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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Here is a Democrat running for office saying something.

    "leaving thousands of Floridians on waiting lists fighting for their lives,” Levine says in the ad. “I’m Philip Levine and I’m running for Governor to give everyone the health care they need.”

    leaving thousands of Floridians on waiting lists fighting for their lives,” Levine says in the ad. “I’m Philip Levine and I’m running for Governor to give everyone the health care they need.”

    floridapolitics.com/archives/267184-phi...

    Florida is or is close to dead last in health care.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Um, every Democrat running for Senator, Governor, or any other elected office in Florida has a platform of giving "everyone the health care they need."

    What's scary about Florida is its rightward tilt since a lot of angry old white people have hijacked the state. It's no longer the moderate state it used to be now that boomers are retiring and spending their golden years down there. Boomers only care about the American people paying for their healthcare. Everyone else be damned.

    Image result for government hands off my medicare obamacare protest

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Florida used to have democratic strongholds, Wisconsin was much like that once upon a time.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Um, every Democrat running for Senator, Governor, or any other elected office in Florida has a platform of giving "everyone the health care they need."

    What's scary about Florida is its rightward tilt since a lot of angry old white people have hijacked the state. It's no longer the moderate state it used to be now that boomers are retiring and spending their golden years down there. Boomers only care about the American people paying for their healthcare. Everyone else be damned.

    Image result for government hands off my medicare obamacare protest

    Levine says he will expand Medicaid. Pretty far left for a Florida candidate. Indicative of maybe an awakening of social responsibility.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    And Levine is lying if he is promising that “he alone” will do it. Just as Bernie was lying when he promised the world to all of his gullible supporters.

    I’m 100% on board with single payer healthcare, but Democratic politicians have to be honest about how that will actually be accomplished.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    And Levine is lying if he is promising that “he alone” will do it. Just as Bernie was lying when he promised the world to all of his gullible supporters.

    I’m 100% on board with single payer healthcare, but Democratic politicians have to be honest about how that will actually be accomplished.

    Why do you think so many good things are unattainable. All that has to be done is regulate the stock market back to what it says it does. Get rid of all the right wing distortions and put the country back to work at good paying jobs . The income tax revenue will pay for everything . The status quo denial that everything is fine is the only lie being fed to the public.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Why do you think so many good things are unattainable.

    Because I'm a realist, Chet.

    I want single-payer healthcare more than anything else in this world, but Bernie's promise that it will be paid for by simply taxing the "millionaires and billionaires" is utter nonsense.

    The list goes on and on with Bernie's fanciful promises to his gullible supporters. His promises are disingenuous at best and outright lying at worst.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: All that has to be done is regulate the stock market back to what it says it does. Get rid of all the right wing distortions and put the country back to work at good paying jobs . The income tax revenue will pay for everything . The status quo denial that everything is fine is the only lie being fed to the public.

    I hate to break it to you, but you're living in a fantasy land.

    You genuinely don't seem to understand our Constitution. Article I grants vast powers to the Congress, specifically concerning monetary policy. The President is only granted the power to sign or veto whatever monetary policy both houses of Congress pass.

    If you want to "regulate the stock market" and "get rid of all the right wing distortions and put the country back to work at good paying jobs" then you need to convince 218 House members to pass a tax bill and get 51 (or 60 depending on the language) Senators to agree to the exact language of the House bill or pass their own bill. If the Senate amends the House bill then the two chambers would need to go into conference and work out compromise legislation before voting on a final bill.

    If the two chambers are able to come to agreement and a majority (or super majority depending on the language) vote in favor then it's sent to the Presidents desk for them to sign or veto.

    I encourage you to take a basic civics course, Chet. Far too many people in this country don't understand how our government functions.

  • Center Left
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    It seems like 50% of Floridians are from somewhere else. I hope many Democrats in Florida are successful in their runs for office. Providing healthcare may be a tall order but at least they're talking about it. Republicans just avoid discussions on healthcare entirely. Hopefully they (Dems) make progress.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    And Levine is lying if he is promising that “he alone” will do it. Just as Bernie was lying when he promised the world to all of his gullible supporters.

    I’m 100% on board with single payer healthcare, but Democratic politicians have to be honest about how that will actually be accomplished.

