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  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-06-28 11:15:41 AM
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    New Harvard CAPS/Harris June poll:

    "Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton top 2020 Democratic presidential candidates in new poll"

    amp.usatoday.com/amp/740370002

    Bernie is third with Warren 4th. Percentage distribution: Biden 32, Hillary 18, Sanders 16, Warren 10.

    2 points between Hillary and Bernie. Nice guy Biden at 32 points but I don't think he has his heart in it. The other three start out wanting to be President. He had/has to be talked into it. I think he was picked to offer a safe haven for Hillary supporters. If Biden ran, what would he run on? Debates would be tough because differentiating between Biden and Hillary would detract from both of them because they would have to aquiesce to Obama. So I don't think Biden and Hillary would both run. Hillary would probably be the candidate. The Democratic debates would be tough because it would focus on Trump and not each other. Who best to beat Trump would be the challenge. How would Biden's support be divided?

  • wwjd
    2018-06-28 11:45:17 AM
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    Bidden stepped aside for HC in 2016. She won't challenge him it he decides to run. They already made that deal.

    Bidden + Bernie

    or

    Bidden + Younger Popular progressive that, like Obama, captures 18-35 voters.

    Bidden has the ability and background to steal away trump voters that he can win in many states that were close in 2016.

    IMO, HC + Bernie would have easily beat trump in 2016.

  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-06-28 01:23:25 PM
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    wwjd said:

    "IMO, HC + Bernie would have easily beat trump in 2016."

    Hillary would have one from anyone of a thousand minor changes.

  • Dutch
    2018-06-28 01:26:39 PM
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    Sorry we need some "new" blood; not this one:

    https://www.facebook.com/JungleVT/videos/816545225184829/

  • jaredsxtn
    2018-06-28 02:36:54 PM
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    I'd love to see Biden run. He should have run in 2016 and I'm sure he regrets that decision now.

    There is little to zero chance that Hillary will run again, so Bernie or busters can rest easy.

    My hope is that Biden runs, but there are plenty of other people I'd love to see throw their hat in the ring.

    I'm a fan of Senators Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar, Jeff Merkley, Ron Wydan (sorry - Oregon bias there), and Sheldon Whitehouse. I'm on the fence with Senator Warren because I can easily foresee another nasty "us vs them" battle if she ran and lost the nomination.

    I also don't think that the only people we should be paying attention to are U.S. Senators.

    There are numerous governors I like. California Governor Jerry Brown (although ageism would rear its ugly head with him) is one of my political heroes and a liberal icon who turned California into the progressive bastion it is today. Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper is another governor I look up to. I'm a huge fan of my current Governor, Kate Brown, but she's never once insinuated that she's interested in national politics.

    We also shouldn't count mayors of some of our biggest cities out, either. Mayors are the most important position in our nations political structure. They are on the front lines and have a different perspective of how politics works than Senators and Governors do.

    So I would pay attention to Eric Garcetti of Los Angeles, Bill deBlasio of New York City, and Rahm Emanuel of Chicago. Even if they don't run for President, I wouldn't be surprised if whoever the Democratic nominee gets creative in picking their running mate.

    As you can see - there are plenty of supremely qualified Democratic politicians to run for President.

    However, I'm more focused on November 6, 2018 right now. Let's start thinking about who can run against Donald after November. We need to be focusing all of our energy on retaking the House and Senate. Our next nominee can wait.

  • Dutch
    2018-06-28 03:17:09 PM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    I'd love to see Biden run. He should have run in 2016 and I'm sure he regrets that decision now.

    There is little to zero chance that Hillary will run again, so Bernie or busters can rest easy.

    My hope is that Biden runs, but there are plenty of other people I'd love to see throw their hat in the ring.

    I'm a fan of Senators Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar, Jeff Merkley, Ron Wydan (sorry - Oregon bias there), and Sheldon Whitehouse. I'm on the fence with Senator Warren because I can easily foresee another nasty "us vs them" battle if she ran and lost the nomination.

    I also don't think that the only people we should be paying attention to are U.S. Senators.

    There are numerous governors I like. California Governor Jerry Brown (although ageism would rear its ugly head with him) is one of my political heroes and a liberal icon who turned California into the progressive bastion it is today. Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper is another governor I look up to. I'm a huge fan of my current Governor, Kate Brown, but she's never once insinuated that she's interested in national politics.

