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    Main, I don't know how it ends with or without a third party; even if so as you pointed out, it will be an disaster for sure.

    What is happening now can't be reversed; this country is running like hell towards the cliff. No wonder if you have no proper voting laws or you give a President way too much powers without any oversight. Even Mueller can't impeach him. The Congress has to do so, but they all promised "loyalty" including the newly to be appointed Supreme Court judge; Trump will make sure of that. I would not be surprised that in the end he'll be President for life, since he alone can fix the world and was sent by an "invisible" God residing on Jupiter who does not speak English but knows some Russian.

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    Maindawg Wrote: The libertarian party will be on the ballot in all 50 states in this election. There are about 169 libertaians holding office currently in the USA. The libertarian party will get matching campaign funds from the federal election commission. They will have to be included in the debates also. The Koch's will be pouring a billion dollars into the party . I don't know who they will run. But they will run a very high profile candidate who will be well funded.

    Local, State, and Federal Libertarian candidates are on the ballot in all 50 states every election and yet they've never won a single national or statewide contest.

    And the vast majority of the 169 "libertarians holding office currently in the USA" are local government officials elected to positions ranging from Park District Boards to Neighborhood Councils.

    I've been following Larry Schneck during his tenure on the Osceola County (Florida) Soil and Water Conservation Board Seat 3 and really think he's going places. Watch out because he's going to take this country by storm! (Sarcasm)

    So that 169 elected libertarian number they boast about on their website is just a tiny bit misleading...

    Maindawg Wrote: Since one year ago , I have read that some 23% of Republicans no longer identify as Republicans . That's almost a quarter of the party . By November ,they way things are going the republican party will be down to about 25,000,000 voters. Couple that with the likely hood that some 10 to 15 million new voters will participate and you have a dynamic that means the republican party itself will be a third party.

    I believe the current idiots running the republican party are rapidly destroying it. Any conservative with a brain is abandoning the insanity and the cruelty that has gripped the party.

    Who cares if 23% of Republicans no longer identify as Republicans? They still vote that way and that's all that matters.

    That's why I've said a million times that there's no such thing as an "independent" voter anymore. We all have our tribes and stick with them regardless of party affiliation.

    Ask an "independent" what their views on abortion are and you'll get a better understanding of the type of politician they vote for in each election.

    Maindawg Wrote: Meuller will release his report by September , that will create a shit storm America has never experienced before. There will be civil unrest as the people will be justifyably outraged. The economy may collapse due to the idiotic policies these criminals are persuing.

    Maybe it will "create a shit storm America has never experienced before" or maybe Donald and Fox "News" will spin even the most damaging findings as "Fake News" and absolutely nothing will come of it.

    It's very, very, very, VERY difficult to remove a sitting President. We have to resign ourselves to the fact that Donald will almost certainly be President for four and quite possibly eight years. And Democrats will have no one to blame but ourselves.

    Well, and Bernie or busters.

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    Yes Jared after all these years on this site you finally got the picture. Indeed it is the two party system as well an outdated Constitution with only "case" laws and a zillion lawyers who twist it an turn it, to fit it their "party"as well an Supreme Court which has become totally partisan instead of neutral. Thus no wonder. Also the election corruption with lots of money and an"electoral college" is asking for an"dictatorship"; of course the non "vetting" of a President does not help that much either. I still think that the best thing is to split this country into 5 different countries. The West coast, The East coast, the "bible belt including Utah, and the southern old "slave belt, and the uneducated stupid center area of this country. Like an huge "gerrymandering" with border lines. But just kidding; sorry there is no solution; not even the voting booth. Like you and I say all the time: AN SELF INFLICTED WOUND.
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    Neither Hillary nor Biden will run. It would be pointless. It isn't about jobs. It isn't about foreign policy. It is about appealing to enough people in enough states to win the frigging electoral college. Figure out how to do that. Whether or not there was Russian interference matters from a constitutional standpoint. From an electoral standpoint their trolling and other acts were simply the same as any advertising. Trump's message was old fashion fascist. It was about nationalism as community. Robert O. Paxton covers this concept in his book "the Anatomy of Fascism." Fascism itself is not conservative. Its roots were anti-capitalist because the capitalists were damaging the Volk. When the fascists gained power they compromised with conservatives over business and capitalism particularly due to spurring on the armaments industries. The conservatives in the early twentieth century made common cause with the fascists as a means of combating the left. Harp, as Trump did, on Ein Volk and we saw the nascent fascism of majority rule raise its ugly head. Even De Tocqueville knew about the danger even if he could not name it. This is where the fight is. Whether we like it or not messaging is critical. That 62 million voters could pull the lever for the moron now in the White House should frighten the crap out of everyone.

