for everything that's free. That might work if the tables weren't slanted toward the very wealthy and elites. We have what's called wealth inequality in the USA. Don't expect the wealthy to sit still for that. They'll fight programs like that tooth and nail, and to their last dollar.

    Reread my post above, if I attacked someone of 80 years, point it out. Reread my post above, point out where I support the status quo. Next time I respond to your post, I'll make sure it's only 2 or 3 lines so you'll be able to comprehend my meaning or message more concisely, and it will have a point instead of a drivel. Have a nice day.

    "Reread my post above, if I attacked someone of 80 years, point it out"

    I said you attacked the first person in 80 years to come out with radical changes to help poor people.

    "point out where I support the status quo." You parrot the same criticisms that the status quo present attacking Bernie.

    You present the perfect case for radical change being needed and then you go on to say how nothing to help in a positive way is possible . Of course it is impossible if there is no support for the ideas that would change it.

    The situation got as bad as it did because there was no support for ideas and people that would change it.

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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Dutch, This will open your eyes and when you read it remember it didn't start last year. Trump is making it far worse because he has absolutely no conscious.

    www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/22/us/america-pov...

    Everyday I see more people on more corners and more people standing in front of stores asking for money. My town keeps trying to pass laws against people asking for help. This situation has been steadily developing and getting worse for decades. The system elected Trump because the Democrats ignored the developing poverty . Trump lied his way into the Presidency using what should have been the Democratic battle cry "Lots of Good Paying Jobs". How did Hillary react to Trump saying lots of good paying jobs??? She and some people on this sight said the people are doing fine and denied stagnant wages. And elected Trump, the worst candidate to run in the history of the world. Change is needed in radical form and amount. Poor people are the responsibility of a country and are on the conscious of people that have to hire people to give their money away. The problem is living incomes and the solution is not throwing pennies at the poor. Anything less than creating living incomes is surrender to right wing austerity blaming the poor .

    That would be a good platform for dems in 2020, increase the minimum wage!
    You think raising the minimum wage would solve the poverty problem in the USA.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Jared, All you do is exaggerate and use innuendo to defend your status quo incrementalism ideology. For example here is a total lie you made up: "all of his promises will be paid for by simply taxing millionaires and billionaires". Total lie.

    PolitiFact: Bernie Sanders says Wall Street tax would pay for his free tuition plan

    Ranking: Mostly False


    Here's the thing, Chet. I am all for dramatically increasing my own taxes in order to pay for a broad social safety net including tuition free college, single-payer healthcare, and paid maternity leave for both mothers and fathers (or two mothers/two fathers), but Bernie is promising me that I won't have to pay an extra dime in taxes for ANY of these. What a deal!!!

    This is why I think Bernie is more of a demagogue than statesman. He is promising his gullible supporters everything *and* the kitchen sink...for free!

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    Dockadams said:

    "So, for democrats to run on a platform per se of jobs, jobs, jobs and to say they're going to enforce or create regulations to thwart Trumpism is a farce."

    In the first place it's good paying jobs.

    Second place they tried changing and making laws after 2008. With some more Democratic and popular support it might have happened in a positive way.

    With poverty expanding don't kid yourself about who can't get elected.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Jared, All you do is exaggerate and use innuendo to defend your status quo incrementalism ideology. For example here is a total lie you made up: "all of his promises will be paid for by simply taxing millionaires and billionaires". Total lie.

    PolitiFact: Bernie Sanders says Wall Street tax would pay for his free tuition plan

    Ranking: Mostly False


    Here's the thing, Chet. I am all for dramatically increasing my own taxes in order to pay for a broad social safety net including tuition free college, single-payer healthcare, and paid maternity leave for both mothers and fathers (or two mothers/two fathers), but Bernie is promising me that I won't have to pay an extra dime in taxes for ANY of these. What a deal!!!

    This is why I think Bernie is more of a demagogue than statesman. He is promising his gullible supporters everything *and* the kitchen sink...for free!

    Bernie still has the best way out of the expanding poverty and wage stagnation/falling mess. Energizing the economy would increase the tax revenue eliminating increasing taxes to pay for programs.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Bernie still has the best way out of the expanding poverty and wage stagnation/falling mess. Energizing the economy would increase the tax revenue eliminating increasing taxes to pay for programs.

    You accused me of lying. I easily proved otherwise. You then changed the discussion.

    If you can't back up your baseless accusations with facts then don't level them in the first place.