    We also shouldn't count mayors of some of our biggest cities out, either. Mayors are the most important position in our nations political structure. They are on the front lines and have a different perspective of how politics works than Senators and Governors do.

    So I would pay attention to Eric Garcetti of Los Angeles, Bill deBlasio of New York City, and Rahm Emanuel of Chicago. Even if they don't run for President, I wouldn't be surprised if whoever the Democratic nominee gets creative in picking their running mate.

    As you can see - there are plenty of supremely qualified Democratic politicians to run for President.

    However, I'm more focused on November 6, 2018 right now. Let's start thinking about who can run against Donald after November. We need to be focusing all of our energy on retaking the House and Senate. Our next nominee can wait.

    No Jared; Biden is way too "nice" he will loose just like Hillary, against a "bully" like Trump. We need some "fresh" dynamic person, who understands types like Trump and can motivate. But yeah, none of the people on your list have come forward, so I wonder; time flies, so something has to happen to get the Dem's motivated under a new great leader. For the DNC, Perez is an disaster as far as I can see to get things done in time.
  • jaredsxtn
    2018-06-28 03:27:57 PM
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    Dutch Wrote: No Jared; Biden is way too "nice" he will loose just like Hillary, against a "bully" like Trump. We need some "fresh" dynamic person, who understands types like Trump and can motivate.

    What's wrong with being empathetic? I don't consider that a mark against someone.

    Dutch Wrote: But yeah, none the people on your list have come forward, so I wonder; time flies, so something has to happen to get the Dem's motivated under a new great leader. For the DNC, Perez is an disaster as far as I can see to get things done in time.

    I'm a little confused. You want Democrats to start the Presidential nomination process now?! It's June 2018 man! Let's focus on the midterm elections first. Then we can start fighting among ourselves over who our next Presidential nominee should be.

    Perez is doing just fine. You (and so many other left leaning individuals) place the DNC on this gold and diamond encrusted pedestal and have convinced yourselves that they have far more power than they actually do. There's not some vast conspiracy at the DNC to subvert the will of the common Democratic voter.

    Perez can't get "things done in time" because that's NOT HIS JOB! He has zero - literally zero - legislative powers. He also has to walk a tight rope of not pissing off the Bernie or busters while at the same time making sure rationally minded left of center people don't flee because they can't stand the Bernie or busters who have hijacked the Democratic Party.

  • Dutch
    2018-06-28 05:28:49 PM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: No Jared; Biden is way too "nice" he will loose just like Hillary, against a "bully" like Trump. We need some "fresh" dynamic person, who understands types like Trump and can motivate.

    What's wrong with being empathetic? I don't consider that a mark against someone.

    Dutch Wrote: But yeah, none the people on your list have come forward, so I wonder; time flies, so something has to happen to get the Dem's motivated under a new great leader. For the DNC, Perez is an disaster as far as I can see to get things done in time.

    I'm a little confused. You want Democrats to start the Presidential nomination process now?! It's June 2018 man! Let's focus on the midterm elections first. Then we can start fighting among ourselves over who our next Presidential nominee should be.

    Perez is doing just fine. You (and so many other left leaning individuals) place the DNC on this gold and diamond encrusted pedestal and have convinced yourselves that they have far more power than they actually do. There's not some vast conspiracy at the DNC to subvert the will of the common Democratic voter.

    Perez can't get "things done in time" because that's NOT HIS JOB! He has zero - literally zero - legislative powers. He also has to walk a tight rope of not pissing off the Bernie or busters while at the same time making sure rationally minded left of center people don't flee because they can't stand the Bernie or busters who have hijacked the Democratic Party.

    No Jared; indeed he has no "legislative" powers; however he should prepare everything to help the party "win" for a change. Which he's not doing.
  • wwjd
    2018-06-28 06:37:12 PM
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    Obama was smart in picking Biden, because Biden helped get the working class swing voters for Obama. Biden should do the same in picking a VP. He already has the upper hand in getting the working class voters (ie trump's base), he would benefit from a younger and\or minority VP. Corey Booker would be an example.

