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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Says jaredsxtn: "There is little to zero chance that Hillary will run again, so Bernie or busters can rest easy."

    Hillary has a 1.2 billion dollar charge to payback. She had been presented as the next president and that got her the 1.2 billion. There is a lot of pressure pushing her to run again. And there is no negative talk coming from the billion dollar party goers.

    Ill bet "forget about it" is not the message coming from the people that built her bankroll.

    She has, on numerous occasions, said she's done with elected office. I believe her when she says that.

    What pressure pushing her to run are you talking about? I haven't heard one commentator call for her to run or read any respected opinion or editorial pieces doing the same. She hasn't formed any exploratory committee or hired any campaign staff.

    So what, exactly, has she said or done that leads you to believe she is even considering running again?

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Says jaredsxtn: "There is little to zero chance that Hillary will run again, so Bernie or busters can rest easy."

    Hillary has a 1.2 billion dollar charge to payback. She had been presented as the next president and that got her the 1.2 billion. There is a lot of pressure pushing her to run again. And there is no negative talk coming from the billion dollar party goers.

    Ill bet "forget about it" is not the message coming from the people that built her bankroll.

    She has, on numerous occasions, said she's done with elected office. I believe her when she says that.

    What pressure pushing her to run are you talking about? I haven't heard one commentator call for her to run or read any respected opinion or editorial pieces doing the same. She hasn't formed any exploratory committee or hired any campaign staff.

    So what, exactly, has she said or done that leads you to believe she is even considering running again?

    I assure you there are pissed off multi-million dollar donors that want something for their money. Many people are looking for a return on their money. They were promised a president and they got just the opposite. Spending averaged out to 20 million dollars a week. There were intimations of campaign workers using money to prepare themselves to prosper under President Hillary. There has to be people pressing her to run again. Look at what she is doing. Nothing that would prevent her from running. Bill and Hillary haven't bought a motor home or anything else indicating moving on. She is neutral on the sidelines at the ready position.

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    Keep telling yourself that, Chet.

    She's done with elected politics. It's time for you to turn your attention to the next center-left boogeyman who can appeal to a wide swath of people, but doesn't excite the super far left who would only vote for someone who promises them everything in the world for free!!!

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Keep telling yourself that, Chet.

    She's done with elected politics. It's time for you to turn your attention to the next center-left boogeyman who can appeal to a wide swath of people, but doesn't excite the super far left who would only vote for someone who promises them everything in the world for free!!!

    Why are you down on people getting help. Both this country and this world have the resources to provide every inhabitant with a safe healthy life. Instead of bowing to and worshipping billionaires it should be demanded that their money be put to work providing good paying jobs and human rights instead of hoarding . Free is not a bad word. It only scares narrow minded selfish people. There is absolutely no other reason than choice that this country is not experiencing prosperity for the working class.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    She's done with elected politics.

    Completely agree she won't be running for office, but it won't surprise me if the next Democratic administration offers her a powerful position in the goverment because she had the WH within her grasp, and its fair to say factors beyond her influence caused her loose.

    One subtle factor, didn't want to see democrats follow up with another winner back to back. First black president, followed up the first woman president. We know in futures democrats will have the first gay president, first Hispanic president, first Asian president, etc. If republicans have any "firsts", it going to be some kind new low. Not sure what to call trump, but whatever he is, its worst of the worst.

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    100% done. She could offer so much but the absolutely negative message on their agendas killed her. What did that get them ? Everything. You might hate Bob's loud car but it's only loud when it starts and that's every damned morning. We have no counter punch and thus we don't lead anywhere at all. Some want to blame Bernie Sanders. I blame the party who have put us into this (sarcasm) leadership role. Leading what ? Absolutely nothing and nobody. More of the same will get you exactly that. Nothing.

    If a Dem won in '20 she could do more in a cabinet position. Don't hold your breath.

    Sunday news magazines start in 5 minutes. How many will Mr. Perez be on ? My guess is 0 - 1. But fear not. Pelosi or another will give a weak and entirely ineffective rebuttal. Messaging killed the Democrats and 75% said that is okay.