    The American Electorate is like a child playing with the nuclear codes.

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    lonely bird Wrote:

    Neither Hillary nor Biden will run. It would be pointless. It isn't about jobs. It isn't about foreign policy. It is about appealing to enough people in enough states to win the frigging electoral college. Figure out how to do that. Whether or not there was Russian interference matters from a constitutional standpoint. From an electoral standpoint their trolling and other acts were simply the same as any advertising. Trump's message was old fashion fascist. It was about nationalism as community. Robert O. Paxton covers this concept in his book "the Anatomy of Fascism." Fascism itself is not conservative. Its roots were anti-capitalist because the capitalists were damaging the Volk. When the fascists gained power they compromised with conservatives over business and capitalism particularly due to spurring on the armaments industries. The conservatives in the early twentieth century made common cause with the fascists as a means of combating the left. Harp, as Trump did, on Ein Volk and we saw the nascent fascism of majority rule raise its ugly head. Even De Tocqueville knew about the danger even if he could not name it. This is where the fight is. Whether we like it or not messaging is critical. That 62 million voters could pull the lever for the moron now in the White House should frighten the crap out of everyone.

    The American Electorate is like a child playing with the nuclear codes.

    Lonely, good story. I still remember the second world war and fascism. The people here never experienced that. Because of the lack of education in most of this country as well having a total stupid outdated lawless government structure, its lies, deceit and bullying and total incompetence, then of course fascism shows its ugly head as is the case now.
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    "It isn't about jobs"

    You are right lonely. It is about standard of living and human rights. Getting more people interested in voting requires something to vote for. That is good paying jobs , standard of living and human rights. Full employment with people suffering and dying because they can't afford treatment is denying human rights. Promise people good paying jobs which is very doable by reforming the financial system and the presidency and both houses are Democratic . Shouldn't be hard to contrast the current president against human rights and better pay for the deprived classes. Asking for a higher minimum wage is just an excuse for not saying the current financial system is not productive . Cheaper, faster and easier does not justify poor wages and living conditions . If just stagnates the money that can provide prosperity .

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "It isn't about jobs"

    You are right lonely. It is about standard of living and human rights. Getting more people interested in voting requires something to vote for. That is good paying jobs , standard of living and human rights. Full employment with people suffering and dying because they can't afford treatment is denying human rights. Promise people good paying jobs which is very doable by reforming the financial system and the presidency and both houses are Democratic . Shouldn't be hard to contrast the current president against human rights and better pay for the deprived classes. Asking for a higher minimum wage is just an excuse for not saying the current financial system is not productive . Cheaper, faster and easier does not justify poor wages and living conditions . If just stagnates the money that can provide prosperity .

    I won’t argue about good paying jobs being important because they are. I also won’t argue about human rights as I think there is a very good argument for healthcare and housing and such being a right.

    That being said within the framework of the system established to protect slave owners messaging is crucial. It is not simply what the message is but also who delivers it and who is it aimed at. We know a large percentage of the country is racist and Trump with tacit support of the Republican Party exploited that. We know that Hillary won the popular vote but that was a majority of those who bother to vote. If we can’t generate more voters during an election with as sharp a contrast as we had in 2016 then I am afraid 2018 will be far worse. I simply do not see any blue wave coming until and unless the party gets their shit together.

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    How many states are "red states" ? As long as we avoid those like the plague... I am positive that we will be just fine. Some have no issues with how our party leads. That makes me laugh. We should open our ears to listen. Open our interest to understand and become very different than what we have been. 2016 was a high school popularity contest and we won the most votes. How's that working for you ?
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    Biden is pondering a 2020 run, he's thinking about his age and his family.
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    If Mr. Biden runs he will need a running mate. There's a young Democrat in Texas who might be valuable. He's trending right now. I believe he's youthful enough to make many happier.

    It's never too early to speak to potential voters.

    amp.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T0...

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    jaredsxtn Wrote: There is little to zero chance that Hillary will run again, so Bernie or busters can rest easy.

    My prediction skills apparently haven't been lost forever.

    Hillary Clinton rules out 2020 presidential run - BBC News