    Elizabeth Warren would be a high risk choice because she comes across as an always angry feminist. She can easily be framed as a woman who hates all men, can't identify with men, and will spend her time as VP being angry at men of all racists. She is helpful to the democratic party in being an attack dog on issues, but putting her on the national ticket she just becomes HC-The Sequel in terms of a political target. Give her a job an Democratic administration after the election, but never put her on the ticket. If I were in charge of creating political adds against her, I'd make her look the high strung wife that bullies and harasses her husband 24x7, implying she would be running the WH, not Joe Bidden.

  • TJ
    2018-06-28 07:51:17 PM
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    I have voted for president the last 36+ years. If my party doesn't make a better choice, I will stay home. I love Joe but think he's a poor choice. We have mastered this whole losing thing. Keep it up and stay as entirely insignificant as you are today. Here's an idea.... A Biden / Clinton ticket. Lmao. Don't forget it is electoral votes that matter. Maybe in 2024 we will have a new idea. Maybe not. Guess what Scotus will look like after a second term.
  • Chet Ruminski
    2018-06-28 08:21:03 PM
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    Says jaredsxtn: "There is little to zero chance that Hillary will run again, so Bernie or busters can rest easy."

    Hillary has a 1.2 billion dollar charge to payback. She had been presented as the next president and that got her the 1.2 billion. There is a lot of pressure pushing her to run again. And there is no negative talk coming from the billion dollar party goers.

    Ill bet "forget about it" is not the message coming from the people that built her bankroll.

  • TJ
    2018-06-28 09:47:45 PM
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    Chet it was hyperbole. Just not voting for either. Perhaps the party should develop a new thought and get a new candidate. There's plenty of time.
  • Dutch
    2018-06-29 09:04:02 AM
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    TJ Wrote: Chet it was hyperbole. Just not voting for either. Perhaps the party should develop a new thought and get a new candidate. There's plenty of time.
    T.J. Yes it is time for an dynamic well versed person; there must be someone "fresh" somewhere without "baggage"
  • jaredsxtn
    2018-06-29 12:23:17 PM
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    Dutch Wrote: No Jared; indeed he has no "legislative" powers; however he should prepare everything to help the party "win" for a change. Which he's not doing.

    He is, Dutch! He's going around the country getting solid candidates to run for public office.

    The DNC's sole job is to help get local, state, and Federal Democrats elected. They don't set policy; they raise money and then send that money to local, state, and Federal candidates throughout the fifty states. Certain candidates in certain states get more money for various reasons while other candidates in other states get less for various reasons.

    Party Platforms are as worthless as a $3 bill. When was the last time you talked to anyone who said "you know, I was going to vote for candidate A, but after carefully studying the DNC party platform, I decided to vote for candidate B?

    An on the fence voter in Florida isn't going to base their decision on whether to vote for Bill Nelson or Rick Scott after carefully studying each party's platform! Give me a break.

    We have to stop turning the DNC into something it isn't. They aren't this all powerful entity that can make or break elections. They simply help raise money and then give that money to candidates.

  • Dockadams
    2018-06-29 01:41:39 PM
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    2018 midterms will be a barometer on how well democrats will do in the 2020 presidential election. If democrats can win over the house or senate or both, that would be a leading indicator as to how much voters like Trump policies and his party of undecideds who haven't come out and said anything against their dear leader.

    Right now, the people who voted for Trump and republicans aren't too awful happy about the hurt being brought to their voters. Will Trump's economic policies of his trade war make people go democrat? Only time and his actions will tell.

    And forget about those polls and such, they didn't predict very accurately in 2016. The democratic platform? going ahead to 2020? should be whatever a candidate chooses at the time they hold election rallies. Voters in different locations have differing opinions as to what's important to them. The candidate needs to listen to what voters would like to see happen, and the candidate can go from there. Being a voter in Wisconsin, some issues are making sure people have access to affordable healthcare because Walker has all but gutted Medicare and Medicaid and our insurance premiums doubled since Trump took office, that would be one subject voters would like to see addressed.

    In recent days, a campaign rally was held for Trump at a groundbreaking ceremony in Mount Pleasant for Foxconn, Foxconn is going to receive $3B in tax incentives, while Harley Davidson is struggling. Does that make any sense at all? Why not give tax incentives and subsidies to HD so they keep their operations in the USA? Republicans sure have a funny way of making the economy move. If democrats were in charge here, HD would get subsidies and incentives to stay here. And preserve the machinists union at the same time, job preservation.

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