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    TJ Wrote:

    100% done. She could offer so much but the absolutely negative message on their agendas killed her. What did that get them ? Everything. You might hate Bob's loud car but it's only loud when it starts and that's every damned morning. We have no counter punch and thus we don't lead anywhere at all. Some want to blame Bernie Sanders. I blame the party who have put us into this (sarcasm) leadership role. Leading what ? Absolutely nothing and nobody. More of the same will get you exactly that. Nothing.

    If a Dem won in '20 she could do more in a cabinet position. Don't hold your breath.

    Sunday news magazines start in 5 minutes. How many will Mr. Perez be on ? My guess is 0 - 1. But fear not. Pelosi or another will give a weak and entirely ineffective rebuttal. Messaging killed the Democrats and 75% said that is okay.

    T.J. yes you got the picture; the "message" is something "other" than the GOP, but "what exactly?
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    Thanks to voters like me, who voted third party, there will be three parties included in the next election. The liberataian party won enough votes so that they are now a mainstream party.

    Elections really do have consequences so long as the electorate exersizes their right to vote.

    In the last election ,less than half of the electorate voted. Hillary inspired absolutely no one to vote. Dump lost by three million votes, that we know of .

    Bidden is not going to run. I don't know who is going to run as a democrat but I'm pretty sure the liberataian so will fielding a very strong candidate , possibly Bloomberg. Or some very strong republican , like Kasic.

    Also women will be voting in very significant numbers both in 18 and in 20. And they will be voting for the democrat. One electorate you never want to piss off is women. They never forget they never forgive and they always stick to their guns.

    Expect a woman to be on the ticket .

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    Maindawg Wrote:

    Thanks to voters like me, who voted third party, there will be three parties included in the next election. The liberataian party won enough votes so that they are now a mainstream party.

    Elections really do have consequences so long as the electorate exersizes their right to vote.

    In the last election ,less than half of the electorate voted. Hillary inspired absolutely no one to vote. Dump lost by three million votes, that we know of .

    Bidden is not going to run. I don't know who is going to run as a democrat but I'm pretty sure the liberataian so will fielding a very strong candidate , possibly Bloomberg. Or some very strong republican , like Kasic.

    Also women will be voting in very significant numbers both in 18 and in 20. And they will be voting for the democrat. One electorate you never want to piss off is women. They never forget they never forgive and they always stick to their guns.

    Expect a woman to be on the ticket .

    How many Libertarian Congressmen/women, Senators, or Governors do we currently have in the United States?

    I'll give you a hint. It's the only whole number less than 1 and greater than -1.


    Bloomberg is the furthest thing from a Libertarian I can possibly imagine.

    He has also already promised to spend $80 million of his own money to help Democratic politicians running for U.S. House in 2018. His stated goal is to have Democrats retake the lower chamber and be a check on Donald.

    And Kasic isn't close to being a Libertarian, either.

    The Libertarians will nominate another no-name fringe candidate who won't win a single state and won't even be in the same universe as the two major party candidates in 2020 in the same they way they have done in every Presidential election since 1972.

    My only hope is that Democrats don't have one of our own fringe candidates like we did with Jill Stein in '16 that siphon votes away from whoever the Democratic nominee is in 2020.

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    Fringe Candidates: yes, we in Wisconsin have at least two vying for the governor's office, who say they're aligned with running as democrats, one is unsure that he will and he might run as an Independent, yikes! I think the WDNC should close the tent flap on these types. One WI candidate when asked of her party affiliation said she was just going to be herself, um, okay, hopefully not as a democrat. Hopefully, these candidates wont smear campaign those honestly running as democrats. IMO, Libertarians should drop the lib out of their party name, they are anything but libs, short for liberal.

    We'd all like to see money taken out of politics, but the Koch Bros. dumped millions and millions of dollars into recent campaigns for libertarians and republicans.

    "David Hamilton Koch (/ko?k/; born May 3, 1940) is an American businessman, philanthropist, political activist, and chemical engineer. He joined the family business Koch Industries, the second-largest privately held company in the United States, in 1970. He became president of the subsidiary Koch Engineering in 1979, and became a co-owner of Koch Industries, with older brother Charles, in 1983, and served as an executive vice president until his retirement in 2018.[5] Upon retirement in June 2018 due to health issues, Koch received the title of Director Emeritus. Koch is an influential libertarian. He was the 1980 candidate for Vice President of the United States from the United States Libertarian Party and helped finance the campaign."