    Why do you think so many good things are unattainable. All that has to be done is regulate the stock market back to what it says it does. Get rid of all the right wing distortions and put the country back to work at good paying jobs . The income tax revenue will pay for everything . The status quo denial that everything is fine is the only lie being fed to the public.
    When the government raises taxes and begins spending money on HC and other social things, you'll really see right wing zealots come out of the woodwork, because everything has to be paid for some way, it won't be a free ride.
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    And Levine is lying if he is promising that “he alone” will do it. Just as Bernie was lying when he promised the world to all of his gullible supporters.

    I’m 100% on board with single payer healthcare, but Democratic politicians have to be honest about how that will actually be accomplished.

    Why do you think so many good things are unattainable. All that has to be done is regulate the stock market back to what it says it does. Get rid of all the right wing distortions and put the country back to work at good paying jobs . The income tax revenue will pay for everything . The status quo denial that everything is fine is the only lie being fed to the public.
    When the government raises taxes and begins spending money on HC and other social things, you'll really see right wing zealots come out of the woodwork, because everything has to be paid for some way, it won't be a free ride.
    Dock; the "money" Trump is spending on himself could have paid for a lot of healthcare. His trips for his rally's and other outings have cost well over 350 million by now. Amen
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Jaredsxtn and Dockadams, Jared said:

    "You genuinely don't seem to understand our Constitution. Article I grants vast powers to the Congress, specifically concerning monetary policy. The President is only granted the power to sign or veto whatever monetary policy both houses of Congress pass."

    jaredsxtn, First of all you need to stop telling people what they don't know and what they need to learn. Are you totally ignorant of all the legislation passed to bend monetary policy toward the benefit of Wall Street and the detriment of the poor people. FDR influenced legislation in the other direction and the country benefited. You keep saying how limited a president is limited yet right in front of you Trump is destroying our economy while benefiting Wall Street. To the both of you legislation that supports jobs will produce prosperity and income surge in tax revenues. That will be extra money That will pay for social programs. jaredsxtn you are an obstructionist for any increase in social programs presenting your myopic obstructionist view that it can't be paid for because you deny the possibility of prosperity through regulation. Faster, cheaper and easier is not progress. Progress should benefit people and not numbers. jaredsxtn you present only right wing objections to expanding social policy. The country and citizens are the most important concern of a government . Austerity protecting the fortunes of wall street is a blight upon black, poor people of any color and the future of the country. Do not even try to conflate FDR with the racist discriminatory policy of legislation favoring Wall Street with your attack of FDR against black people. Stop saying Bernie was lying simply because you don't understand money. Creating high paying jobs should be the function of government not creating dynasties for the few. Putting the welfare of people first through jobs policies will solve problems . Think help instead of hinder. Think mass of people instead of exclusive. Think prosperity through spending instead if austerity for dynasty protection. When Wall Street invests in things like Greece they should assume the risk of possible benefit instead of bringing countries and people to their knees. Can't afford to lose it then don't risk it. Not make people suffer for the sake of greed. Now tell me one more time how Trump the executive branch is getting away with executing so many actions without benefit of Congress. Better yet explain to him how he is violating your civics understanding by instituting (legislative) laws then executing (executive) them. The president has virtually unlimited powers in one way or another. Starting with violating intent of existing laws like ""Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917" . How does Trump get to run free under the same conditions you said would hamstring Bernie.

  • Independent
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    Chet, yes you have some good points. For instance Trump is making a lot of money because of what he does related to the stock market. He scolded Amazon; the stocks went down; his broker bought them at a lower price ; a bit later the stock flew up again because he was wrong. Also on the trade wars he makes stock bets; he informs his broker which stocks he is going to attack etc.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Jaredsxtn and Dockadams, Jared said:

    "You genuinely don't seem to understand our Constitution. Article I grants vast powers to the Congress, specifically concerning monetary policy. The President is only granted the power to sign or veto whatever monetary policy both houses of Congress pass."

    jaredsxtn, First of all you need to stop telling people what they don't know and what they need to learn. Are you totally ignorant of all the legislation passed to bend monetary policy toward the benefit of Wall Street and the detriment of the poor people. FDR influenced legislation in the other direction and the country benefited. You keep saying how limited a president is limited yet right in front of you Trump is destroying our economy while benefiting Wall Street. To the both of you legislation that supports jobs will produce prosperity and income surge in tax revenues. That will be extra money That will pay for social programs. jaredsxtn you are an obstructionist for any increase in social programs presenting your myopic obstructionist view that it can't be paid for because you deny the possibility of prosperity through regulation. Faster, cheaper and easier is not progress. Progress should benefit people and not numbers. jaredsxtn you present only right wing objections to expanding social policy. The country and citizens are the most important concern of a government . Austerity protecting the fortunes of wall street is a blight upon black, poor people of any color and the future of the country. Do not even try to conflate FDR with the racist discriminatory policy of legislation favoring Wall Street with your attack of FDR against black people. Stop saying Bernie was lying simply because you don't understand money. Creating high paying jobs should be the function of government not creating dynasties for the few. Putting the welfare of people first through jobs policies will solve problems . Think help instead of hinder. Think mass of people instead of exclusive. Think prosperity through spending instead if austerity for dynasty protection. When Wall Street invests in things like Greece they should assume the risk of possible benefit instead of bringing countries and people to their knees. Can't afford to lose it then don't risk it. Not make people suffer for the sake of greed. Now tell me one more time how Trump the executive branch is getting away with executing so many actions without benefit of Congress. Better yet explain to him how he is violating your civics understanding by instituting (legislative) laws then executing (executive) them. The president has virtually unlimited powers in one way or another. Starting with violating intent of existing laws like ""Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917" . How does Trump get to run free under the same conditions you said would hamstring Bernie.

    Don't forget now, republicans hold the majority in congress, and we have a republican president. Democrats and independents who caucus with them are the minority right now, and for the future. We also have in place a right wing SCOTUS. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. You know, this is the second occasion when republicans cut taxes in recent years, Bush 43 cut taxes, and Trump cut taxes, and both called it job creation. Among Wall Street and it's investors, they love it, does a tax cut mean those investors will create jobs? Maybe a few. Most wealthy will horde those dollars they get in tax cuts. American voters love tax cuts too, but if you're poor people like me and my wife, who take in less than $30,000 a year, we don't pay any taxes except for Obamacare, and my wife's Obamacare is like having a $5.00 coupon for a $3000.00 item, it sucks because she and I still cannot afford good quality medical care for her. Since we don't pay taxes, and are not living the life of Reilly, we get by, and we're not eating steaks and lobster, do not own a new car, and are living a frugal lifestyle. Oh, there's jobs out here in my state, but almost all pay under $10.00 an hour. Not much for working your ass off. Not enough to buy a home or a new car either.

    So, for democrats to run on a platform per se of jobs, jobs, jobs and to say they're going to enforce or create regulations to thwart Trumpism is a farce. Socialists like Sanders don't stand a chance in getting elected, even if they did, passage of bills to make the poor acquire better paying jobs, single payer HC, and other free social programs won't happen, and you know it as much as Jared and I do. You're talking trickle up economics where taxes will pay for everything that's free. That might work if the tables weren't slanted toward the very wealthy and elites. We have what's called wealth inequality in the USA. Don't expect the wealthy to sit still for that. They'll fight programs like that tooth and nail, and to their last dollar.

    "The richest 1 percent now owns more of the country’s wealth than at any time in the past 50 years"

    washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet - Am I the only one who finds it rather ironic how you chide me for criticizing you for appearing to believe that a President can waive a magic wand and get everything they want and then immediately go into criticizing me for having opinions I have never once advocated?

    Please point me to one thread in the nearly six years I've been on this website where I have said that social welfare programs need to be 100% (or ANY percent) paid for. I'm happy to teach you how to post a link to any thread you find that shows me saying anything remotely close to what you accused me of. I wish you the best of luck in your search...

    You seem to have completely forgotten that I'm a damn social worker, Chet. I actually walk the walk when it comes to helping people. However, it's quite frustrating when people like yourself have become convinced that it's simple to fix all of our stubbornly complex problems in our society and that if we only had Bernie Sanders as our dear leader then all of our problems will magically drift away.

    I don't have a myopic, dystopian view of the world; my views are based off a solid understanding of how our government functions based off the Constitution we have and not the government or Constitution we wished we had.

    I know it's impossible for you to believe this, but I actually agree with a majority of things Bernie stands for. Where he loses me is his demagoguery promising his gullible supporters that all of his promises will be paid for by simply taxing millionaires and billionaires.

  • Independent
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    Jared, may be you heard it as I did. The UN has brought out an report about the "poor" in the US. It states as well that due to the Trump policies the gap between the "poor" and the rich has grown only bigger. The Haley woman got madder than hell over that report because she supports Trump, while the report is the real truth. Lets hope Schmidt can trace that report and publish it on this site. It says as well that 14% of the population here live in the worst possible poor conditions in the US.

    Thus taxing the rich as they do in Europe with a sliding scale would be very helpful, as long as such tax money ends up in the right places; like healthcare and job training as well social services.