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koch

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    TJ Wrote:

    100% done. She could offer so much but the absolutely negative message on their agendas killed her. What did that get them ? Everything. You might hate Bob's loud car but it's only loud when it starts and that's every damned morning. We have no counter punch and thus we don't lead anywhere at all. Some want to blame Bernie Sanders. I blame the party who have put us into this (sarcasm) leadership role. Leading what ? Absolutely nothing and nobody. More of the same will get you exactly that. Nothing.

    If a Dem won in '20 she could do more in a cabinet position. Don't hold your breath.

    Sunday news magazines start in 5 minutes. How many will Mr. Perez be on ? My guess is 0 - 1. But fear not. Pelosi or another will give a weak and entirely ineffective rebuttal. Messaging killed the Democrats and 75% said that is okay.

    The Democratic party needs to coalesce around one simple solution. "Lots of good paying jobs". The path to good paying jobs will rectify all that is wrong with the country. What is stopping a jobs party from getting good paying jobs? Are the people that are doing good too narrow minded to see that improving the status of the working class will elevate everybody??? Lots of good paying jobs would require the financial system to be regulated back to value based on earnings and production instead of gambling. One Democratic message will win elections --- "Lots of good paying jobs". Trump proved the concept will win an election. Now winning an election with the right person is the solution.

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    Chet, you always mention "good paying jobs". Sorry but that does not make a country great. There are plenty of things you need to make a country run properly. In China they think may be that they have "good paying jobs" ; it has no effect on world politics. The Mexican roofers who fixed my house were likely paid $12.- an hour or less; so you call that "an good paying job". In the meantime they pay an basketball player $154 million; while he"produces" nothing at all. No Chet, this is an weird country related to wages. Yes, being in the White House that is an good paying job if you can rip off everyone in the country and beyond just by opening your mouth, while he can't even write/read or put a screw into the wall.
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    "You have to put money in the hands of people that will spend it".

    The below is from:

    newstatesman.com/business/2013/10/give-...

    "The problem arises from the fact that if you give wealthy people more money they don’t necessarily spend it – it becomes dormant and redundant. Give a poor person an extra £10 and they will spend it

    So in many respects the inequality of the distribution of wealth is not so much about "fairness" or venality, but more that the concentration of too much money into too few hands leads to economic stagnation adding to an already sub-par economic atmosphere."

    End of above article.

    Money was created to facilitate the trading of goods and services . Concentrating money into stagnating hoarding kills an economy. Money must be spent to create jobs and prosperity .

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    "You have to put money in the hands of people that will spend it".

    The below is from:

    newstatesman.com/business/2013/10/give-...

    "The problem arises from the fact that if you give wealthy people more money they don’t necessarily spend it – it becomes dormant and redundant. Give a poor person an extra £10 and they will spend it

    So in many respects the inequality of the distribution of wealth is not so much about "fairness" or venality, but more that the concentration of too much money into too few hands leads to economic stagnation adding to an already sub-par economic atmosphere."

    End of above article.

    Money was created to facilitate the trading of goods and services . Concentrating money into stagnating hoarding kills an economy. Money must be spent to create jobs and prosperity .

    Chet your subject was "good paying jobs"; now you talk about totally something else (hoarding money) so I don't get what you want.
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    The libertarian party will be on the ballot in all 50 states in this election. There are about 169 libertaians holding office currently in the USA. The libertarian party will get matching campaign funds from the federal election commission. They will have to be included in the debates also. The Koch's will be pouring a billion dollars into the party . I don't know who they will run. But they will run a very high profile candidate who will be well funded.

    Since one year ago , I have read that some 23% of Republicans no longer identify as Republicans . That's almost a quarter of the party . By November ,they way things are going the republican party will be down to about 25,000,000 voters. Couple that with the likely hood that some 10 to 15 million new voters will participate and you have a dynamic that means the republican party itself will be a third party.

    I believe the current idiots running the republican party are rapidly destroying it. Any conservative with a brain is abandoning the insanity and the cruelty that has gripped the party.

    Meuller will release his report by September , that will create a shit storm America has never experienced before. There will be civil unrest as the people will be justifyably outraged. The economy may collapse due to the idiotic policies these criminals are persuing.